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To me i think getting abortion is right because if women keeping on getting raped and keeping the baby then popluation will grow and taxes will go higher and soon a can of pop will cost 5$

The woman deserves the right to abort or not, period.

but abortion is right and it should be free because you don't wanna a spent 10$ on a can or pop

uh what?

I dont know if abortion is 'right' but it should be up to the woman to matter what.
There are no good reasons for it to be otherwise.


No, The paper dosent make someone alive. But before the baby it born its not a person yet.

but then you are assuming that the being in the womb is not alive nor dead.
A person has a personality and etc, but what if you just met a person in a coma in a 3rd world country? What is the difference of that person and a growing embryo? (only knowing that the person is in a coma and nothing else)

The being in the womb grows, requires nurishment, and oxygen. Does this not give you enough evidence that it is a living growing being?
And if it if living, wouldn't ending the life of a living being be called, "killing".

So you are killing a living being, though it has no ability to think on its own, you are still killing it.

A birth certificate only states where and when you were born (and other stuff like id#, etc).

As far as im concerned its a person as soon as its born.


Im pretty sure it makes them legally alive, yes. Alive is kind of hard to define... technically my toe is alive, that bug i just stepped on was alive, animals are put to sleep and they were as much alive as anything else... its all just matter when you think about it.

To that coma thing:(my mouse is busted so i cant scroll down to quote)
They are similar to a certain degree but they are to different to make an accurate comparison, every thing works like this.

You could be aborting a really great person who may put an end to world hunger or something. That also goes the other way, you may be aborting the next hitler.

A hypothetical argument for a hypothetical question

it all adds up to nonsense

Its all about peoples opinions. No stabbing people for their own thoughts... even though everybody should think as 1 to unite the world and actually move forward in a technological sense... resistance is futile!


Edit: Also dont bash on hitler, Yes he was a big SOB, but remember how everybody united agaist his cause, technology went forward.
His actions were evil, but there are always the other side of the coin!

except maybe the war in iraq... you americans.....
i live in an igloo so im safe

back on topic, I stick to my original answer. The question is so broad, and the line is so thin, that any answer is wrong or right.
(neutral, like my country!)

They want to get an abortion to help themselves. I dont think what kind of person the baby might become is a big factor in the decision. They dont just get an abortion for the heck of it, its for a serious reason.

The problem with the concept of life is that it's an abstract term that humans have tried to apply to the world around them. Really, nothing is alive or dead, because matter is matter. We define "death" as basically when the regular functions of a "live" human body stop, such as brain activity, respiration, cell growth, and the loss of the ability to interact with other humans. We can't call the commencement of decomposition death, because our systems are constantly renewing damaged or decomposing tissue. It still happens when we're alive, but our body regenerates itself. Really, the terms life and death have no meaning except that which we want them to have. Anyone can interpret life as anything they want. So what if certain religions believe that life begins at conception? Technically we're all just matter, living or dead. It sometimes makes me wonder why killing people is such a huge crime - you're just preventing their brain's electrical imulses from firing.

I think that before we go any further in this discussion we should decide what version of the word "life" we're going to accept - is each and every human cell alive? What about all of the sperm that don't make it to an egg cell to concieve? Is that homicide? What if we just decided that there is no life or death, just matter? There are too many questions and too many ways to interpret the situation, and no one person has all (or any) of the right answers. I guess it should be up to the pregnant person who's considering having an abortion whether or not her fetus is a human being. But whatever she decides, no one else has the right to make the decision for her.

hilter was a brilliant man. he just applied it all the wrong way

But being alive is a scientific term, (see post above)

unless you dont believe in sciences.
GOoOOoo biology

Hitler wasnt smart really... in my opinion. He was very manipulative. And the people all conformed and agreed to his bable. Thats why he got them all agree that they are the supreme race. SO... he was Smart in a way to manipulate people, but it was the generals who were smart. The great tactictions ...lets use a word that you guys would like... Pwned the other countries.

Great strategies make great wars and will be remembered forever! FOREVER!
But we are not talking about Hitler.

His mother actually wanted to abort him, but didn't. Now you can use that for your topic. Begone!

Is some one on drugs?? And actually he was, as FireKame said he was a brilliant man, just applied in the wrong way. I should see if I can get the english version of his auto-biography..

lol i really like his part on abortion.


I think partial birth abortion is wrong. If your going to abort your child you should do it sooner, alot sooner. But I belive that abortion in the early stage is the womans decision.
You can't judge partial life even once the egg is fertalized it is common for it to be washed out during the womans peroid. Should we convict these woman as a murder? I think not.

Well thats all im going to say about the issue.

I know that. Hes an economic genius. Brang germany out of depression.

I was refering to the hitler that killed millions of people.

Hitler was never great. He lied to the public, he was racist, facist, killed millions, used people's instincts to help him kill more innocents, dominated the whole europe to start a war against the world. Which part was he brilliant?

Hitler was smarter than you all. Remember people always remember the bad things people did.

hitler did all these good things:
-Because of his insane power he was the main factor of why the great depression ended
-He heavily funded research leadin to jets, the atom bomb(the americans copied), stealth(they got a prototype), missle rockets and many more stuff.
-He revolutionized military tactics using blitzkrieg
-He was against communism

yes, i agree that hitler was a great person doing a lot of bad things and good things... but didnt i just say that the topic wasnt about hitler

You cannot abort a person and know what type of person he/she will end up as because it is implausable to know how one will turn out. (going back on topic)

if they dont want the baby u shoudnt kill it.
you can just send it to an adoptoin place where some other family would want a child i mean come on i consider abortion murder thats my opinion so dont start
yelling at me

So u guys r saying by mudering all the jews hitler is a good man?

all those things you list are bad exept maybe the economic thing but that wasnt worth the killing of millions.

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I think abortions are just plain wrong, just think, you get in deep trouble for killing a man. But you still kill a living being with abortions, so I say, live with it, if you were stupid enough to get pregnant (You know, if you didn't mean too), then you should deal with it, not kill a person.

Is it just me, or do I always seem to put an end to topics, just cause of my plainess, or something?

Some Christians believe that life begins at conception, and if you kill the embryo, you kill the life.

I think that life begins as soon as a living being can think coherently, perhaps around week 16 of pregnancy. However, many women die in the process of childbirth in underdeveloped states, and an abortion is what could have saved them. But what's more important, the life of a mother or the life of a child?

You can't really put a price tag on these things.

From a man get h*rny and a innocent women is in his eyes, the man would go to a secude place and rapes the women. The man might plant a seed to the womens egg if the women is still in her menopause state. The women will get pregnant and the women will likely to get an abortion. If abortion was illegal like back in the days. Women would go to "real" doctors to get their babys aborted, some times the doctor is fake and would let the women bleed to death while under surgery. So, law makers made abortion legal in the U.S. Without Abortion, alot of women would give birth to the unwanted babys.