Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-08-23 at 01:59:07
Well if you want to bring Christianity into it. The Bible says homosexuality is a sin, and marrige is a sacred vow between a man and woman.
I never said it was a learned trait. Its about influence, your parents are the biggest influence on a childs life whether you want to believe it or not. So its only natural that 2 homosexual parents will more than likely have some influence on the child in its choice of sexuality.
Because everyone's personal "right" and "wrong" makes up a general whole, which we call society. And itsnt it society that judges us whether we like it or not ? The Goverment also happens to be in society, so if nothing else but by sheer numbers society feels something is wrong it is labeled that. Just like society/goverment thinks on the majority feel that marijuana is "wrong" so thus there are laws against it.
S no it really doesnt matter what someone individual feelings toward right or wrong mean but since we all have to live in society we have to accept certain things.
I never said it was a learned trait. Its about influence, your parents are the biggest influence on a childs life whether you want to believe it or not. So its only natural that 2 homosexual parents will more than likely have some influence on the child in its choice of sexuality.
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Society only exists because of progress and change, otherwise we'd be in the stone age. What gives anyone the right to make the decision to stop society from evolving and changing?
This whole "right or wrong" concept that people keep bringing up pisses me off. What makes people think that their concept of right and wrong applies to everyone?Because everyone's personal "right" and "wrong" makes up a general whole, which we call society. And itsnt it society that judges us whether we like it or not ? The Goverment also happens to be in society, so if nothing else but by sheer numbers society feels something is wrong it is labeled that. Just like society/goverment thinks on the majority feel that marijuana is "wrong" so thus there are laws against it.
S no it really doesnt matter what someone individual feelings toward right or wrong mean but since we all have to live in society we have to accept certain things.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2004-08-23 at 02:10:44
Except the problem with that reasoning is that the general whole doesn't serve the needs of the few who are being discriminated against. Let's take a hypothetical situation, here. Let's say that we're living in a society made up of 60% Christians and 40% Jews. What if the Christian majority suddenly decided to kill all the Jews? Would they just go with it and join in because you they had to "accept it"? That's genocide. Pure democracy leads to discrimination, that's why we have a representative democracy. Take the Rwandan crisis in 1994 if you want a perfect example.
Can you really say that you would honestly prefer that these people not find happiness? Especially because (let's hit the Bible again) they're going to burn in hell no matter what? They might as well be happy on Earth. It's not your place to judge them. And taking away their rights as American citizens to the pursuit of happiness (as defined in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution or whatever) clearly violates the moral code of the society I live in. I can't speak for both of us, though.
Can you really say that you would honestly prefer that these people not find happiness? Especially because (let's hit the Bible again) they're going to burn in hell no matter what? They might as well be happy on Earth. It's not your place to judge them. And taking away their rights as American citizens to the pursuit of happiness (as defined in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution or whatever) clearly violates the moral code of the society I live in. I can't speak for both of us, though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-08-23 at 02:22:48
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Let's say that we're living in a society made up of 60% Christians and 40% Jews. What if the Christian majority suddenly decided to kill all the Jews? Would they just go with it and join in because you they had to "accept it"? That's genocide.
This very situation or one very similar happened many times in history. The nazi's were christian were they not. A similar thing happened in Russia somewhat around the same time. But to awnser your question yes they would go with it (like they did), it was either their life or the jews life. Not surprisingly people are uncaring and selfish when it comes to their own life.
Finding happiness does not have to have a marrige vow in there. There are many people in this country that do not believe in marrige at all. You do not need marrige to have happiness. But to go deeper with it there is no religon that truly allows a same-sex marrige. So even if homosexuals were granted the 'right' to have a marrige how much would it mean when there are not a lot of people outside the gay community that support it. For them It demorilizes the whole meaning of marrige and thus in some ways makes it a mockery. How can someone have happiness when what they hold dearly is not valued at all ?
If the process of marriage is legalized for same sex partners, but not endorsed by any religion, then doesn't that take away it's real meaning?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ent on 2004-08-23 at 08:44:56
I very mutch agree with nozumo, you said what i tried to say but my english wasnt good enough 
[qoute]Also, what's wrong with that?
If they end up having homosexual children, how does that hurt you?
They're different from the average person their age will be for their lives, and that hurts us how?[/quote]
very good point there, how does that hurt you?
[qoute]Also, what's wrong with that?
If they end up having homosexual children, how does that hurt you?
They're different from the average person their age will be for their lives, and that hurts us how?[/quote]
very good point there, how does that hurt you?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2004-08-23 at 10:46:35
Not all christians are extremists. I don't know whether or not I've said this, but I'll say it again:
If same-sex marriages are banned, then people who steal or lie should recieve the death sentence. What do you think of that?
If same-sex marriages are banned, then people who steal or lie should recieve the death sentence. What do you think of that?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by D3D_3ND on 2004-08-23 at 10:49:35
if we have same sex marriage there would not be babys, withouht babys there would be no kids, withouht kids there would be no people, without people there would not be future without Okay you get the point......
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Clokr_ on 2004-08-23 at 11:59:02
There was an article in a scientific magazine about same-sex loving, and it said that it happens because of some changes in the brain structure. I didnt read the article but I think that you can born with that changes, but they cant appear just because two gay men are raising you. Its just my though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tazzy on 2004-08-23 at 12:23:02
I cant see how a child growing up with 2 dads, will make the boy gay. Its something in the persons body that makes them like the same sex. So if you adopt a child from 10 years old upwords the kid wont turn out gay. or from a babys view i dont think he will turn out gay aswell, It something in the persons body. Thats what i heard.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2004-08-23 at 12:35:40
I have a friend with two moms and hes a pretty cool guy. Hes really open minded, and he is in no way unstable or anything of that sort. It all depends on how the child is raised, not by whom the child is raised.
To those who are against gays adopting kids:
Regardless of weather you agree with gay marriage, do you think that these kids are better off without parents than with same-sex parents?
The two scenarios arnt really analogous. Among other reasons, most people who want gay marriage banned believe it is a greater "sin" than simply lying or stealing (look at gorge bush, he lies all the time
). And you should also consider that most people who are want gay marriage banned also advocate the death penalty.
To those who are against gays adopting kids:
Regardless of weather you agree with gay marriage, do you think that these kids are better off without parents than with same-sex parents?
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If same-sex marriages are banned, then people who steal or lie should receive the death sentence. What do you think of that?
The two scenarios arnt really analogous. Among other reasons, most people who want gay marriage banned believe it is a greater "sin" than simply lying or stealing (look at gorge bush, he lies all the time
). And you should also consider that most people who are want gay marriage banned also advocate the death penalty.Report, edit, etc...Posted by ent on 2004-08-23 at 13:26:08
QUOTE(D3D_3ND @ Aug 23 2004, 04:49 PM)
if we have same sex marriage there would not be babys, withouht babys there would be no kids, withouht kids there would be no people, without people there would not be future without Okay you get the point......
thats one of the dumbest thing ive heard, its like if gay marriage are allowed normal marriage wont and then everyone is forced to be gay, its not like that at all you fool.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by D3D_3ND on 2004-08-23 at 13:44:38
QUOTE(ent @ Aug 23 2004, 12:26 PM)
QUOTE(D3D_3ND @ Aug 23 2004, 04:49 PM)
if we have same sex marriage there would not be babys, withouht babys there would be no kids, withouht kids there would be no people, without people there would not be future without Okay you get the point......
thats one of the dumbest thing ive heard, its like if gay marriage are allowed normal marriage wont and then everyone is forced to be gay, its not like that at all you fool.
ey you fool i make joke, joke not funny?ok
uhhh y chicken cross the road?
dunno..it's the chicken u should ask
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ent on 2004-08-23 at 13:55:35
well go joke i some joke thread
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2004-08-23 at 14:05:23
a while ago i was watching sum morning show i think it was springer 
but the show had this guy whose parents raised him as a girl so all his life he was taught to be a girl and he was dating this guy who didnt no the person he was dating wasnt really female so this might be nature vs nuture :\
but the show had this guy whose parents raised him as a girl so all his life he was taught to be a girl and he was dating this guy who didnt no the person he was dating wasnt really female so this might be nature vs nuture :\Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dark Templar on 2004-08-23 at 14:38:50
I have no problem with gay people. Anyone should be able to love whichever gender they wish, and not be afraid of being discriminated or persecuted.
I am fine with gay marriage as well. Gay people are also American citizens, their sexual preference should not take those rights as an American citizen away. And they should be entitled to the same rights as anyone else.
I am fine with gay marriage as well. Gay people are also American citizens, their sexual preference should not take those rights as an American citizen away. And they should be entitled to the same rights as anyone else.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by mobomojo on 2004-08-23 at 17:42:04
QUOTE(devilesk @ Aug 23 2004, 10:05 AM)
a while ago i was watching sum morning show i think it was springer but the show had this guy whose parents raised him as a girl so all his life he was taught to be a girl and he was dating this guy who didnt no the person he was dating wasnt really female so this might be nature vs nuture :\
but the show had this guy whose parents raised him as a girl so all his life he was taught to be a girl and he was dating this guy who didnt no the person he was dating wasnt really female so this might be nature vs nuture :\ Good point; environment and a kids surrounding does have a factor in future.
And to go into some other post's idea, I think it was said that gays are borne with that sexual orientation, and that it just takes a while for that to manifest itself.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shmeeps on 2004-08-23 at 18:49:51
Hmm, well the last time I checked, America was the land of freedom, and your entitled to life, liberty, and the persute of happiness. I'd stand with that on everything except for killings (IE Suicides, Abortions, Homicides, Animal killings, <all of those). So i say, if they want it, they can have it, no need to stop them, they'll still do it anyways.
Kinda applies here, you can say they can't be gay, but its not like they'll stop, its not like "Hey, Dubya says we can't be gay, lets go find us a girl-friend then!"
So, in conclusion, I say, let them do what makes them happy.
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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink
Kinda applies here, you can say they can't be gay, but its not like they'll stop, its not like "Hey, Dubya says we can't be gay, lets go find us a girl-friend then!"
So, in conclusion, I say, let them do what makes them happy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by feiteng on 2004-08-23 at 23:00:46
It's suprising that people here now so many "gay" people, if most of you are telling the truth, we're living in a very scary world. From something Nozumo said on the last page, if homosexuallity is a state of being along with good and bad. If everyone thought like you we can justify for killing and argue killing is a state of being. Face it we are born with a compelling idea of right or wrong, even savages have some sort of wrongness and rightness. If killing is wrong then by all means homosexuallity is wrong. We have laws for a reason, not just because someone says so. Face it I bet most of you think it's wrong which if killing is wrong then by all means ban same sex marriages.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2004-08-23 at 23:39:56
Alright, well, I, personally, don't like mayonnaise, which isn't 'natural'. I've never heard of mayonnaise occuring in nature.
BEcause it's neither natural, nor liked by me, and many other people, anyone who does like mayonnaise should be considered freak mistakes of nature that deserve to be ridiculed and considered lesser entities for all their lives.
Who's with me?
BEcause it's neither natural, nor liked by me, and many other people, anyone who does like mayonnaise should be considered freak mistakes of nature that deserve to be ridiculed and considered lesser entities for all their lives.
Who's with me?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2004-08-23 at 23:42:42
With ya all the day EzDay.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2004-08-24 at 00:39:39
QUOTE(feiteng @ Aug 23 2004, 11:00 PM)
From something Nozumo said on the last page, if homosexuallity is a state of being along with good and bad.
Actually, I think that I was saying that you can't apply good or bad to a permanent part of a person. Sexuality is something that all people have. You can't choose it, it just is what it is. Okay, let's use people who were born blind for an example. Is being blind "wrong"? Should they not be allowed to learn braille because it's not the "natural" or "societally-accepted" way of reading?
A homosexual is a homosexual just like a blind person is blind. No matter what, a gay person can't change their sexuality any more than a blind person can change how their eyes work. If you discriminate against homosexuals then you may as well discriminate against every person on Earth with a disability, or a different skin color, or a different diet.
The mayonnaise is a great analogy, EzDay, just thought I'd support you on that one.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-08-24 at 00:43:15
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,Aug 22 2004, 02:27 PM] Heck no same-sex marriages shouldn't adopt. It's just plain wierd. Same-sex can't have babies for a reason and for that reason they shouldn't get adoption.
2 gay men raising a boy... boy turns gay or both ways
If they raise a girl, girl will be a psycho
2 lesbians raising a girl... girl goes lesbian or both ways
If they raise a boy, boy goes both ways
It's just plain wierd, although it's their life and I'm not supposed to care...
Plain wierd having 2 fathers or 2 moms...
The child will have severe psychological damage and sexual mind damage because he/she don't know if gay/straight is right or wrong...
2 gay men raising a boy... boy turns gay or both ways
If they raise a girl, girl will be a psycho
2 lesbians raising a girl... girl goes lesbian or both ways
If they raise a boy, boy goes both ways
It's just plain wierd, although it's their life and I'm not supposed to care...
Plain wierd having 2 fathers or 2 moms...
The child will have severe psychological damage and sexual mind damage because he/she don't know if gay/straight is right or wrong...
I totally agree.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2004-08-24 at 01:22:44
most girls i know think gayness is erotic similar to the way many males think lesbianism (is that even a word? haha) is erotic. im my opinion being gay is gross but i got no problem with lesbians. yeah kinda sound like a sexist dont i?
<--- that guys gay
<--- that guys gayReport, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-08-24 at 01:26:13
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Sexuality is something that all people have. You can't choose it, it just is what it is.
People very much can choose to be homosexual or not. Just like someone could choose to like apples over oranges. Though this is not true for all homosexuals, there are some people that are just flat out born gay. It has to do with brain chemistry.
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I cant see how a child growing up with 2 dads, will make the boy gay. Its something in the persons body that makes them like the same sex. So if you adopt a child from 10 years old upwords the kid wont turn out gay. or from a babys view i dont think he will turn out gay aswell, It something in the persons body. Thats what i heard.
Adopting a child from at least 10 years of age is somewhat different. Its different because they have already had many other outside influences. But as the famous pyschologist Sigmund Freud says its your parents that have the biggest impact on your life. A child looks up to his or her parents, when young they want to be just like them, they mimic behavoir. Simply put a child raised in a gay houshold will have a much greater chance at becoming homosexual him or herself.
Its just like a child raised in a heterosexual household has a much greater chance of becoming straight. Because the child has a heterosexual influence.
Female homosexuality will always be more accepted than two males. Like Shadow stated its about eroticism (i dont think thats a word), girls/women are naturally more erotic. They tend to spend more time together ect ect. Now two guys together, thats just nasty.
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2 lesbians raising a girl... girl goes lesbian or both ways
If they raise a boy, boy goes both ways
If they raise a boy, boy goes both ways
Not necisarily, weve all had the misfortune of seeing our parents kiss or show somw kind of affection. (like I said kids mimic behavoir) A boy seeing his two mother kiss wont really influence him to be gay, same with a girl seeing hew two mothers kiss.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2004-08-24 at 06:27:35
Unheterosexualness isn't right.
All of you have forgotten the real meaning of life. That is to reproduce.
Billions of years ago when life started out as little tiny bacteria, the male bacteria looked for the female bacteria and they humped each other and made more bacteria. Sure, there were a few male bacteria that accidentally humped on other male bacteria. But they soon realized that that hole is way too small for that thing to fit in and it didn't work out.
The meaning of life is like a key in a keyhole. The key representing a male and the keyhole representing a female. If you stick the key in the keyhole it unlocks the door and you can proceed through the door. But if you get all screwed up and try to stick two keys together or two key holes, it just doesn't work.
Unheterosexuals adopting their special love children are screwed up in the head. If they really care for that child, they would leave them to be raised by heterosexual parents. Like Helios said, "Adopting a child from at least 10 years of age is somewhat different. Its different because they have already had many other outside influences. But as the famous pyschologist Sigmund Freud says its your parents that have the biggest impact on your life. A child looks up to his or her parents, when young they want to be just like them, they mimic behavoir. Simply put a child raised in a gay houshold will have a much greater chance at becoming homosexual him or herself." A few of you say that the kid could make his own decisions when he should, that's wrong. It's completely different when you are raised differently. What you learn when you are little is how you view life. A way you can raise a child to screw him up really bad by, for example, teaching him that pain is good and laughing is evil. Or if you leave a kid in a room and only feed him daily, keep him secluded from the world with no outside contact ever, don't even talk to him, that kid would be screwed up.
The real question is why do many of you support something that isn't right? Unheterosexualness is wrong and it creates more problems than society needs. If you support it, I dislike you more than I already did.
(Sorry about my weird examples. Look what time this is posted at.)
All of you have forgotten the real meaning of life. That is to reproduce.
Billions of years ago when life started out as little tiny bacteria, the male bacteria looked for the female bacteria and they humped each other and made more bacteria. Sure, there were a few male bacteria that accidentally humped on other male bacteria. But they soon realized that that hole is way too small for that thing to fit in and it didn't work out.
The meaning of life is like a key in a keyhole. The key representing a male and the keyhole representing a female. If you stick the key in the keyhole it unlocks the door and you can proceed through the door. But if you get all screwed up and try to stick two keys together or two key holes, it just doesn't work.
Unheterosexuals adopting their special love children are screwed up in the head. If they really care for that child, they would leave them to be raised by heterosexual parents. Like Helios said, "Adopting a child from at least 10 years of age is somewhat different. Its different because they have already had many other outside influences. But as the famous pyschologist Sigmund Freud says its your parents that have the biggest impact on your life. A child looks up to his or her parents, when young they want to be just like them, they mimic behavoir. Simply put a child raised in a gay houshold will have a much greater chance at becoming homosexual him or herself." A few of you say that the kid could make his own decisions when he should, that's wrong. It's completely different when you are raised differently. What you learn when you are little is how you view life. A way you can raise a child to screw him up really bad by, for example, teaching him that pain is good and laughing is evil. Or if you leave a kid in a room and only feed him daily, keep him secluded from the world with no outside contact ever, don't even talk to him, that kid would be screwed up.
The real question is why do many of you support something that isn't right? Unheterosexualness is wrong and it creates more problems than society needs. If you support it, I dislike you more than I already did.
(Sorry about my weird examples. Look what time this is posted at.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ent on 2004-08-24 at 10:23:05
QUOTE(`BiG~kAhOoNa` @ Aug 24 2004, 12:27 PM)
Unheterosexualness isn't right.
All of you have forgotten the real meaning of life. That is to reproduce.
Billions of years ago when life started out as little tiny bacteria, the male bacteria looked for the female bacteria and they humped each other and made more bacteria. Sure, there were a few male bacteria that accidentally humped on other male bacteria. But they soon realized that that hole is way too small for that thing to fit in and it didn't work out.
The meaning of life is like a key in a keyhole. The key representing a male and the keyhole representing a female. If you stick the key in the keyhole it unlocks the door and you can proceed through the door. But if you get all screwed up and try to stick two keys together or two key holes, it just doesn't work.
Unheterosexuals adopting their special love children are screwed up in the head. If they really care for that child, they would leave them to be raised by heterosexual parents. Like Helios said, "Adopting a child from at least 10 years of age is somewhat different. Its different because they have already had many other outside influences. But as the famous pyschologist Sigmund Freud says its your parents that have the biggest impact on your life. A child looks up to his or her parents, when young they want to be just like them, they mimic behavoir. Simply put a child raised in a gay houshold will have a much greater chance at becoming homosexual him or herself." A few of you say that the kid could make his own decisions when he should, that's wrong. It's completely different when you are raised differently. What you learn when you are little is how you view life. A way you can raise a child to screw him up really bad by, for example, teaching him that pain is good and laughing is evil. Or if you leave a kid in a room and only feed him daily, keep him secluded from the world with no outside contact ever, don't even talk to him, that kid would be screwed up.
The real question is why do many of you support something that isn't right? Unheterosexualness is wrong and it creates more problems than society needs. If you support it, I dislike you more than I already did.
(Sorry about my weird examples. Look what time this is posted at.)
All of you have forgotten the real meaning of life. That is to reproduce.
Billions of years ago when life started out as little tiny bacteria, the male bacteria looked for the female bacteria and they humped each other and made more bacteria. Sure, there were a few male bacteria that accidentally humped on other male bacteria. But they soon realized that that hole is way too small for that thing to fit in and it didn't work out.
The meaning of life is like a key in a keyhole. The key representing a male and the keyhole representing a female. If you stick the key in the keyhole it unlocks the door and you can proceed through the door. But if you get all screwed up and try to stick two keys together or two key holes, it just doesn't work.
Unheterosexuals adopting their special love children are screwed up in the head. If they really care for that child, they would leave them to be raised by heterosexual parents. Like Helios said, "Adopting a child from at least 10 years of age is somewhat different. Its different because they have already had many other outside influences. But as the famous pyschologist Sigmund Freud says its your parents that have the biggest impact on your life. A child looks up to his or her parents, when young they want to be just like them, they mimic behavoir. Simply put a child raised in a gay houshold will have a much greater chance at becoming homosexual him or herself." A few of you say that the kid could make his own decisions when he should, that's wrong. It's completely different when you are raised differently. What you learn when you are little is how you view life. A way you can raise a child to screw him up really bad by, for example, teaching him that pain is good and laughing is evil. Or if you leave a kid in a room and only feed him daily, keep him secluded from the world with no outside contact ever, don't even talk to him, that kid would be screwed up.
The real question is why do many of you support something that isn't right? Unheterosexualness is wrong and it creates more problems than society needs. If you support it, I dislike you more than I already did.
(Sorry about my weird examples. Look what time this is posted at.)
bah thats all wrong... and the first bacterias probably didnt hump eathcother, they probably cloned themself
anyway tell me what problems it will create in society.