Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zergling[SK] on 2004-10-05 at 13:11:32
Emotions? 
ADDITION: Emotions are an abstract concept, so it is really quite impossible to bring them into and describe them by judging them by concrete physical aspects. Emotions are more of a reaction, the effect of a cause. Of course physical elements influence general emotions, but not to the point where we can adequetaly define them. Anger, Happiness, Trust, Loyalty, Depression....all of these are real enough to cause life changes and extreme physical reactions. So how could it not be real when the effect of it has such influence.
ADDITION: Emotions are an abstract concept, so it is really quite impossible to bring them into and describe them by judging them by concrete physical aspects. Emotions are more of a reaction, the effect of a cause. Of course physical elements influence general emotions, but not to the point where we can adequetaly define them. Anger, Happiness, Trust, Loyalty, Depression....all of these are real enough to cause life changes and extreme physical reactions. So how could it not be real when the effect of it has such influence.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2004-10-07 at 22:41:37
The book The Giver has a lot to do with emotions and stuff
If there were no emotions we would be dull and boring...
If there were no emotions we would be dull and boring...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by -black-death- on 2004-10-10 at 03:40:11
Emotions are very real. Just as real as the keyboard I'm typing on and just as real as the monitor you're looking at.
I say this because I think everything is created by your brain. Whether something is real or not cannot be determined. What can be determined is that everything is the same. Everything is a thought.
Let's analyze the definition of emotion (dictionary.com):
I don't like the use of the word spontaneously because it makes it sound as if emotions have no cause. This is usually not the case. But I think it is a fair definition other than that.
I think that this definition also applies to 'matter'. Is matter anything more than what we think it is?
Let's analyze our monitors. But instead of looking at it, close your eyes (I do not suggest trying to read this post with your eyes closed). Without using any of your senses, you still know the monitor exists. But it is nothing more than a thought, a memory. Yes, the matter is still there, but that is not important. It does not make it any more real than emotion, which has no substance (unless you say the chemicals in your brain are emotions).
Pretend that nobody had senses at all. Without all our senses, we are simply entities of thought in a void. We are emotion. In this world, emotions would be the most real things we know. They would be the only things we know.
I just realized how closely this is related to the buddhist idea of enlightenment. Buddhists (traditional) believe that enlightenment is "The Wisdom of Emptiness". Enlightenment is realizing that nothing exists.
Existance contradicts itself. Is existance not dependent on the idea of creation? Bah, I already wrote an article about this at my (retired) personal website.
I'll expand upon this.
What would you say to a blind person asking what colors are? What would you say to a deaf person asking what sounds are like?
It is impossible to explain it because sounds, tastes, colors, etc are just thoughts and nothing more.
So, in my opinion, we are all (metaphorical) blind people who are trying to comprehend color.
If we were all blind color wouldn't exist.
Ugh, I'm talking myself into loops.
I'll try to sum up everything I just said:
Physical Things are given their existance through thought. Without thought nothing would exist - to us. If something existed, it may as well not exist because we can't comprehend it.
Emotions are a sub-section of our thoughts.
Physical things are a subsection of our thoughts.
So, in my opinion, anything we can imagine exists, it just takes different forms, so intangible.
If you read all of that then you get a gold star:
b.d
I say this because I think everything is created by your brain. Whether something is real or not cannot be determined. What can be determined is that everything is the same. Everything is a thought.
Let's analyze the definition of emotion (dictionary.com):
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A mental state that arises spontaneously rather than through conscious effort
I don't like the use of the word spontaneously because it makes it sound as if emotions have no cause. This is usually not the case. But I think it is a fair definition other than that.
I think that this definition also applies to 'matter'. Is matter anything more than what we think it is?
Let's analyze our monitors. But instead of looking at it, close your eyes (I do not suggest trying to read this post with your eyes closed). Without using any of your senses, you still know the monitor exists. But it is nothing more than a thought, a memory. Yes, the matter is still there, but that is not important. It does not make it any more real than emotion, which has no substance (unless you say the chemicals in your brain are emotions).
Pretend that nobody had senses at all. Without all our senses, we are simply entities of thought in a void. We are emotion. In this world, emotions would be the most real things we know. They would be the only things we know.
I just realized how closely this is related to the buddhist idea of enlightenment. Buddhists (traditional) believe that enlightenment is "The Wisdom of Emptiness". Enlightenment is realizing that nothing exists.
Existance contradicts itself. Is existance not dependent on the idea of creation? Bah, I already wrote an article about this at my (retired) personal website.
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The creator of everything cannot be fully comprehended by humans because our thoughts are so heavily dependent on ‘existence.’ A search for why we and the natural world exist is a major part of religion in general. But existence is a paradox; even if we found out who/what the ‘true’ God is, our dependence on existence would cause us to seek out who created that entity. This cycle would go on into eternity unless our dependence on existence is broken.
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One analogy I’ve heard (in church, actually, to describe something else) is that trying to think about something existing without it being created by something is like explaining a sphere to a circle. A circle just would not understand or comprehend three dimensions. Another similar analogy is trying to explain what colors are to a blind person. Go ahead – think about it… What would you tell the blind person? I think explaining the existence of the first object – be it God, the first organisms, the solar system and everything in it, etc – would be like explaining a sphere to a circle, or colors to a blind person. We cannot comprehend it because our dependence on what reality teaches us is too great. So, in my opinion, any religion that relies on creation as a reason for our existence is wrong. Well, not necessarily. If Christianity is true, and God created us, then that is fine. Things are created all the time. I am creating text on a word document right now. But where did God come from? Why doesn’t the Bible explain that?
I'll expand upon this.
What would you say to a blind person asking what colors are? What would you say to a deaf person asking what sounds are like?
It is impossible to explain it because sounds, tastes, colors, etc are just thoughts and nothing more.
So, in my opinion, we are all (metaphorical) blind people who are trying to comprehend color.
If we were all blind color wouldn't exist.
Ugh, I'm talking myself into loops.
I'll try to sum up everything I just said:
Physical Things are given their existance through thought. Without thought nothing would exist - to us. If something existed, it may as well not exist because we can't comprehend it.
Emotions are a sub-section of our thoughts.
Physical things are a subsection of our thoughts.
So, in my opinion, anything we can imagine exists, it just takes different forms, so intangible.
If you read all of that then you get a gold star:
b.d
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SaLaCiouS(U) on 2004-10-10 at 09:33:44
I can't believe this topic is still ... going on. I for one have expierenced many emotions in my life. Bingo, emotions are real. If anyone here has never expierenced an emotion in their life before, then that person is wierd. Ok, maybe we're all just hooked up to some giant computer called the Matrix and our "emotions" are being forced unto us, but that's insane and stupid. There are many "philosophical" types of ways you can argue that emotions don't exist, like saying "are we really here at all?" but that's just stupid.
In conclusion, you are dumb.
In conclusion, you are dumb.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by T.s.u.k.a.s.a on 2004-10-10 at 15:41:42
I have done some research into the matter (not much). Everything is energy. Energy: moving particles. Emotions are energy. I figured out how to make emotions take on a more tangible form. I used psionics. Since I'm a begginer at psionics, I tried out the most basic techneque, the psiball. I WILL NOT POST UP LINKS TO WEBSITES TEACHING PSIONICS for variouse reasons. (Note: Psiballs are invisible most of the time. It takes a great deal of time and effort to create a visible psiball for a begginer. So, there would be no point in posting up a picture of me with my hands near each other.)
My attempts at a psiball:
1st: I was very excited. The psiball grew quickly and moved quickly. It was easy to focus and enlarge it but hard to control it.
2nd: I created a psiball without feeling any emotions. All I felt was the ball pushing on my hands. It grew at a normal speed and was relatively easy to handle. It felt a little cool (meaning temperature).
3rd: I was very happy. The psiball grew normally and was easy to handle but it was very hot. One minute after forming the ball, my hands were pouring out sweat. It kept getting hotter because I kept getting happier due to my succes. I eventually could not bear the heat and had to let the ball go and disintegrate. It had a little bit of color, but no one was around to take a picture, and I didn't have a camera. Even if I did, I would need both hands for the ball. You'll just have to trust me.
Starcraft if real. It is electronic signals going through you computer, light coming from you screen, and data in the memory banks, motherboard, etc.
In conclusion:
1. Everything is real because it is made up of energy.
That means if you had a dream that Freddie Crougar tried to kill you but, you woke up before he did, Freddie Crougar is real, to an extent. He is real in the person's mind.
2. Psionics make emotions more tangible.
My attempts at a psiball:
1st: I was very excited. The psiball grew quickly and moved quickly. It was easy to focus and enlarge it but hard to control it.
2nd: I created a psiball without feeling any emotions. All I felt was the ball pushing on my hands. It grew at a normal speed and was relatively easy to handle. It felt a little cool (meaning temperature).
3rd: I was very happy. The psiball grew normally and was easy to handle but it was very hot. One minute after forming the ball, my hands were pouring out sweat. It kept getting hotter because I kept getting happier due to my succes. I eventually could not bear the heat and had to let the ball go and disintegrate. It had a little bit of color, but no one was around to take a picture, and I didn't have a camera. Even if I did, I would need both hands for the ball. You'll just have to trust me.
Starcraft if real. It is electronic signals going through you computer, light coming from you screen, and data in the memory banks, motherboard, etc.
In conclusion:
1. Everything is real because it is made up of energy.
That means if you had a dream that Freddie Crougar tried to kill you but, you woke up before he did, Freddie Crougar is real, to an extent. He is real in the person's mind.
2. Psionics make emotions more tangible.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The Black Hydralisk on 2004-10-18 at 18:12:20
well thats cool and all...but whats psionics anyway 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2004-10-18 at 19:55:39
What if:
Life is only as you imagine it, so everyone I'm talking to is in my imagination, and then I'll imagine a reply of someone going: "I think I'm real."
But then, I guess I'm talking to myself, or at least my subconcious.
Life is only as you imagine it, so everyone I'm talking to is in my imagination, and then I'll imagine a reply of someone going: "I think I'm real."
But then, I guess I'm talking to myself, or at least my subconcious.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Foamy on 2004-10-21 at 19:18:58
QUOTE(isolatedpurity @ Sep 29 2004, 03:25 PM)
Ummmm... yeah...
We do need emotions. Emotions like being scared cause an andreline rush. That andreline rush could be the deciding factor in a life or death situation.
If you have no emotions, what do you live for? You love nothing, you care about nothing, you take no pride in any work you accomplish. You obviously can't have any friends, much less a girlfriend without emotions. Hell, why is it that you are even working on a map? For the pure benefit of the starcraft community? Without emotion, there is really no reason to live.
Emotions cause reactions far from rational.
Love -> unprotected sex
Hate -> fights
Scared -> unreasonable fright of something
the list goes on.
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We do need emotions. Emotions like being scared cause an andreline rush. That andreline rush could be the deciding factor in a life or death situation.
If you have no emotions, what do you live for? You love nothing, you care about nothing, you take no pride in any work you accomplish. You obviously can't have any friends, much less a girlfriend without emotions. Hell, why is it that you are even working on a map? For the pure benefit of the starcraft community? Without emotion, there is really no reason to live.
Emotions cause reactions far from rational.
Love -> unprotected sex
Hate -> fights
Scared -> unreasonable fright of something
the list goes on.
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(Okey I'll try to say this in as good english I can
)"Without emotion, there is really no reason to live."
I don't agree.
We have emotions to live, and we live to have emotions, that dosen't make sense, cause that is not a reason to live, that is just a circle of... of, something (energy) that just keeps on going. A reason is more like, accoplish something or if something/someone needs us... (hope you get it).
If I turn of my emotions, is there no "reason" to live for me then?
Why did I live in the first place? Just to have emotions?
Emotions are useless, you can still think logical without emotions, you can make more logical decisions.
QUOTE(T.s.u.k.a.s.a @ Oct 10 2004, 07:41 PM)
I have done some research into the matter (not much). Everything is energy. Energy: moving particles. Emotions are energy. I figured out how to make emotions take on a more tangible form. I used psionics. Since I'm a begginer at psionics, I tried out the most basic techneque, the psiball. I WILL NOT POST UP LINKS TO WEBSITES TEACHING PSIONICS for variouse reasons. (Note: Psiballs are invisible most of the time. It takes a great deal of time and effort to create a visible psiball for a begginer. So, there would be no point in posting up a picture of me with my hands near each other.)
My attempts at a psiball:
1st: I was very excited. The psiball grew quickly and moved quickly. It was easy to focus and enlarge it but hard to control it.
2nd: I created a psiball without feeling any emotions. All I felt was the ball pushing on my hands. It grew at a normal speed and was relatively easy to handle. It felt a little cool (meaning temperature).
3rd: I was very happy. The psiball grew normally and was easy to handle but it was very hot. One minute after forming the ball, my hands were pouring out sweat. It kept getting hotter because I kept getting happier due to my succes. I eventually could not bear the heat and had to let the ball go and disintegrate. It had a little bit of color, but no one was around to take a picture, and I didn't have a camera. Even if I did, I would need both hands for the ball. You'll just have to trust me.
Starcraft if real. It is electronic signals going through you computer, light coming from you screen, and data in the memory banks, motherboard, etc.
In conclusion:
1. Everything is real because it is made up of energy.
That means if you had a dream that Freddie Crougar tried to kill you but, you woke up before he did, Freddie Crougar is real, to an extent. He is real in the person's mind.
2. Psionics make emotions more tangible.
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My attempts at a psiball:
1st: I was very excited. The psiball grew quickly and moved quickly. It was easy to focus and enlarge it but hard to control it.
2nd: I created a psiball without feeling any emotions. All I felt was the ball pushing on my hands. It grew at a normal speed and was relatively easy to handle. It felt a little cool (meaning temperature).
3rd: I was very happy. The psiball grew normally and was easy to handle but it was very hot. One minute after forming the ball, my hands were pouring out sweat. It kept getting hotter because I kept getting happier due to my succes. I eventually could not bear the heat and had to let the ball go and disintegrate. It had a little bit of color, but no one was around to take a picture, and I didn't have a camera. Even if I did, I would need both hands for the ball. You'll just have to trust me.
Starcraft if real. It is electronic signals going through you computer, light coming from you screen, and data in the memory banks, motherboard, etc.
In conclusion:
1. Everything is real because it is made up of energy.
That means if you had a dream that Freddie Crougar tried to kill you but, you woke up before he did, Freddie Crougar is real, to an extent. He is real in the person's mind.
2. Psionics make emotions more tangible.
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I believe in you, doh, I feel that you are most selfish.. share thy wisdom.
I have my book, so I can't really post links, but if you want the name of the book sure : The Power of Kabbalah
I'm a pure beginner myself, doh, I was with my friend when she made an "astral-travel" (when your spirit leaves your body and flys away to new places). She "travelled" York, the Town in GB. First I didn't believe her, when see was telling me street names, ans such, Cafe's and shops...etc.
Then we looked up some maps and other information about York, and.. well, the streets where there, and cafe's etc. I was stunned... I couldn't believe it....
I have know her all my life and she would not be lieing to me, I just know that. And it freaks me out. Still now, I'm starting to meditate on a deeper level... still far from "astral-travel"
I'm a believer you might say.
There is more out there and the eye can see, I think the Humans are capable of more things than we can imagine...
I think the Humans is evoulving to it's, probobly, final form (not physicall).
Well...
I like this Topic .
Sorry about all the errors, it is late in sweden and I'm tierd.
G'night.
(hope you take me seriously
)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kingra on 2004-10-21 at 19:24:56
Ouch. I thought this topic was dead.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2004-10-21 at 20:35:50
Thats a little scary about the Astral-Travel.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Foamy on 2004-10-21 at 20:42:50
QUOTE(RexyRex @ Oct 22 2004, 12:35 AM)
Thats a little scary about the Astral-Travel.
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Read the book, if you want to learn it. It is like, Step by step, kinda..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2004-10-22 at 18:53:37
Okay, skipping most posts...
Alright...
Let's say you get angry.
You're angry, correct?
Therefore emotions are real.
Define the line between reality and illusion...
Because illusion IS and ASPECT of reality.
Alright...
Let's say you get angry.
You're angry, correct?
Therefore emotions are real.
Define the line between reality and illusion...
Because illusion IS and ASPECT of reality.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2004-10-22 at 18:58:13
Foamy can you post a link of the ... book? ...?
Where can I get it and what is it called?
Where can I get it and what is it called
?Report, edit, etc...Posted by Foamy on 2004-10-24 at 08:46:27
QUOTE(RexyRex @ Oct 22 2004, 10:58 PM)
Foamy can you post a link of the ... book? ...?
Where can I get it and what is it called?
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Where can I get it and what is it called
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"The Power of Kabbalah"
is the name of the book.
I guess you could buy it at yout local book store
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KckKryptonite on 2004-10-25 at 03:07:39
Lets debate about something less st00pid.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Foamy on 2004-10-25 at 05:09:48
QUOTE(KckKryptonite @ Oct 25 2004, 07:07 AM)
Lets debate about something less st00pid.
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Yea, your Death.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FrylockHolmes on 2004-10-27 at 16:26:12
"Psiball!?" What kind of Dragon ball bull 
is that? I think the reason you won't give us any actual proof of this bs is that it is, in fact, bull . Back to the original point this topic is talking about, I do believe that emotions are real. Just because they are intangible does not mean they do not exist. Think about how they affect anything you do throughout your life. Without emotion, you'd act completely different.
is that? I think the reason you won't give us any actual proof of this bs is that it is, in fact, bull . Back to the original point this topic is talking about, I do believe that emotions are real. Just because they are intangible does not mean they do not exist. Think about how they affect anything you do throughout your life. Without emotion, you'd act completely different.