Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2004-09-18 at 21:26:23
I think it was the flag poll because all schools have a flag pole, and most students know where it is...
also, part of see you at the pole is praying for the nation...
also, part of see you at the pole is praying for the nation...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-09-18 at 21:29:50
USA's weird... We don't have polls here with canadian flags everywhere around here... Praying to the nation is just encouraging Bush (which is the god of USA, in some technical ways)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2004-09-18 at 21:32:46
QUOTE(Shadow Paladin @ Sep 18 2004, 06:29 PM)
Praying to the nation is just encouraging Bush
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Huh? we don't pray to the nation, we pray for the nation..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-09-18 at 21:38:16
How is that supposed to help? You can trust into your nation, but it won't change a thing if you just do that. Need concrete actions.
Except if you really think mass praying will get God to luv the nation also :/
Except if you really think mass praying will get God to luv the nation also :/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2004-09-19 at 16:48:47
QUOTE(FireKame @ Sep 19 2004, 02:26 AM)
I think it was the flag poll because all schools have a flag pole, and most students know where it is...
also, part of see you at the pole is praying for the nation...
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also, part of see you at the pole is praying for the nation...
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Ah, but that's one of the main things I disagree with. By praying around the flagpole, you are idolising your flag and nation.
I mean, who are you worshipping, your god or your country?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (U)Bolt_Head on 2004-09-19 at 17:02:09
QUOTE(FireKame @ Sep 12 2004, 10:24 PM)
See You At the Pole (syatp for short) is an event where christian students gather around the school's flag poll and pray or worship God. Keep in mind that most of these schools are public schools, funded by the government. Do you believe that syatp conflicts with the separation of church and state?
I'm torn on this...don't know what I think
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sorry for not reading anyone’s replies but omg no it doesn't conflict with church and state.
If you believe it does you need to take a moment and think about why that law is there. What would you do next ban students from wearing necklaces with a cross on it. Or maybe expel the fat kid for impersonating budda.
I went to a private school when I was really little (before most of your were born lol). Anyways every Wednesday we had to wear "church clothes" I had to wear a tie. Half way though the day we would have an assembly devoted to worshiping god (I forgot what it was called, maybe if i was more religious I would know) we did this every Wednesday. Anyways the moral of my story is that there is a difference between stopping people from expressing there religious believes than stopping schools from preaching it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2004-09-20 at 19:41:22
Private schools are exempt from the laws separating church and state.
The only problem I would have with this "at the pole" thing is if the religious kids get out of class for it. It's like their being favored because of their religion, and that's not fair. But if it's during their free time (in-between classes or whatever) then go for it. Just don't start :censored:ing when the atheists go out there to express their beliefs right along with you.
The only problem I would have with this "at the pole" thing is if the religious kids get out of class for it. It's like their being favored because of their religion, and that's not fair. But if it's during their free time (in-between classes or whatever) then go for it. Just don't start :censored:ing when the atheists go out there to express their beliefs right along with you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by eXiLe on 2004-09-27 at 00:17:13
i didnt go rofl cuz too lazy to wake up!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tattered_and_Torn on 2004-09-27 at 01:28:19
QUOTE(Morpheus @ Sep 13 2004, 03:46 AM)
It's a blatant violation of separation between church and state. Enough said.
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actually...it's not technically a 'school event' it's organized by the students and, at least at my high school and the others in our district, was in no way promoted by the faculty and staff...so really...it has nothing to do with the 'state'
any questions?
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QUOTE(Nozomu @ Sep 20 2004, 11:41 PM)
Private schools are exempt from the laws separating church and state.
The only problem I would have with this "at the pole" thing is if the religious kids get out of class for it. It's like their being favored because of their religion, and that's not fair. But if it's during their free time (in-between classes or whatever) then go for it. Just don't start :censored:ing when the atheists go out there to express their beliefs right along with you.
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The only problem I would have with this "at the pole" thing is if the religious kids get out of class for it. It's like their being favored because of their religion, and that's not fair. But if it's during their free time (in-between classes or whatever) then go for it. Just don't start :censored:ing when the atheists go out there to express their beliefs right along with you.
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also...ours was held before class..not durring..so we were never excused from it...it was always at like 6:30 AM and classes didnt start until like 8:30...
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QUOTE(CaptainWill @ Sep 19 2004, 08:48 PM)
Ah, but that's one of the main things I disagree with. By praying around the flagpole, you are idolising your flag and nation.
I mean, who are you worshipping, your god or your country?
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I mean, who are you worshipping, your god or your country?
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by praying around the pole...it's like when we pray for someone who is in need...we gather around them and sometimes embrace them when we pray...it's the same principle...praying around the pole shows that we are praying for our nation...we're not idolising the flag and the nation...we're praying for it...our nation was founded under these beliefs...hence the 'One nation, under God' and on the money...'In God We Trust'....it's all right there
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[cate,Sep 18 2004, 10:37 PM]Except people from the ice cream festival don't shove icecream down your throat on a daily basis.
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some people do try and shove Christianity on others, and honestly..that's not what Christians are supposed to be doing...we're not called to force our beliefs on everyone else...we are called to show others that we are different by our actions and our lifestlyes....granted...non christians can life just as fulfilling lifestlyes...i guess it's just a matter of opinion when it all boils down to it...
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QUOTE(Nozomu @ Sep 13 2004, 07:50 PM)
But you have to keep in mind it wasn't founded on religion. It was founded on principles (whether or not the principles were first introduced to the founding fathers is a whole different issue). Just because the founding fathers were of one particular religion doesn't mean we should respect it any more than any other religion.
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'one nation, under God' ....'In God we trust'
furthermore...there is technically no such thing as an atheist...the correct term would be agnostic...atheism implies that you do not believe in anything...but in order for that to be true...you must believe that you do not believe anything and it's just a vicous cycle of nothingness...therefore we have agnosticism...the choice to remain set apart from religion
Report, edit, etc...Posted by synd][cate on 2004-09-27 at 02:01:21
Yes I believe in nothing, therefore I have no belief system is your next retort? True?
It's funny that 90% of christians who use this line can't see the irony of their own statements... sad isn't it.
Oh yeah, and I'm an atheist if you haven't figured it out !
It's funny that 90% of christians who use this line can't see the irony of their own statements... sad isn't it.
Oh yeah, and I'm an atheist if you haven't figured it out !
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2004-09-27 at 04:17:37
no see you at the pole here but dude athiest means no god. prefic a means no. main word thiest means god. no god, no belief in god. 
go prefixes!!
go prefixes!!Report, edit, etc...Posted by Revelade on 2004-09-27 at 04:23:27
You like blue, I like red, let's end it with that. A flame war on RELIGION is the last thing we need around here mmmkay? So just put that stick down... there, there you go, feels better already, doesn't it?
If you read the first post, he made this thread for your opinion on DOES IT CONFLICT THE CHURCH AND STATE SEPARATION. I believe this doesn't mean is my religion better than yours, which many of the people here are diverging into. So let's get back on topic and stop the sidetracking.
I think the pole thing is alright, but it's just other students that are Islamic or such, have told me they are offended by this... I guess they could do it too...
If you read the first post, he made this thread for your opinion on DOES IT CONFLICT THE CHURCH AND STATE SEPARATION. I believe this doesn't mean is my religion better than yours, which many of the people here are diverging into. So let's get back on topic and stop the sidetracking.
I think the pole thing is alright, but it's just other students that are Islamic or such, have told me they are offended by this... I guess they could do it too...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dashrike on 2004-09-27 at 13:47:25
Alright, I think one thing needs to be defined here:
THERE IS NO BLOODY SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!
The entire thing is based off a letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association of Connecticut.
I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.
You will note that his context of separation of church and state is in the negative!
Myth of Separation of Church and State
You will also notice that the government has no right whatsoever to restrict use of a public facility to those intending to practice their religion there. This is The United States' Constitution's 1st Amendment! The only way they can regulate it at all is if other citizens complain and press their rights as superior to others. And yes, this does happen often, because americans in general are selfish and opinionated. [and yes I can say that because I live in america, of which I am not proud of.]
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THERE IS NO BLOODY SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!
The entire thing is based off a letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association of Connecticut.
QUOTE("Jefferson wrote:")
I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.
You will note that his context of separation of church and state is in the negative!
Myth of Separation of Church and State
You will also notice that the government has no right whatsoever to restrict use of a public facility to those intending to practice their religion there. This is The United States' Constitution's 1st Amendment! The only way they can regulate it at all is if other citizens complain and press their rights as superior to others. And yes, this does happen often, because americans in general are selfish and opinionated. [and yes I can say that because I live in america, of which I am not proud of.]
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