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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dark Templar on 2004-10-18 at 11:35:09
QUOTE(SaLaCiouS(U) @ Oct 15 2004, 02:28 PM)
You are still a dumbass....

This political correctness stuff is just a bunch of bull censored.gif  to appease people with ovaries....

PS: It says you are from China. Do you even know what the  censored.gif  you are talking about?
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I don't know what to say.

You must have a very low self-esteem if you have to focus the whole subject of calling them "indians". The only reason I started talking about it because the way you wrote a post something like "If you are refering to Andrew Jackson, he was awesome. He got rid of the indians." You make it sound like it was a good thing, regardless if it was "the will of the people". If anyone is being a hypocrite, it's you.

And yes, I do know what I am talking about, I have studied American history in quite depth. I do not know how much you know, you may know more, which doesn't mean your right. But, I'm not going to resort to name calling, then question your gender, like you have done to me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2004-10-18 at 13:41:58
I don't think anyone in this forum has lived through more than a few presidents' terms, so they're not qualified to make any judgements like "who the best president was". You can't trust your freaking textbooks, you have to go out and talk to people who saw political censored.gif go down way back in the day, and even then you're getting a biased view of events.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dark Templar on 2004-10-18 at 14:30:47
Yes, Nozomu, that is very true. Just saying someone is the best or worse, when we all probably didn't live during that president's term is just listening to what we have been taught or read. We do not have the complete story.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by brutetal on 2004-10-20 at 00:22:21
OH OH OH I THINK ITS GEORGE W. BUSH!!! (THE 2ND ONE!) STUPID IDIOT INVADED IRAQ!!! AND ALOT OF CASUALTYS THERE!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SaLaCiouS(U) on 2004-10-20 at 17:13:03
If you wanted to know Dark Templar I'm not racist. I didn't mean what I said that way.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by phlemhacker99 on 2004-10-21 at 12:35:17
Worst:Clinton Best:Lincoln
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SaLaCiouS(U) on 2004-10-21 at 17:13:41
Clinton was one of the best economically.. you're an idiot.

Lincoln was a racist bastard who wanted to kick the blacks out of U.S. after he freed them.

Nozomu is right though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NeoNightmareX on 2004-10-21 at 17:33:28
Best is Def Lincoln: heres a quote "In your hands, my dissatisfied fellow countrymen, and not in mine, is the momentous issue of civil war. The government will not assail you.... You have no oath registered in Heaven to destroy the government, while I shall have the most solemn one to preserve, protect and defend it."

"With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds.... "

1st quote, hes telling them that he is going to try in all of his power to try and save the Union from the Confederates and the 2nd one says that he forgives the Confederates, the people who nearly destroyed a country he forgave, a guy with that much of a huge heart is definatly the best president Lincoln is my El Presidente

Worst President: Truman, i mean how clueless can u get about being a president could teddy have died at a possibly worse time and left the most destructive weapon in the hands of a guy who probably never knew wat atoms were before the bomb? HELLO!!!!?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SaLaCiouS(U) on 2004-10-21 at 20:49:56
I don't know anything about Truman, but you have to be pretty stupid to think Lincoln is good for that reason. ANY president would obviously want to preserve the union, and Lincoln did SUCH A BAD JOB! He chose idiotic generals who fumbled us through the war. We practically lost because of Lincoln's choice in generals even though we had more men, more industry, more railroad tracks, we had everything going for us except what Lincoln was doing.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by phlemhacker99 on 2004-10-22 at 12:04:25
QUOTE(SaLaCiouS(U) @ Oct 21 2004, 04:13 PM)
Clinton was one of the best economically.. you're an idiot.

Lincoln was a racist bastard who wanted to kick the blacks out of U.S. after he freed them.

Nozomu is right though.
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What he got rid of slavery. Pay attention to history class.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SaLaCiouS(U) on 2004-10-22 at 17:04:17
So...? He got rid of slavery and they replaced it with with black codes instead of slave codes. There was no difference. Besides, I didn't even SAY he didn't get rid of slavery. I said he wanted to kick the blacks out of the United States after they were freed. He didn't want them here at all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2004-10-23 at 15:38:10
QUOTE(brutetal @ Oct 19 2004, 11:22 PM)
OH OH OH I THINK ITS GEORGE W. BUSH!!! (THE 2ND ONE!) STUPID IDIOT INVADED IRAQ!!! AND ALOT OF CASUALTYS THERE!
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Casualties? Damnit guys! There have been hardly ANY casualties! Only about 1,000. And mind you, thats nothing. More people die from Cigarrete smoking in 2 weeks than the number that died in Iraq in 2 years of fighting!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SaLaCiouS(U) on 2004-10-23 at 18:11:31
People who claim the losses in Iraq are huge are idiots. Granted we are doing worse than we were at the start of the war, but it's not as grave as you make it out to be.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2004-10-23 at 18:23:06
QUOTE(Kow @ Oct 23 2004, 02:38 PM)
Casualties? Damnit guys! There have been hardly ANY casualties! Only about 1,000. And mind you, thats nothing. More people die from Cigarrete smoking in 2 weeks than the number that died in Iraq in 2 years of fighting!
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1000? I'm 100% sure there are more casulties than 1000. If you're talking about death, then, if you add both sides, it's still a lot more than 1000.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NeoNightmareX on 2004-10-24 at 18:03:43
QUOTE(SaLaCiouS(U) @ Oct 21 2004, 07:49 PM)
I don't know anything about Truman, but you have to be pretty stupid to think Lincoln is good for that reason. ANY president would obviously want to preserve the union, and Lincoln did SUCH A BAD JOB! He chose idiotic generals who fumbled us through the war. We practically lost because of Lincoln's choice in generals even though we had more men, more industry, more railroad tracks, we had everything going for us except what Lincoln was doing.
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pinch.gif pinch.gif pinch.gif pinch.gif pinch.gif DUDE COULD U BE ANY MORE WRONG! LINCOLN IS THE "BEST"without him that icon of a flag wouldnt be hanging near ur name it would look a lil like this at "BEST" (couldnt find pic so im gonna describe it) 1/2 the flag is confederate racists, and the other half is american i think u confused lincoln, hes on the UN-racist side! pinch.gif pinch.gif pinch.gif pinch.gif pinch.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SaLaCiouS(U) on 2004-10-24 at 19:57:06
You failed to provide a single shred of evidence supporting your conclusion. All you did was vaguely say that Lincoln was the only person who could have preserved the Union. I think my facts stand for themselves and prove you wrong.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NeoNightmareX on 2004-10-24 at 20:06:05
QUOTE(SaLaCiouS(U) @ Oct 24 2004, 06:57 PM)
You failed to provide a single shred of evidence supporting your conclusion. All you did was vaguely say that Lincoln was the only person who could have preserved the Union. I think my facts stand for themselves and prove you wrong.
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IM SLOW!!! >.< LEAVE ME ALONE but seriously he freed the slaves, he and others believed that the slaves were as equal as anyone else, and thats why he freed them, how is he a racist? he wanted to free the slaves and the southern states wanted to keep the slaves though it was immoral and wrong the only way to preserve the union was to keep them with us because wat they did was the reason we started to seperate and look at the long term results, everyone can own land on it and work wherever they want, the African-Americans arent forced to work on the plantations of South Carolina or any other state! ranting.gif ranting.gif ranting.gif ranting.gif ranting.gif ranting.gif ranting.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2004-10-26 at 17:03:52
Best - Bill Clinton

Worst - Nixon

No agrument needed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SaLaCiouS(U) on 2004-10-26 at 21:25:31
He didn't believe that. He wanted to kick the blacks out of the country afterrwords but they didn't want to go, because they weren't frmo Africa, they were born right here in the U.S.A. He was a terrible command in chief and appointed idiotic generals. No one could have possibly done a worse job, unless somehow a pro-States' Right's president had been in office. Basically any Democrat could have done a better job than Lincoln. Any one.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2004-11-03 at 18:07:11
I think ( i know) That either George W. Bush, Ronald Reagon, or Nixon were the worst presedents of all time!

The best was probly umm... Abraham Lincoln smile.gif or Franklin Roosevelt

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QUOTE(Kow @ Oct 17 2004, 08:00 PM)
I havent read past post number 6 or so... but

Bush did not lose jobs... and if he did, it happened because of 9/11. If anything, hes increased jobs by 1% Which is ALOT!

I have no least favorite pres., but if kerry is elected, hell be number one! (on the bad list)
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Are you serious!! He lost more jobs than any presedent get your facts straight!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2004-11-03 at 18:10:23
Best -
John F. Kennedy
William Clinton
Abraham Lincoln (not for freeing the slaves or any of that bull censored.gif , but because he said he would free them in order to keep the border states on the Northern side in the Civil War)
Franklin D. Roosevelt

Worst -
The presidents of the Gilded Age (Ulysses S. Grant, Chester A. Arthur, James A. Garfield, Rutherford B. Hayes, Grover Cleveland, and Benjamin Harrison)
Harry Truman
George H. W. Bush
George W. Bush
Ronald Reagan

Neo: The emancipation proclamation stated that all slaves outside of the Union were free. But outside the Union was the Confederacy who had no reason to listen to Lincoln. So in turn, not a single slave was freed. It was all a ploy to make sure that the border states still supported the North and Britain and France stayed away from American affairs.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2004-11-03 at 18:17:51
Reason people are saying Clinton is the best prez is because at that point, our economy was booming. It just happened to be that Clinton was President at that time and he really didnt contribute to or start up this "boom" or anything.

Best president(s) would be George Washington (he lead our country to freedom), Thomas Jefferson (he wrote the legendary and influential Declaration of independence), Abraham Lincoln (kept our country together during crisis), Theodore Roosevelt (because his head is sculpted on mount something along with the other 3 presidents).

Worst would be... not Bush since he still might have a chance to redeem himself for these next 4 years. But it would be Nixon (since he's the only one who got impeached and was guilty and was forced to resign).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2004-11-03 at 18:21:30
If I remember correctly, he resigned before he was impeached. Clinton was impeached though.

Kinda ironic that Clinton gets impeached for a blow job while Bush doesn't despite the fact that he broke international and constitutional law. Oh how silly our government is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2004-11-03 at 18:34:31
I second that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2004-11-03 at 18:36:12
QUOTE(DevliN @ Nov 3 2004, 06:21 PM)
If I remember correctly, he resigned before he was impeached. Clinton was impeached though.

Kinda ironic that Clinton gets impeached for a blow job while Bush doesn't despite the fact that he broke international and constitutional law. Oh how silly our government is.
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Lol Good point! Our goverment is wacko!
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