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The war shouldn't even be an issue in the election. Mostly everyone wanted it when 9/11 happened. It was inevitable.

I would like to add that Kerry is the biggest people pleaser that i've ever known.

Bush is stupid.
Kerry is stupid and ugly.

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Bush looks like a monkey and Kerry looks like..... er i dunno. Just something gay looking

Being ugly won't end in all the middle eastern countries turning against America; being as stupid, provokative, and father-following like Dubya (ya know... George Dubya Bush) WILL. I'd rather look at a weird face than start WW3.

People wanted the war on terror, not the war on Iraq. There's a huge difference.

Also, why do you bring up "people-pleasing" as if it's a bad thing? I think you don't quite understand what the office of the President of the United States entails. Doing what the American people want is the President's job (within constitutional boundaries, of course). For you to act like Kerry's goal of making people happy is a bad thing is hypocritical. People want a President who will do what they want him to do, not someone who won't keep his promises and just work towards his own ends. It's Bush's job to do what the population wants him to do, as well. He just seems to have forgotten that.

All you Kerry supporters are lobotomized morons...Kerry would skrew this country faster then Clinton skrewed Monica! Unless you want a president who had to shoot himself and blame the enemy in the Vietnam War just to get a purple heart or who was a member or of a group that was voting to assassinate around 20 US Senators, then go ahead and vote for him. Bush may not be a genius, but he's 200x better then Kerry could ever get.

Look Here at the stupidity of this country's liberal beliefs. If a liberal skrews up (Clinton) you liberal dont mind. But when a conservative Bush does the exact same thing but with better intentions, you jump all over him like a hobo on a ham sandwich!

Another stupid Republican who believes people that weren't even there when it happened. Go take a truth pill and then tell me how Kerry got those purple hearts.

Where to start...

Okay, your "exactly the same thing" statement. I guess you can make history look like anything if you simplify it into one-sentence fragments like that, but let's not do that. Let's do our own research on such subjects before making claims. What you quoted there is an opinion that takes every fact out of context and states the view of the other side. Apparently the Republican tactic lately has been to do just that. Okay, let's take a few of the statements from that piece you quoted and explain them in context.

The funny part of this phrase is that the author cleverly omitted one crucial fact - that there was a genocide happing in Serbia. Having learned from his mistake with the Rwanda crisis (an ability that George Bush seems to not have), Clinton, at the behest of the entire world, stopped the killing. In Rwanda, when Clinton did nothing, the Republicans threw a fit. In Serbia, when he did something about the problem, the Republicans threw a fit. Do you think their anger had anything to do with the situations at hand and not with the then-current administration? You be the judge. Notice how I'm presenting facts and letting you decide, based on factual evidence. I'm not telling you what your opinions should be. In Iraq, there was no genocide, no mass loss of human life. Okay, there was, but that was during George Bush senior's term, and the Republicans sure as hell didn't care enough to save those brown people until the flow of oil was interrupted when Saddam invaded Kuwait. Again, instead of "saving" the Iraqis, President Bush senior decided to leave the Kurds to their gruesome fate. Okay, now that that's out of the way, do you understand what I mean by lack of context?

This one is just hilarious. First of all, Clinton committed perjury, which is a felony. Unfortunately for the Republican "anrgy mob", he was not convicted, he apologized. But no, they kept ing so hard that he had to keep a low profile. Now, as to Bush's aircraft carrier fiasco, guess how much money it cost to pull of the stunt? A million dollars. Do you know how much more money there would have been for his woefully underfunded "No Child Left Behind" act if he had just ridden a boat to the carrier? A million dollars. Oh, yeah, and "Mission accomplished" was perjury. The Democrats just figured they'd let it go, it's not worth blowing that fact out of proportion. So, uh, get your facts straight. Don't you love the lack of context, when the author of those lovely anecdotes states the other side's opinion without revealing the real reason for the opinion? It's pathetic, really.

Clinton didn't want to find mass graves, and neither did the American people. Oh, and Clinton didn't use mass graves as a reason to go to war, like Bush did with WMDs in Iraq. So, uh, it's terrific that they didn't find any mass graves in Serbia. The terror committed there was not so grave as we had previously thought, and we could all breathe a sigh of relief. Now, the WMDs are different. Since Bush based his whole war on WMDs, it kind of makes him look like a moron when he reveals that, oops, there really weren't. It sucks that your kids died, though. Let's get this straight, we went to Iraq to find WMDs that Bush said Saddam had, not to "save the Iraqi people".

I love this - Milosevic has not been convicted by a court that we have no part in, the International Criminal Court. You know, the same court that George Bush declined to be a part of. If the Republicans wanted Milosevic convicted so badly, they should have stopped being afraid that they'd be called to trial for committing war crimes in Iraq and just joined the court and helped speed up the process. I don't know anyone in America who has ever said that it's good that Milosevic hasn't been convicted, either. It's just another example of a Republican trying to falsely represent the other side's opinions.

Funny, but the author forgot to state that under Clinton the economy grew to the highest it had ever been, and that we had a massive budget surplus for the first time ever. That is why everyone who wasn't already rich was pleased with Clinton's work on the economy. No matter what the Republicans say, a budget surplus and terrific economic condition, both facts, speak for themselves.
Now, about Bush's upswing economy. Have you looked at the numbers lately? Apparently, the Bush administration had the gall to use all of the surplus and send us deeper into debt than we have ever been. Sure, a tax cut is good for the economy in the short term, but it will cost us big in ten years when the government has to pay all of the money it owes. Thanks, old rich guys in Washington. By the time my generation finally gets a shot at financial security, you'll have died fat and happy and I'll have to clean up your mess. Good planning there on Bush's part, eh?

Now, having looked at the facts, don't thing seem a little, I don't know, different? Next time you make claims like those, don't offer opinions and don't base your claims on bull . Use facts, and you'll be well on your way to becoming a first-class argumentator. Until next time, kids! And remember, base your opinions on facts and don't believe rumors without confirming them first. I don't usually gloat, but GG PWN3D!

I know this, but Kerry takes it to an extreme level and changes his views depending on where he is at the time.

If America joins with the world court, we won't be a free nation anymore.
Kerry supports the world court.
Whats the benefit of joining a world court?

I think the "I hate Bush because he's a dum dum" arguement is way to easy to use, he's not dumb. A lot of you are opinionated pricks, everyone has got their right to vote for who they want, it does not make them "ignorant and misguided" if they don't support who you want them to.

FYI, Kerry was forced to serve.

Um, show me some proof of Kerry's flip-flopping, like some direct, in-context quotes. Because for all my searching, I haven't been able to find any.

The benefit of joining a world court? Okay, here's the job of the International Criminal Court: To put people to trial for war crimes. That's all. Bush's refusal to join the court only makes it seem like he's afraid that he's done something worthy of a trial. He "doesn't want to put our citizens at risk". Sure, yeah, that's it, just like he didn't want to send 100,000 troops into a war zone. He's afraid that he'll be found to be partly responsible for any atrocites committed under orders by our troops in the field. He's looking out for his own ass. Oh, and an International Criminal Court would make it MUCH easier to put away terrorist leaders hiding in other countries. But I guess that that's not Bush's goal.

I have hope that the war in Iraq might eventually allow us to set up a lasting Democracy. If this happens, there is absolutely no doubt that the Democracy will spread to other nations in the area.

Kerry is a flip flopper with no plan whatsoever, almost everyone voting for him is just HOPING he can't be any worse then Bush. He can.

Actually, if Kerry were in office, he would then face a Republican dominated Congress. With a Democratic president vetoing all the bills the republicans try to pass, they'll never be able to spend any money. W00T for spending no money...

Nozomu, u have to understand that as soon as we place a higher authority (world court) over our nation, we won't be a soveriegn nation anymore. Do you really want other countries making decisions for us?

And you mentioned that it would be easier to get terrorists if we joined the World Court, how? Whats the difference... the only difference is, we dont have to answer to anyone.

What you said about President Bush is untrue, he is trying to protect the future of our country. Anyways, as soon as we join the world court, it will lead to a world currency (which is not a bad thing) but it is a symbol of the end times--as prophized in the Christian bible.

What makes you think Iraq wants Democracy? Just because United States runs it doesn't mean it's the best. It maybe good, but their economy is terrible for it to even start. The point of democracy is to work your way up. But in their country, there is nothing to work from, so how is it possible to work up? You may say by us helping them. Well, why don't you tell me what Bush's plan is in telling them. He said they're able to vote for leaders. Ok, so what? Where is the plan? There is no plan. Bush went there thinking because he's the most powerful person in the world, he can just do whatever the hell he wants. He told the terrorists he were fighting to "Bring it on" (Thanks Nozomu for reminding me). What kind of an idiot would encourge their opponents to open fire on our troops? Nevermind, Bush would.

As Nozomu said, there is no proof. I watched the debates and his ideas on the internet. They are the same. They're not the same as Bush, but he agrees with Bush sometimes. Is that why he looks like one? For your information, ideas isn't just about one thing. I can agree with you on multiple subjects and disagree on more subjects. This is what Kerry is doing.



I'm sure you would know what happens if Kerry gets in office. Also, not spending money could be an overall good thing as Bush gave way for the largest defecit in history. I'm now saying he will do that, but it's better than Bush wasting his money on foreign affairs instead of our own life here. He cut money from his own No Child Left Behind Act and destroyed jobs. What kind of a leader is this? A crappy one.

This election really sucks, because if you use one "fact" it is then countered with another "fact" that says the exact opposite thing. There's really NOTHING to believe.. and in this situation you can't even argue about anything. Someone says "Bush lost jobs" then someone else says "Bush created more jobs" and you have no idea who is right. This example applies to almost everything and it's annoying.

Only if you count Bush's jobs creation in the army. Those aren't jobs but just people who serve Bush the idiot. Oh look, I gave him a title. At least it will be easier to tell which Bush we're talking about now.

Ok, can you give me proof as to where he created new jobs? First, add the amount he added, then subtract the amount he lost and you will have the net of the jobs gained or lost.

Who says it's Bush's fault we lost jobs? Most jobs lost are because of capitalism. It's cheaper to ship job's overseas. Also so many people go through college that there aren't even enough jobs for them to fill. Anyway, I heard there was a 1% growth (which is a lot) in the amount of jobs.

What I find interesting is that you guys are basing your claims against Kerry on one rumor - that he's a flip-flopper. And without any evidence whatsoever you keep making that claim. Believe me, as many contradicting facts as there are, every word Kerry has said during the campaign has been well-documented. So come up with some proof!

Now you're saying captilism sucks and we should ship jobs overseas? Oh, lets go ship Bush overseas, hopefully in Iraq, I sure as hell don't care. He said he also shared this concern so why would it be a problem? Stop ignoring my other questions. Also, 1% is not huge if you actually compare it to what Clinton did. Most people hate him. Why? Because he slept with someone he shouldn't? Ok, so he lied. How about Bush? He also lied. But on a much greater scale, where is the impeachment?

Clinton's lie didn't kill 1000 Americans, either.

Awesome article, Chill.

This conversation goes in circles, probably because CheeZe just keeps dissing President Bush every cheap shot he can get.

All I know, the original founding fathers (you know the people that made our government) wanted the government to be a republican and not a democracy, which, in fact has nothing to do with the names of the parties, nowadays, but rather, a replublican government has God as the highest authority in every manner based on all of the absolute truths. A democracy has humans as the ultimate authority. They wanted the American public to look at each candidates character, rather then their views on how things are run.

President Bush's character is alot better then Kerrys. CheeZe you need to stop saying President Bush lied, or bring some hard evidence.

Actually, if Kerry wins, I can't wait to say "I-told-you-so" when the country gets nothing done for 4 years.

You do realize nothing is more than negative right? 0>-1

As for Bush lying, for justify the war on Iraq. Then show me proof of these WMDs. Then tell me his awesome plan that will bring Iraq to a better place.

How is Bush's character better? He sucks at English. His acts are stupid. He doesn't care about anyone but himself.

What are you talking about?

"He sucks at English. His acts are stupid. He doesn't care about anyone but himself." Wow, theres a mature statement. You certainly don't know his intentions. His English is fine, maybe not to a foriegner as yourself.

"Then tell me his awesome plan that will bring Iraq to a better place." He is cleaning up Iraq, its a long process due to all the terrorists.

"As for Bush lying, for justify the war on Iraq. Then show me proof of these WMDs." He didn't lie.

If I recall, it takes Congress's vote to go to war, if it was only President Bush's decision and NO ONE ELSES (like you claim) Then we would be only at war for 90 days. (Amount the President is allowed if war denied by Congress)

Saddam played the mind game, if you claim that you have something that you do not have, its the same as having it and should be treated accordingly.
(America finally did what the U.N should've done,((another reason why a world court system would not work)) Saddam would not let inspectors into his country)

Why would people run out of building if a crazy 15 year old called up and said that there was a bomb in the building. The chances of him actually having a bomb in the building are pretty slim, but people run out anyway because the threat and possibilty is still there. (and this is a true story)

I'm too lazy to read all the posts, however, if Bush's morals and Kerry's economic viewpoints were merged together, that would probably be the closest thing to the perfect president.
Bush: disapproves of gay marriages, gay rights, aborations, etc etc etc
Kerry: wants to focus on american money on america, build up the economy, stop with the waste of resources and useless wars

(Quick fast reply for testing purposes)