Report, edit, etc...Posted by Robi on 2004-11-09 at 16:50:59
I think it didn't existed , or if it existed it is just a piece of 
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!!!Report, edit, etc...Posted by Reever on 2004-11-09 at 19:11:31
Alright Ill start a religon and people will join it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Urmom(U) on 2004-11-09 at 19:49:18
i already made a religion with my friends called "Trevor's Teachings"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2004-11-10 at 02:32:44
QUOTE(Red-X @ Nov 8 2004, 10:38 PM)
God is real and you cannot convince me otherwise. However there are some limited evloutions that also occur. These are not the same as a human coming from a monkey. These are just adaptations like the differences among crocadiles and allagators, they are obviously very similar but each has adapted to its own environment. Those that didnt adapt died. This is the natural selection that was mentioned earlier. But natural selection is not evolution. Algae is still algae and it will never develope a brain. As for Reever, if you dont believe in a higher being, dont slam others by saying that the Bible was written by some "guy wacked out from drugs" I think that those that don't believe in God are actually just scared to put their lives into someone's hands that they cannot see. Hypothetically speaking, even if there was no higher being, at least we tried. What happens to aethiests after they die? Do they get reincarnated? How? Why dont we have any memories of our past lives? However with a faith in God you definately go to one of two places: Heaven, eternal paradise, or Hell, eternal pain, suffering and sorrow. I would rather be certain in my faith of what happens after I die than be completely in the dark.
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Humans did not evolve from monkeys, everyone thinks humans are from monkeys...
some religious people will not agree with me, but scientifically - monkeys and humans have the same ancestors, humans did not descend from monkeys.Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2004-11-10 at 06:05:43
Faith... that's why we beleive in this... Faith...
Okay, Imagine this:
You are a christian. You're old. You're on your deathbed.
You will be in heaven when you die, if there is a heaven. Otherwise, you have led a good life.
You are an athest. You're old. You're on your deathbed.
You may or may not have led a good life, But if Christianity is true, you will go to hell. If not, whatever happens to the christian happens to you...
Okay, Imagine this:
You are a christian. You're old. You're on your deathbed.
You will be in heaven when you die, if there is a heaven. Otherwise, you have led a good life.
You are an athest. You're old. You're on your deathbed.
You may or may not have led a good life, But if Christianity is true, you will go to hell. If not, whatever happens to the christian happens to you...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by @:@ on 2004-11-10 at 09:23:41
It's a win-win situation if you at least take hold of one religion is what I think he is trying to say 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Robi on 2004-11-10 at 12:42:44
Heaven, lol !!!! I can't believe there is an heaven, it's impossible, it's look like merry christmas ... be good this year and u'll got presents, u think it's same for life ?
Be good at the life and u'll go to heaven
I don't think so...
If you believe in merry christmas u believe in heaven, and otherwise, i believe in nothing
Be good at the life and u'll go to heaven
I don't think so...
If you believe in merry christmas u believe in heaven, and otherwise, i believe in nothing
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2004-11-10 at 13:15:20
I am an agnostic. I believe in science and evolution, but think that there may be a higher being beyond our logical understanding that started things off, laying down the rules of physics and so on.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by iamandragon on 2004-11-10 at 19:28:03
Oh yes....I DO. I'm a catholic
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DrunkenWrestler on 2004-11-10 at 20:05:10
I can't disprove the existence of God. It is impossible to prove the non-existence of something, because something that does not exist can not possibly leave behind evidence indicating it does not exist. However, believing in something because it has not been debunked is not of the same proposition as believing in something which as been ascertained. There is no proof leprechauns do not exist, yet I don't follow a rainbow for a chance at a pot of gold or some lucky charms cereal. So, taking the stance "false until shown otherwise" prevents me from falling for dubious bulls*** and esoteric cults. So, X has never been shown to be false, but more importantly, has X ever been shown to be true?
Also, what kind of a god (particularly the one described in Christianity) creates a man, knowing well ahead of time that in 80 years he won't believe in him, being omniscient that he is, sends him to Hell for something as meager as non-belief? He is quiescent and evasive, he shows no sign of existence, he hides from me all his life, and when I use the power of rationality which he supposedly given me, I'm damned to Hell for not chosing the one correct religion from all the religions to chose from.
If God says "Worship me or feel my wrath," that isn't a relationship with a benevolent being, it's more in the vicinity of complying with a terrorist's demands to avoid atrocity. If you don't comply with the terrorist's demands, you get your head blown off.
ADDITION:
Your argument, sir, caught my eye. This argument is very common and it is called Pascal's Wager. Simply put, you believe in God "just in case." Even though there is no evidence he exist, you play the game of religion lottery (gambling, which is against Christainity by the way), in hopes that you will win an eternal afterlife. So in the end, belief is safer than non-belief.
With that logic in mind, it is equally possible God uses the Bible to lure idiots, and actually only lets skeptics, atheist, and agnostics into heaven. So perhaps, non-belief is safer than belief.
So Imagine this:
You are a non-believer. You're old. You're on your deathbed.
You will be in heaven when you die, if there is a heaven. Otherwise, you have led a good life.
You are a Christian. You're old. You're on your deathbed.
You may or may not have led a good life, But if Christianity is true, you will go to hell. If not, whatever happens to the christian happens to you...
Would God perfer to be joined in heaven with someone who sincerely believed in him, or someone who just did whatever it took to gain immortality?
Also, what kind of a god (particularly the one described in Christianity) creates a man, knowing well ahead of time that in 80 years he won't believe in him, being omniscient that he is, sends him to Hell for something as meager as non-belief? He is quiescent and evasive, he shows no sign of existence, he hides from me all his life, and when I use the power of rationality which he supposedly given me, I'm damned to Hell for not chosing the one correct religion from all the religions to chose from.
If God says "Worship me or feel my wrath," that isn't a relationship with a benevolent being, it's more in the vicinity of complying with a terrorist's demands to avoid atrocity. If you don't comply with the terrorist's demands, you get your head blown off.
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QUOTE(Kow @ Nov 10 2004, 06:05 AM)
Faith... that's why we beleive in this... Faith...
Okay, Imagine this:
You are a christian. You're old. You're on your deathbed.
You will be in heaven when you die, if there is a heaven. Otherwise, you have led a good life.
You are an athest. You're old. You're on your deathbed.
You may or may not have led a good life, But if Christianity is true, you will go to hell. If not, whatever happens to the christian happens to you...
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Okay, Imagine this:
You are a christian. You're old. You're on your deathbed.
You will be in heaven when you die, if there is a heaven. Otherwise, you have led a good life.
You are an athest. You're old. You're on your deathbed.
You may or may not have led a good life, But if Christianity is true, you will go to hell. If not, whatever happens to the christian happens to you...
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Your argument, sir, caught my eye. This argument is very common and it is called Pascal's Wager. Simply put, you believe in God "just in case." Even though there is no evidence he exist, you play the game of religion lottery (gambling, which is against Christainity by the way), in hopes that you will win an eternal afterlife. So in the end, belief is safer than non-belief.
With that logic in mind, it is equally possible God uses the Bible to lure idiots, and actually only lets skeptics, atheist, and agnostics into heaven. So perhaps, non-belief is safer than belief.
So Imagine this:
You are a non-believer. You're old. You're on your deathbed.
You will be in heaven when you die, if there is a heaven. Otherwise, you have led a good life.
You are a Christian. You're old. You're on your deathbed.
You may or may not have led a good life, But if Christianity is true, you will go to hell. If not, whatever happens to the christian happens to you...
Would God perfer to be joined in heaven with someone who sincerely believed in him, or someone who just did whatever it took to gain immortality?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2004-11-10 at 20:08:08
The bible is not for converting people, sure it may do that but, it is for keeping up your faith...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by iamandragon on 2004-11-10 at 20:36:56
QUOTE(Kow @ Nov 10 2004, 08:08 PM)
The bible is not for converting people, sure it may do that but, it is for keeping up your faith...
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The bible is just a documentry. You don't need anything to keep up your faith.
Just faith yourself.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DrunkenWrestler on 2004-11-10 at 23:00:19
Or God uses it as a tool to lure gullible believers and those who believe are hellbound, and those who do not believe pass his test and go to heaven.
Faith is a case of special pleading used to circumvent the barriers that keep people from believing because of lack of evidence. Why not have faith in Zeus? Of all religions that require faith, why do some choose Christainity?
ADDITION:
If you think a crocadile can evolve into an alligator, don't you think that in millions of years they can evolve into something totally different than what they are today? Allele sequences are slightly different with every generation. However, even with only slight changes that produce small mutations (you probably have one to five mutations in you right now, but most are so small and benign that they are never noticed), eventually you can have macroevolution. It's like adding 1+1. It's a very small increase, but over millions of years, you will have something very big.
Also, if there is an intelligent designer, he isn't very intelligent:
What kind of intelligent engineer would place the wires of a camera in front of the lens? Click here to find your blind spot! There are also tons of other animals that exhibit signs of jury-rigged designs from evolution.
I addressed this in post 35. You are worshipping God "just in case."
I don't know of many atheist that think reincarnation is the next stage after death. To be an atheist only means you don't believe in a god. Nothing more, nothing less. Perhaps our memories of our past lives are erased. I don't know, I don't believe in reincarnation. There is no evidence for it, just like there is no evidence for God or heaven. So why bother?
Funny how you used "faith" and "definately" in the same sentence. Again, you are worshipping God "just in case," See post 35.
Are propositions that are more appealing more likely to be true?
Faith is a case of special pleading used to circumvent the barriers that keep people from believing because of lack of evidence. Why not have faith in Zeus? Of all religions that require faith, why do some choose Christainity?
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QUOTE(Red-X)
However there are some limited evloutions that also occur. These are not the same as a human coming from a monkey. These are just adaptations like the differences among crocadiles and allagators, they are obviously very similar but each has adapted to its own environment. Those that didnt adapt died. This is the natural selection that was mentioned earlier. But natural selection is not evolution. Algae is still algae and it will never develope a brain.
If you think a crocadile can evolve into an alligator, don't you think that in millions of years they can evolve into something totally different than what they are today? Allele sequences are slightly different with every generation. However, even with only slight changes that produce small mutations (you probably have one to five mutations in you right now, but most are so small and benign that they are never noticed), eventually you can have macroevolution. It's like adding 1+1. It's a very small increase, but over millions of years, you will have something very big.
Also, if there is an intelligent designer, he isn't very intelligent:
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...defeat them doubly. First, creationists trot out that old saw about how "nothing as complex as an eye could evolve in stages, since a half-eye is no good at all." Darwin himself trounced that one roundly by merely observing that there are creatures alive today with eyes in all "stages of development," from a few light-sensitive cells, to a cup-shaped receptor with no proper lens, to eagle eyes far sharper than ours. Other creatures seem to get along fine with half-eyes and even 1/100 eyes.
Then for the final insult, human (the pinnacle of creation) eyes are clearly an engineering mistake! The retinas are inside out. The nerves and blood vessels come out through the light-sensitive area of the retina, producing a blind spot, then spread over the front of the light-receptor cells, so that light has to get past the fibers into the receptors. Why aren't the nerves and capillaries behind the receptors, where they would be out of the way and there would be no need for a blind spot? Squid eyes are arranged just that way. Since ours aren't, one is reminded of the maxim that evolution has to work with the materials at hand, adapting systems already in place, with results that often seem jury-rigged or needlessly complicated. Would an Ultimate Engineer make such an obvious blunder, especially having got it right in creatures created earlier?
http://www.skepticreport.com/creationism/vestigial.htm#eyesThen for the final insult, human (the pinnacle of creation) eyes are clearly an engineering mistake! The retinas are inside out. The nerves and blood vessels come out through the light-sensitive area of the retina, producing a blind spot, then spread over the front of the light-receptor cells, so that light has to get past the fibers into the receptors. Why aren't the nerves and capillaries behind the receptors, where they would be out of the way and there would be no need for a blind spot? Squid eyes are arranged just that way. Since ours aren't, one is reminded of the maxim that evolution has to work with the materials at hand, adapting systems already in place, with results that often seem jury-rigged or needlessly complicated. Would an Ultimate Engineer make such an obvious blunder, especially having got it right in creatures created earlier?
What kind of intelligent engineer would place the wires of a camera in front of the lens? Click here to find your blind spot! There are also tons of other animals that exhibit signs of jury-rigged designs from evolution.
QUOTE(Red-X)
I think that those that don't believe in God are actually just scared to put their lives into someone's hands that they cannot see.
QUOTE(Red-X)
Hypothetically speaking, even if there was no higher being, at least we tried. What happens to aethiests after they die? Do they get reincarnated? How? Why dont we have any memories of our past lives?
I addressed this in post 35. You are worshipping God "just in case."
I don't know of many atheist that think reincarnation is the next stage after death. To be an atheist only means you don't believe in a god. Nothing more, nothing less. Perhaps our memories of our past lives are erased. I don't know, I don't believe in reincarnation. There is no evidence for it, just like there is no evidence for God or heaven. So why bother?
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However with a faith in God you definately go to one of two places: Heaven, eternal paradise, or Hell, eternal pain, suffering and sorrow.
Funny how you used "faith" and "definately" in the same sentence. Again, you are worshipping God "just in case," See post 35.
QUOTE(Red-X)
I would rather be certain in my faith of what happens after I die than be completely in the dark.
Are propositions that are more appealing more likely to be true?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by eXiLe on 2004-11-10 at 23:17:17
I believe in god 100%
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2004-11-11 at 00:16:56
Claudia - 30
Drunk - 20
Salacious - 15
High - 10
10 more points and youre god, DW.
Drunk - 20
Salacious - 15
High - 10
10 more points and youre god, DW.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by iamandragon on 2004-11-11 at 03:18:12
QUOTE(Chill @ Nov 11 2004, 12:16 AM)
Claudia - 30
Drunk - 20
Salacious - 15
High - 10
10 more points and youre god, DW.
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Salacious - 15
High - 10
10 more points and youre god, DW.
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What you talking about?!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2004-11-11 at 08:11:36
Something got me thinking.
-Humans are smart. Humans invent stuff.
-Animals are stupid. Animals do not invent stuff.
-Humans go to heaven by using their intelligence.
-Animals go to hell because they don't have the intelligence to believe.
Wait a minute, if Humans invent stuff, why can't they create religion to organize their society. People back before Religion existed made it through fine, I would doubt they go to hell for something they have never heard of.
-Humans are smart. Humans invent stuff.
-Animals are stupid. Animals do not invent stuff.
-Humans go to heaven by using their intelligence.
-Animals go to hell because they don't have the intelligence to believe.
Wait a minute, if Humans invent stuff, why can't they create religion to organize their society. People back before Religion existed made it through fine, I would doubt they go to hell for something they have never heard of.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by iamandragon on 2004-11-11 at 08:51:34
...Nice one Cheeze, though not that cheesy...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2004-11-11 at 20:01:15
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What you talking about?!
Read my post on the first page (post #8).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by iamandragon on 2004-11-11 at 20:13:39
fine.