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"Because it's pleasurable"
Why is it pleasureable?
'Because its human nature'
Why is it human nature
"I dunno"

Hah! There"

Nope, doesn't work.

Okay, there is no point of life because life was a game created by God for beings to play in Casino Heaven to spice things up. The beings took turns to go down to Earth as and creature they wished to be, be it humans, dogs, turtles, Pekkels, or just flies, depending on how long you wished to play. Most choose humans because it's more interesting to be one and they actually have feelings and can speak and stab each other's backs. Being human is very exciting like giant wars and stuff. The beings from above watch Earth like people watch games at SC tournys. Death is when it's game over and you return tp Heaven to have your life evaluated and talk it out with your buddies. Depending on how your life went, you get points to buy "power" cards to cast on your friend to cause things to happen. Some thing they could do would would be like cast lightning and make you get a terrible disease. It doesn't matter if you were a do gooder or a thief, you get points for every achievement, like robbing all the Oscars from every Oscar winner around the globe, or if you create an award winning game like Starcraft that lasts for 100 years, or if you're a grizzly and you kill 5 hunters w/ shotguns. But if you live a few years doing nothing and die, you don't get much points. After you die, you just go back up to Heaven and do many things.

Earth isn't the only game, though. In the gaming center God named "Universe", there are many catagories called "galaxies" with different games in it. This would answer the question "if there are others beings in the Universe". God also sometimes makes things like the likeness of Jesus appear on a tree stump or on your hotdog to sike you out. This would be when all the players start being amased and all the people in Heaven would laugh. So, all in all, there is no meaning in life. It is just a game and when we are done, we play it again!!!!

You rule pekkel.

There is a point in life
The point is to worship and serve God. For the christians out there... we were created to worship God. He also created angels to worship him as well. He gave us free will so we can make that decision on our own. On another note, i believe that there is life on other planets. There are lots of pictures that prove it. Some...maybe even more are all false, but some are true. There is footage on NASA and stuff. But yea...POINT IN LIFE...SERVE GOD.

So according to you people, the idea is to worship god and get eternal life in heaven.

So.. whats the point of eternal life. Answer that one.

We all know the meaning of life is sex. That's why God gave men es and women s. It is His Holy and Biblical plan.

Actually, if you believe in a God, which I'm agnostic (I won't think there is one until it can be proved, but I won't disclose the possibility either), perhaps the point of living is to know pain before you go to Heaven, to enjoy the benefits better. I mean, what is love without pain? Wouldn't you just grow so used to love without pain that you would take it for granted? It would grow into something less than what it is meant to be. And if you're going to Hell, well, maybe God feels pity on you and gives you a chance to feel some love. And why would a God create us? Maybe He needs friends too...

And that is the most religious bs that you'll get out of me!

If we've evolved from amino acids, then our meaning is what we make of our lives. You can't just say your life is pointless. Maybe one day the human race will evolve to be so technologically superior that we can, you know, like recreate the big bang and save the universe from extinction!

*Edit* Wait, I can say but not p3nis? Wtf?

No one ever listens.....read mine and you will truly know the meaning of life...(and yes, I know I rule...)

I do and don't believe in god...
Though, there is always a point of living...
To play SC!
To come to SEN!
To come to SEN forums!!!

Obviously the only reason why we are here was because God created apples

But really, why do you need a point to life?
It will eventually end then something (which is also impossible to find out) will happen.
There is no point to finding out the point of life, when you find it what will you do with it?

So what did "GOD" come from?... and what created the "thing" that created god?

Life is a time cycle, when something dies, something borns... and so on.. nothing more nothing less...

And what did start Life, well... we'll never get that question answered.. so just quit it... gah..

Nothing "created" God. God has always existed and always will exist (Genesis, in the bible, states this). God was lonely, so He made the universe that we know, and He made us in His own Image.
When we die, are soul goes to hevean or hell. It all depends on the choices we have made during are time on earth.

You are affirming the consequence. You assume that A implies B, B is true, therefore A is true. I''ll demonstrate why this is a flawed line of reasoning.

"If there are invisible fairies interacting in this world, they will pull this rock towards the center of the earth if I let go of this rock. The rock has dropped to the ground, therefore invisible fairies exist."

"If we are in a Sims video game, we will expect to see order in the universe. The universe is ordered, therefore we are in a Sims video game."

Again, since B is true, you assume A is also true.

Another flaw in this reasoning is that you predict things "as they already are." There is nature because there is a God. It would be like me saying that the entire universe is just a by-product of your imagination, I'm not real, you're insane and just imagining me. Or the entire universe was just created five minutes ago with even our memories of "earlier" events intact. I never typed this post, even though I remember doing it and my fingerprints are on the keyboard, the universe was just created that way. No risky prediction was made, I'm just predicting it as it already is. These theories by the way, can explain why nature exist just as well as god can, but applying the law of parsimony, we shouldn't bother with it unless we have evidence for it.


It wouldn't suprise me that the dolphin died less than 150 ago. Carbon dating only works for items that are older than 150 years and younger than 50,000 years. Creationist should actually know better than to cite examples of deliberate misuse of carbon dating. It's like citing the misuse of a meterstick to measure the thickness of a hair and then claiming that meterstick measurements are flawed, but honesty seems to be something creationist are willing to sacrifice. I guess they can ask Jesus for forgiveness later.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD011.html

There are other dating methods that I've never seen creationist attempt to refute, such as Argon dating, which is very accurate.


And you're assuming the flood did happen. Those scientist also assume the entire universe didn't pop into existence five minutes ago with even our memories of "earlier" events intact. What folley, eh?


He was talking about evolution, not big bang. Actually, he was more in the vicinity of abiogensis, and not evolution. Evolution doesn't explain how the first living thing came to be, it explains biodiversity. Scientist aren't sure how the first life came into existence, but that is not required to know the evolution phenomena. If scientist didn't know how the first atom came into existence, it wouldn't impede their ability to explain chemistry.

The big bang definatly happened, and the idea was actually proposed by a priest and atheist were actually against it while theist were arguing for it. The big bang was an example of something comming from nothing, which was evidence for a god-like phenomenon, so this actually strengthened the religion side. Prior to that, scientist thought the universe just always existed, it wasn't created from anything. With the big bang, theist can argue that the universe did derive from somthing rather than just simply existing. Now it seems atheist argue for it, and theist argue against it. Oh, the irony.


Uh, you failed to answer his question. If we did achieve the alleged afterlife, what is the point of the afterlife?


Well, if God would send me to Hell for something as meager as disbelief, I think he's a sick bastard. He's supposedly omniscient, so he creates me, knowing full ahead of time that in 80 years I won't believe in him, and he uses disbelief as a justifiable farce to toss me into the pit.

He created an angel, knowing that that angel will become corrupted and rebel. He creates a test for Adam and Eve, again, knowing that they will fail so that he can use the fall as an excuse to doom all of mankind.

Thanks for hiding from me all my life, showing all the signs of non-existence, giving a rational mind to come to the conclusion that you don't exist, then when I die and find out you do exist, you burn me in Hell for being less that what you created me to be. How can we have free will if our actions can be predicted ahead of time?

Anyone answer this: if you were God, where woulld you send an atheist like me?

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Yeah, and we all know how reliable the bible is. The veracity of the bible is something you should confirm when trying to prove the existence of God. Instead, you use it as part of your conclusion. That's question begging, aka circular logic.


Again, God already knows if we're going to heaven or hell. He's omniscient. He created me, knowing my genetics, enviornment, every influence, and every factor that will cause me to not belief, and he will use my non-belief as a justifiable farce to toss me into Hell. God seems more like an evil tyrant than a benevolent being.


Heh, just wait till you visit high-octane debate forums.

Seeing as how no one objected to my theory and belief, I assume that I am right and you are all wrong. Play the game and have fun!*points to my first post in case you didn't read it*

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Well, if God would send me to Hell for something as meager as disbelief, I think he's a sick bastard. He's supposedly omniscient, so he creates me, knowing full ahead of time that in 80 years I won't believe in him, and he uses disbelief as a justifiable farce to toss me into the pit.

He created an angel, knowing that that angel will become corrupted and rebel. He creates a test for Adam and Eve, again, knowing that they will fail so that he can use the fall as an excuse to doom all of mankind.

Thanks for hiding from me all my life, showing all the signs of non-existence, giving a rational mind to come to the conclusion that you don't exist, then when I die and find out you do exist, you burn me in Hell for being less that what you created me to be. How can we have free will if our actions can be predicted ahead of time?
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I think God is all-knowing and all powerful. (see below for the rest of my answer.)
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Anyone answer this: if you were God, where woulld you send an atheist like me?
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If I was God, which thankfully I am not, I would do the same thing God has done. I would give people a sign that I exsist and give people a choice as to whether they want to go to heaven or hell. If they wanted to go to heaven, they would choose to accept me as their Saviour and their one and Only God, or they can decided not to make that choice and they will go to hell. I would weep every time a person has gone to hell, but I would also Rejoice when a person decides to go to heaven.

In a nutshell: God has given you a choice. Because He wanted to give His children freedom of choice, it is up to us to decide whether or not we want to go to hell. I don't think wants to send us to hell, but I think He wants us to have the freedom of choice more. Which means, ultimately, it is up to us to decided whether we go to hell or heaven.

For example: A person straps a you a loaded gun, with the muzzle pointed toward your foot, and you have three choices. You can unload the gun and give it back to the person, whereby you get something VERY nice. Or, you can choose to not except Jesus as your Savior and only Lord, or you can choose not to do anything even if you know the day you die. In the last two cases, the gun would fire and the bullet would hit you in the foot, so in a sense, you have just shot yourself in the foot - although the eternal consequence will hurt so much more.
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Again, God already knows if we're going to heaven or hell. He's omniscient. He created me, knowing my genetics, environment, every influence, and every factor that will cause me to not belief, and he will use my non-belief as a justifiable farce to toss me into Hell. God seems more like an evil tyrant than a benevolent being.
Heh, just wait till you visit high-octane debate forums.
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God has loved you, He loves you, and He will always love you. It is up to you to choose whether or not you want to go to hell or heaven. If you have a feeling of emptiness inside yourself that you have tried to fill with things such as drugs, alcohol, or other things that caused the feeling of emptiness to go away for a while, then you are seeking God.

ON a less serious note, my previous post had more than 2700 characters, but this was including the bb codes such as this one:

Yes. This is the one thing I have against God, you just forgot the last sentence: Now if God is love, why would he create satan, knowing many people would be sent to hell.
I've thought about this for like, the last 8 years (7th grade or so) without any type of 'theory' for an anwser. However, recently, I was thinking maybe it had to do with freewill. See, if God would not create an angel without the capability to fall away from God, or if God would only make angels that would use their freewill to not rebel, would that really be freewill? If we couldn't fall away from God, would that be freewill?


YEAH! That's why carbon dating is used, right? All dating methods are flawed, you've seen my post earlier in... Ancient Questions I believe.

Omg... evolutionists always seem to talk about carbon dating, how they carbon dated the earth to be billions of years old or species X to be millions of years old... but it only works for >50k years? Then why the hell are they using it?
What, do you belong to some underground l337 evolutionary branch using superb technology? If carbon dating was somehow proven(lol) to be extremely accurate for >50,000 years, how would one go about making sure argon dating would only be accurate for >1,000,000 years? How could one ever be so sure... Because you know that this bone has to be 1.2 million years old and argon dating agrees with you, therefore, argon dating is correct? No, I'm sure that's not the reasoning involved with the whole "argon dating is such an excellent system" but the stupidity is probably about the same.


Time is only a human limitation. Time doesn't apply to God. Therefore, your actions are only predicted because God can already see the choices you will make. I really don't understand how you can get time confused with free will. If in 80 years you aren't a believer, that's the choice you made.

If you believe in evolution, shouldn't you just be a bit curious about the existance beforehand? Yeah, you can argue all you want with "oh! well, evolution only pertains to after the first cell was made," yet... that's not all the anwsers, is it? Somewhere in your theories or beliefs, time had to have equaled 0 at one point. Do you want to resort to logic and rational? The big bang theory isn't logical. Time didn't exist before the explosion? WTF? How can something happen without time. It's just one big stupid mess. The univserse simply can not have "always existed." That also isn't logical.

So... you're saying you believe in the big bang? Tell me, what was it like? Did it have 12 dimensions like some say or 1 dimension? Maybe 0.5 dimensions? Yeah... but beforehand, the 'time' dimension didn't exist though, right?

I'm sure you saw me say this earlier:
Evolution is a religion just like Christianity/Judism/etc is a religion. We both believe in our religion on blind faith. You're wrong if you think science somehow backs your faith.

If I'm wrong and evolution is right... I die and cease to exist, oh well. If I'm wrong and christianity is right... I die and go to hell for eternity... yeah... that would suck. Now I don't believe on that premisis and believing because "just in case" isn't really believing, none the less... I can afford to be wrong about evolution. You, however, can't.

Angels are the waiters with wings so that they can move faster and Adam and Eve were the beings who played in the beta version of Life. Things got really spicy when Eve ate the forbidden apple that wacked up the hardrive and blew up the garden so God had to re-create the game.



Yep, when God was building his great super duper fun diddly umpschous casino, he built bought a program to make a gaming world for the beings to enjoy, along with bingo and poker. As he was opening it, he spilled a bottle of coca cola on it and it exploded, but the progam still started and instead of creating a giant gaming board, it kept getting bigger and bigger. God decided to keep it since it was unique in its own way.

Thus, further proof that this is all a game and your real friends are up there making disasters happen to you.

That's not even logic, that's just stupid. "I'm Christian, I believe in God! Woohoo!" What about all the people who believe in other religions whole heartedly? You're stupid. Go yourself.

I wasn't going to respoond to these topics anymore but SA_Max linked to it and I'm interested in anything that allows me to procrastinate from doing my homework.

"here is a point in life
The point is to worship and serve God. For the christians out there... we were created to worship God. He also created angels to worship him as well. He gave us free will so we can make that decision on our own. On another note, i believe that there is life on other planets. There are lots of pictures that prove it. Some...maybe even more are all false, but some are true. There is footage on NASA and stuff. But yea...POINT IN LIFE...SERVE GOD."
So, Darkchung, what is the point in worshipping him?
Answer that and I'll throw another "What is the point of" at you. As I said, there is no self-justifying purpose, unless my views of the possibilities and properties of the universe, life, etc are completely and horribly distorted, to the point at which what is 'true' is something so out of my mind that it would be impossible for me to comprehend it.

And Pekkel, that is almost the exact same theory my brother told me once.
And I still say life is a game.
That is what I feel is the most, or atleast similar to, likely theory, and the one that I also hope is correct.
Most likely theory next to our existance being completely random and having no effect on anything because nothing matters since I could just keep asking the point in something until you have to admit that there is none, or until you decide that what I'm saying is blasphemous, and decide to close your mind to that which I have never seen any evidence against simply because you don't like the idea of it.
I see that kinda crap a LOT in other students at school...

Huh? There's no need for things to get ugly. I believe what I believe and whatever anyone else believes, they believe. And it is very logical.

Yo Sry for ur friend

According to this logic, sala, other people that believe in other religions are also stupid. And isn't atheisim a religion? In that case, at least according to your "logic" you are also uh, er... If I say it I most likely will get a warning .

Well if your going to eventually die, why do you need to try and act grown up, go to school to get so called "intelligence" or any of that, people should have a CHOICE of where to lead their lives. Heck, i bet if someone didnt go to school and learned on their own by whats around them, they'd be much smarter...

School takes away our child-hood, they incourage us to act older, but this is our only chance to have fun...

"Huh? There's no need for things to get ugly. I believe what I believe and whatever anyone else believes, they believe. And it is very logical."

Well, if you were referring to my response to darkchung, then I was merely pointing out that what he said in no way answers what I stated, and yet he says it as though it is fact, is true, cannot be untrue, etc etc, and that if I were wrong, then the truth is incompatible with my mind.

If you're referring to my response to you... err... I pretty much agreed with you, except for the fact that I stated that it's only what I believe is most likely out of any reincarnation, afterlife, and so forth idea about what happens after death.