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i believe there is no god and let me explain so u religious folks out there dont get all bent out of shape. Catholics/Christians/whatever u call urselves believe that jesus did miracles. therefore as proof jesus was ultamately God. However lets say everytime it rained, you were told it was because of elves. Then everytime it rained you would see proof of the elves. So everytim u see a miracle or something extrodinary like the virgin marys face or u almost got hit by a car u take it as Jesus. that is why i dont believe in god. im so screwed if he does exist.

No offence to any religious people here on SEN, But All this religion is a bunch of Bando Podo. If God wanted peace in the world, He would have stoped humans inventing Guns, Bombs, And other ways for humans to hurt each other.
Sorry again No offence but i think religion shoudl be banned. You can flame me or Swaer at me. But that will sovle nothing.

Yes, I dont belive in god or any form of religion.

Well, all these weapons we're making are by our doing. He doesn't want to stop of from doing what we're doing. Yes he wants peace, but he specifically said it was inevitable and will get worse. Only when he comes back will the world be in total peace

I wish people would stop thinking of a god in the Christian sense.

Christians are good at self-destructing their own religion.

What do u mean "self-destructing" their own religion?

Sorry for the late joinin', but I've only found this today.



That's the non-logic mode kicking in.
Normal just doesn't exist. There a re only different levels of abnormality. The level that gets most folks bounded to it, is the one supposed to be 'normal'. Same is appliable to civic morals.



Your usual stand depends mostly on geographic location, culture custom standards, etnic group and or religious group where you fit in (read pass most of your time).
For instance, to a Muslim eat pork is a sin. As it is for Jews. Can it be because in the old days, both those ppl new that it was a filthy animal (parasites, unsanitary for a few), instead of religious attributes that where written into books? Logic comes into play.
Some of [insert name here] religion models definetly need a serious work over (read updating), by my stance.



When you imagine things, it only becomes true after you executed that idea. See the artists work for example. A sculpture only becomes real after you putting it out of your head in a material manner. If you only keep that hypotetical idea, it will only be that. A concept.
I actually agree on this one.



In this paragraph, sorry but no can do. Those two,wisdom n' knowledge, are similars.
I particularly liked this from the above link on wisdom:


To me, they work in similar ways and may divert in the lack of facts or the kind of knowledge used to cast this 'wisdom'.



*Double sighs* Proof, please.



For all we know it could be (from the God inspiring view point thingy). But instead, how can you prove it? Please just don't make allegations that one thing simply is, especially when you're only makin' assumptions upon it.



That probably is due to extremists rising. Extremism either way from it comes simply isn't healthy, just not to mention it's an appeasing effort killer.
As Capt.Will said, open mind to accept others. You may not fully agree with it's opinion, religion, etnicity, whatever but you'll follow the friendly neighbourhood policy. Balance is, as almost always, the key.



It simply isn't all that black n' white doable. You can't change one person's mind from one day to another (except maybe when using brainwashing). I'm amazed on how you even suggested it.
For further details, see my 2nd paragraph reply to Capt.Will (stances depend on where you are).



Concepts drawn out from (religious) faith. Those aren't proven if happened nor even if they'll occur.
*Meh* There goes the allmighty status out the window. Sorry, but 'till proven he was even here in the 1st place I won't buy it.



Never did so. Tolerance is the key n' I agree with ya in this.

As for the providing motives to the christian religion self-destruct mode (by their own followers), I don't fully agree. This kind of loopholes happens through out many religions.
And how about muslim (or some others)? Afterall, they're killing each other over in Iraq. That wasn't foretold in Quran. Many folks distort it into their own agenda.
Want a better example? The saddor (vail in front of woman) or burka, not sure wich but prob'ly both, was in fact a measure spoken to be made by Mahomed. Purpose? He simply didn't want to be tempted by the gorgeous women that surrounded him at the time (a friend's woman, in particular).



Guess I ain't shootin' to far away in my previous reply (1st paragraph there). *Hint, hint*

It is a common misconception that God wants peace.

Don't all of these "religious" topics have no real conclusion? I don't really know what to believe in... I'm not just going to take someone's word for it. If there is a god (and for the sake of simplicity let's assume this god is a male) and he wanted us to worship him, why would he not show us that he existed? He must have created us idiotically if he thought so many of us would go off of blind faith. I mean, wouldn't intelligent creatures demand some proof? Some tiny itty bitty piece of evidence to suggest, concretely, that there is a god. With a lack of evidence I can neither confirm nor discard the idea of a superior power. I just hope some of you are intelligent enough to really think about your faith. If you can com to the conclusion that a god exists, good for you. If not, the same. But still, think about it. This deserves real thought.

Never touch into religion is my stand.

Well when you first start to believe in God, you would pray alot and just spend some quiet time with him. Eventually, you can sometimes experience him (not like those people in the Bible). If you truly believe in him, he will indirectly proof to you that he does exist. He will sometimes answer your (reasonable and good) prayers. And you just feel so Good all of a sudden when you've really accepted God.

There was a song I heard on a secular radio station...
I don't need no one,
to tell me about heaven
I look at my daughter and I believe
I don't need no truth,
when it comes to God and truth
I look at the sunset and I believe
I don't know for sure who sang it or what the song is called, but that's pretty much what it means to be a Christian. All these signs in the bible--you know, burning bushes and what not--were only a part of Christianity. Christianity was meant to be opptomistic, I think. The whole idea is to hold on to something safe until tomorrow when you can join your father in heaven.


In one perspective, this statement is very stereotypical. But for the most part, I would agree with you.

Aye, that they are. They are also very good at taking a struggling Christian and pushing them farther down.

I also recommend that ya'll check out the movie Saved. I almost wanted to throw something hard and heavy at the TV near the beginning, but it's an interesting perspective on Christianity.

I belive that there is a god. I am a christian, and I do not think that we christians are good to self-destruct the christianity. I want to argue like this:

Our whole time line is calculated after one persons birth. And that proves something about what he must have done.

And why is the whole US is controlled by the christians?

And a true little story I've heard:
At the 60's some scientist wanted to proof that the christianity was wrong. therefore they wet to Israel to check if the man Pontius Pilatus really had lived. (it was no other sources who said that except from the bible). When they were there digging they found a Theatre there. When they saw at the seats of honour they saw a seat wich pontius Pilatus's name was on.

The bible is a historical scripture who scientist rely on.

I don't have any arguments about the self-destruct thing, but i think that it is only the people outside who think that. Forgive me for my terrible language, but the clock is 01:00 AM here and I've got an exam in christianity tomorrow.

The girls I grew up with in youth group are superficial. They say prayers roughly the same as "Dear God, thank you for your son. Thank you that I can rely on you no matter what happens. I am so glad that i can see you working in my life in so many ways. Please be with me this next week. In your name, amen."

In theory, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this prayer. Except it's a lie. It's full of brainwashed dribble. I remember sitting in my small group, doing something called popcorn prayer; pretty much whenever you thought of something to pray about you say it for the whole group. The girls were all going "thank you for such a wonderful week" and that type. I said, "God, this week has really sucked, and I'm not even sure if you're watching me right now. I don't know what to do." It was said in a safe environment, right? Heh. A girl came up to me later and said how much my prayer ing offended her, and how I couldn't be so negative. She basically said that God only wants sunshine and daisies. I stopped going to youth group after that, but ironically it made my faith in God stronger.


It's just actions like that, and the bible thumpers. Some of my friends used to be christians until they saw how some of the superficial ones acted and they thought to themselves "wow. That's not me...I'll never become a christian." that's where I got the self-destruction from. It's all sad, actually.

That was exactly what I meant when I said that they self-destruct their religion.

A lot of people find conservative Christians an intolerable breed. Steadfast in their own views despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, they just enrage people that try to reason with them, especially when they put forward arguments that make no sense to a logical human mind, and when those arguments are put down, they make a statement to the effect of:

'I'm going to continue to take this old-fashioned perspective of God no matter what you say - you're wrong and I'm right despite all your evidence backing up your arguments and my utter lack of evidence to back up mine.'

That is the killer for Christianity.

I'm not religious, but I think people who are religious would benefit from Daoism, it would wipe off a lot of the violence.

The thing about christianity is, the atmosphere is very very different from the other religions. Lets say you walk into a buddhist or hindu library or place. It kind of makes you uncomfortable; all these weird statues with 3 eyed buddhas with beer bellys and these "scary looking" dragon/monster figures everywhere. The theming colors usually are red/black/other devil-like colors.

Whereas in a christian area, things are just so quiet and peaceful. The atmosphere is alot more friendlier and I dunno how to say it but it's just.... feels better for some odd reason.

Thats.... a Chinese restraunt -_-
Besides, red and black are devil colors if you are christian, what if someone else though Blue was a Death and Evil color? Same situation, also buddhist temples do NOT have statues of monsters and dragons, (Dragons maybe because they symbolize a helpful creature)

Daoism is the complete opposite of what you described though.

That's what I've been trying to somewhat 'teach' the fellas 'round here. 'Till proven, everything goes.



Actually, I also do the same for politics n' sports. But only at work places.



There goes the (nice) neighbourhood. That's due to faith n' please don't make me comment on wich kind of faith I'm starting to believe yours is. Nothing more, nothing less (faith stumbles upon evidence).



As for most religions, in my view. To hope for the best n' try to explain the unknowns throught the divine intervention. The optimist part I agree, for us at least have somethin' to grasp on when everything else lacks.
Now the divine to explain everything else, sorry. I won't buy into that.

As for the concept of heaven n' hell, I'll just say it's too much dichotomous for my taste. I'd prefer the Chinese version of many hells n' prob'ly many paradises. The joinin' part (after death), that I plainly don't believe. Heck, now I've must've doomed myself.



A seat with a name... nice. So what proof have you that that Poncius did what is said in the Bible?

As for the ending sentence... *Sighs*
For all we know it could be another book written, like the "Harry Potter"'s. I like'em but just for the fact that they're written, it doesn't mean it's true. It contains some factual truths (foods you can eat n' similars) but that just doesn't proves it happened.



Fully concur. Gladly my country isn't that driven by religious zealots. There are many communities in here (muslim, ortodox, catholic, jewish) and they get along nicely.
Perhaps the secret to this is that no one tries to stuff down their religion down other ppl's throats. (Compromise is the key, I guess.)



Heck, I call that another form of Atheism. Altough a nice one, through the oriental view point that is. In case anyone didn't know that where the ying-yang comes from.



Your 1st paragraph was well replied by Jet_Blast already... *Lmao*

About the 2nd one, my short answer is that the hidden key in there is the "odd reason". You're most used to see those religious references (read christian), so you feel somehow uneasy when you see any different. Tolerance my friend, tolerance. It really does wonders...
Look at my link just above to see what really Taoism is.

Just one question to you Basan.
Do you got any proofs against the theory that it might be a god?
And what do you have to lose if you belive?
If you belive in reincarnation then you will get a seond chance, and if you belive in islam i almost got the impression that you must blow yourself up to get to heaven. If you are a jew you must do that much that it is impossible to get to heaven. Sorry if any of you feels like I am a bit brutal against the other religions, but thats how it really is!

Key idea here is:

'Don't take religious books literally...'

Despite my repeated hints, nobody (on the religious side) seems to have taken this on board.

No, but you haven't a proof there, that he exists also.
But you're diverting or tryin' to from the real issue here. A seat isn't a proof that it was done in the 1st place. For all I care it could have been another Poncius, just not to mention that I don't recall seats being named after in those days.

Nothing to lose, just don't try to push your stuff onto other fellas as you're trying to do. To me is simple as this - No proof, everything goes. From Santa to the Sandman monster under your bead. Merely a concept.

As for the last paragraph, read my 1st reply to yours. Stereotyping n' tryin to impose your stuff (read opinions n' inferences) upon others counts a 'great' diddly squat in my 'book'. Btw, the muslims you were refering to are the fanatized ones. Not the majority of'em. The Quran preaches in similar ways to some christian principles. *Thank G... nevermind*
In the future get your facts straight, please.

You have to check that what you say is true before you say it, first of all, in the islam blowing up doesn't mean go to heaven.
The jihad is telling random low educated palastines that if they kill jews they'll go to heaven, because that way they make the world a more muslim world.
The explosives are just a tool given to them.
Btw, there is nothing written in the koraan (islami bible) about killing jews or christian, infect mohammed didn't wanted to kill them because they also believed in one god.
Yet when he died... everything got messy.
Now, if you are a jew there are just some simple rules they you must remember:
1. don't kill
2. don't steal
3. respect your parents
4. help the poor
5. don't warship statues
and five more which I don't remember (hey, I'm not religionist) but they go among the same pattern.
Also, you need to eat kosher - what means, no milk and meat at the same meal, no eating pig, some more... btw scientists checked and found out that eating kosher is healthier than eating whatever you want.

That's kinda all... oh, and beliving in reincarnation won't make you actually get a second chance, it'll just cause you to think you will.

Oh, seats would have been named in those days - the Romans plastered their names over everything possible so that it might live on after their death. A very proud people, those Romans...

It is very possible that Pilate's name was engraved on a seat for the following reasons:
1. He helped with the funding/building of the theatre and had his name in the 'credits,' as it were.
2. As provincial governor, he would probably have found an excuse to have his name engraved somewhere in the theatre.
3. He would have had a reserved VIP seat at any theatre. His local theatre would more than likely have engraved his name on his reserved seat in the privileged front row.

It doesn't prove anything though.

Didn't knew that Romans were narcisistic to that point (personal seats engraved). But wth, my point was made never the less.

Edit reason: I need to start using the spellchecked function more often when I have doubts. Darn typo! *Narcissism*

That's more tolerance than compromise my friend. Compromise would be something like a new religion that compromises on the beliefs, like Isjudianity.