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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Adam on 2004-12-23 at 19:41:15
I personally dont really believe in this stuff im not really a religious person. Whats your guys opinions about this subject??
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2004-12-23 at 19:47:38
We had a whole topic over this stuff.

http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=8339

my beliefs are there
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Camo on 2004-12-24 at 14:56:32
Buddhism is the closest to the things I believe in.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2004-12-24 at 16:05:35
Doesn't Buddhism teach that we can all be gods if we open our minds?

I don't subscribe to religion, but I believe that something intervened to create the Universe and natural laws.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2004-12-26 at 01:45:49
Don't spam and like I said b4 I don't believe in god but I do believe there was a Jesus but not as we think of him, like God's son, but instead as a person who just wanted peace for everyone and people like Roman Catholics (I believe) got scared of his influence over people and how quickly people were converting so they KILLED HIS ASS DEAD.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2004-12-26 at 04:10:58
There were no Roman Catholics in Jesus' time.

It was the Jewish High Council (I believe) that thought Jesus had risen above his station. Also, Jesus was a Jew.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2004-12-26 at 14:04:25
Captain Will I wrote that really late last night I was tired and didn't know what I was talkin' bout tongue.gif. I'm agnostic/atheist.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DrunkenWrestler on 2004-12-26 at 19:03:08
I have the same stance on God as I do for fairies, trolls, and elves. False until shown otherwise.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by pekkel_the_duck on 2004-12-31 at 03:35:13
In Buddhism, you are reborn after every life until you reach a state of 'nirvana' and are accepted to the next, happier life.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by notnuclearrabbit on 2004-12-31 at 06:22:00
QUOTE(DrunkenWrestler @ Dec 26 2004, 05:03 PM)
I have the same stance on God as I do for fairies, trolls, and elves.  False until shown otherwise.
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I agree with this, and many of the ideas of Buddhism.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-01-02 at 22:28:45
I am completely atheist. Things were cerated naturally. When you die, you die. Crap happens, get used to it. That's my stance.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by olaboy- on 2005-01-14 at 15:30:04
My parents are catholic and I guess that makes me catholic too, but we don't go to church often.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-01-14 at 16:21:48
My stance:

Quasi-Theist Philosopher.

I think it is ignorant to blindly accept that there is a god, and supremely arrogant to dismiss such a higher power.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-01-14 at 16:26:23
And yet, the only reason you believe to be a higher power is due to people thinking that a higher power exists for hundreds of years.

...Unless you're talking about aliens tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zycorax on 2005-01-14 at 16:36:12
I dont belive in god or something like that. Short: Im not religious.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-01-14 at 17:25:21
QUOTE(CheeZe(U) @ Jan 14 2005, 09:26 PM)
And yet, the only reason you believe to be a higher power is due to people thinking that a higher power exists for hundreds of years.

...Unless you're talking about aliens tongue.gif
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Nope - I was an atheist for a long time. I've only recently been philosophising about higher powers, and believing them to be credible if you use the right train of thought. I also believe in science as it answers questions, but am unsure as to whether it is suitable for answering certain types of question. Atheists and Theists are incredibly narrow-minded. Science and Belief in a higher power can co-exist peacefully - you just can't see it because you have subscribed to one school of thought - the one that believes that science has all the answers, and that it will answer all our questions in time.

Didn't you even read my lengthy showers of 'alternative' thought in the other topic?

You've completely closed your mind to the other school of thought for whatever reason - maybe it's because you've had bad experiences with religious types in the past. Maybe you've been swayed by the media bias towards science, maybe all of your friends are science types who would think less of you for being open to alternative views... I don't know.

Our education system teaches open-mindedness. I'm a product of that system.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2005-01-14 at 17:50:53
I dont believe in a human God because there are too many loopholes and paradoxes (created by man). The christian God for instance is a hypocrite.

God created man in his image, and then damns them for being less that what he created them to be. God knew that Adam that would take the fruit from the tree when he created him (being the omniscient all-knowing entity that he is). Now after he sets up a conspiracy, like a police officer intentionally planting cocaine in a person's car to frame him, God can now be blameless for any atrocities he inflicts on man.

As current im agnostic, I dont believe in human made Gods but I do believe there may or may not be a higher power. I dont however believe this "higher power" created the universe. Die hard Atheists and theists just seem funny to me.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-01-14 at 18:04:29
Actually, I'm quite aware of the fact that both can exist at once. However, the difference is, the side I'm siding has shown evidence while a higher power has shown none. That means, there is the same chance of god existing as pokemon, bigfoot, firebreathing dragons, or my action figure coming alive.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-01-14 at 18:18:42
Not the same apparent chance, just a similar amount of evidence of the possibility.

God, this has got to be about the 8th Evo vs Create/God vs No God threads to be made at SEN.

Personaly, I believe God doesn't exist, but if I see some strong and evident enough evidence(lol), I will gladly accept his existance.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-01-14 at 18:59:51
QUOTE(CheeZe(U) @ Jan 14 2005, 11:04 PM)
Actually, I'm quite aware of the fact that both can exist at once. However, the difference is, the side I'm siding has shown evidence while a higher power has shown none. That means, there is the same chance of god existing as pokemon, bigfoot, firebreathing dragons, or my action figure coming alive.
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Yes, scientific evidence. Something based on logic.

Are there other methods perhaps? One school of thought proposes that if you believe in something then it exists, simple as that. Of course, it only exists for you, but it is still in the Universe.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Mario.oO on 2005-01-14 at 19:21:25
i realy dont belive in god all that much
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-01-14 at 20:10:54
QUOTE(CaptainWill @ Jan 14 2005, 06:59 PM)
Yes, scientific evidence. Something based on logic.

Are there other methods perhaps? One school of thought proposes that if you believe in something then it exists, simple as that. Of course, it only exists for you, but it is still in the Universe.
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You're actually using circular logic. First, you say god cannot be comprehended by our logic and science. Now you ask for a new logic to be able to understand God. If that fails, will you simply tell us to look for a better one?

You're telling me to do something that cannot be done. Does a 2-Dimensional have depth? Will it ever have depth?

Also, don't tell me just because you believe in something, it exists. I have believed, for a long time, Santa Clause existed. Well, guess what? He doesn't. Or if he did, he's dead now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-01-14 at 21:42:58
No, because certain types of logic have already found 'god.'

Illogicallity, irrationallity - is just another type of logic. Of course, it's socially incompatible because 99.9% of us use 'accepted' logic (to a degree), so anyone acting in an extremely illogical and irrational way is regarded as mentally ill and gets locked up.

Maybe they're just seeing the Universe differently. (Yep, that sounds crazy)

A less extreme example of this can be seen with the way in which Westerners see things, and the way in which Native Americans see things. The Native American interpretation of the world is based on geometry and distances, for example, whilst ours is based on comparison with other objects. You cannot deny that different cultures see things in different ways.

Maybe some of these insane people have seen 'god.' We assume that it's all in their head. That's true - but that school of thought that I mentioned earlier, it says that because you think that something exists, it automatically becomes so. After all, are we not creating a character/object in our minds when we think of them? Even atheists, whilst formulating arguments against 'god,' have unwittingly created 'him.' Because something does not exist physically (I do not think that 'god' exists physically), does not mean that it does not exist.

I know you'll immediately reject this as philosophical BS, but at least I've tried to make you see that there are other views beside those of Religious Theists and Atheists. If you think about them deeply, maybe you'll realise that discounting things completely because they cannot be detected by scientific equipment is not the best course of action.

You can train yourself in a particular discipline; be it medicine, law or astrophysics, but you will never gain wisdom that way. Wisdom is totally different from knowledge of cold, hard fact, and is something that requires an open mind.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.ZeALoT.oO on 2005-01-25 at 22:26:16
Im not too sure what i think about god. in my opinion people probly just made him up, and religion because they had nothing better to do back then, and the religion could also be like a way for them to live... blink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-01-25 at 23:10:12
OMG ANOTHER JESUS FORUM. lets just say there is no god becuace everything is made out of science. the so called holy book is just a fake to make people beleive in one god and make people sane. but religion is not working its making poeple crazy and thats not cool at all. can everybody just be athiest for one day and see how it feels. im athiest and i feel fine no broken bone and no broken spirit.
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