Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2005-01-17 at 21:28:35
I've seen gay houses. Do you want me to like, go get my digital camera and go snap some pic's?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by .matrix//Merovingian on 2005-01-17 at 22:19:30
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Kinda hard not to be "biased" against muslims when, in their quran, it says "Kill all christians."[right][snapback]127284[/snapback][/right]
Uh, actually, it says in the Quran that Muslims should be respectful to all Christians and Jews and that they should protect them whenever possible. Since the Crusades, however, many Muslims have ignored that part of the Quran...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2005-01-17 at 23:09:16
Uh, actually, it doesn't.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html
Verse 3.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html
Verse 38-39 and most of chapter 8.
Wow. I didn't even know houses could have sex. Please do, get a picture!
I've never heard of horses being gay.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html
Verse 3.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html
Verse 38-39 and most of chapter 8.
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I've seen gay houses. Do you want me to like, go get my digital camera and go snap some pic's?
Wow. I didn't even know houses could have sex. Please do, get a picture!
I've never heard of horses being gay.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-01-17 at 23:50:55
OMG Why do u take the Bible literally? It's just a book that explains what God has done for us, and how we can go to heaven...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by .matrix//Merovingian on 2005-01-17 at 23:51:07
QUOTE(Quran @ Chapter 9, Verse 3)
YUSUFALI: And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.
PICKTHAL: And a proclamation from Allah and His messenger to all men on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve,
SHAKIR: And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.
PICKTHAL: And a proclamation from Allah and His messenger to all men on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve,
SHAKIR: And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.
QUOTE(Quran @ Chapter 8, Verse 38)
YUSUFALI: Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them).
PICKTHAL: Tell those who disbelieve that if they cease (from persecution of believers) that which is past will be forgiven them; but if they return (thereto) then the example of the men of old hath already gone (before them, for a warning).
SHAKIR: Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the ancients has already passed.
PICKTHAL: Tell those who disbelieve that if they cease (from persecution of believers) that which is past will be forgiven them; but if they return (thereto) then the example of the men of old hath already gone (before them, for a warning).
SHAKIR: Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the ancients has already passed.
QUOTE(Quran @ Chapter 8, Verse 39)
YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.
SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.
SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
I was too lazy to read all of Chapter 8. I must have been mistaken back there. Stupid world history classes...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2005-01-18 at 11:00:34
"Why would he" is a good enough anwser. He instituted marriage for a man and a woman to get married and have sex. Our *real* reproductive systems work together, not our anals which aren't meant for sex (do you even have a clue to how much damage you can do by anal sex?) Also, you mentioned it, it's how we reproduce. I could go on forever. It wasn't a stupid anwser, it was a stupid question. Maybe if you used your "free will" and looked at it more closely, you'll see that for yourself. So why would he? Give me a reason why he would hate straights. Nope, there is none. gg no re.
You know... HIV wasn't around forever. Perhaps, it was a new creation. It generally haunts druggies and homosexuals... which, hasn't been around too much either (as in popular).
Your logic is really flawed. I don't see how two people in marriage having sex aren't becoming one, with or without a condom. Are you trying to say a couple can't make love but can only have sex to feel good or make children?
Maybe you'll understand when you are older.
You know... HIV wasn't around forever. Perhaps, it was a new creation. It generally haunts druggies and homosexuals... which, hasn't been around too much either (as in popular).
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But people who perform sex with contraception aren't becoming one, they aren't making children, they're doing it for sexual plasure, to feel good. Gay sex is the same thing, albeit, a different manner of doing so.
Your logic is really flawed. I don't see how two people in marriage having sex aren't becoming one, with or without a condom. Are you trying to say a couple can't make love but can only have sex to feel good or make children?
Maybe you'll understand when you are older.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2005-01-18 at 14:45:55
QUOTE(IP)
"Why would he" is a good enough anwser. He instituted marriage for a man and a woman to get married and have sex. Our *real* reproductive systems work together, not our anals which aren't meant for sex (do you even have a clue to how much damage you can do by anal sex?) Also, you mentioned it, it's how we reproduce. I could go on forever. It wasn't a stupid anwser, it was a stupid question. Maybe if you used your "free will" and looked at it more closely, you'll see that for yourself. So why would he? Give me a reason why he would hate straights. Nope, there is none. gg no re.
You know... HIV wasn't around forever. Perhaps, it was a new creation. It generally haunts druggies and homosexuals... which, hasn't been around too much either (as in popular).
You know... HIV wasn't around forever. Perhaps, it was a new creation. It generally haunts druggies and homosexuals... which, hasn't been around too much either (as in popular).
You didn't answer his question, you just answered Jahakob's butchered respone to your "why." He was asking you if you would be able to stop being strait just because it was deemed wrong by god. EDIT: And "why" dosen't count.
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QUOTE(Theo Human)
But people who perform sex with contraception aren't becoming one, they aren't making children, they're doing it for sexual plasure, to feel good. Gay sex is the same thing, albeit, a different manner of doing so.
Your logic is really flawed. I don't see how two people in marriage having sex aren't becoming one, with or without a condom. Are you trying to say a couple can't make love but can only have sex to feel good or make children?
Maybe you'll understand when you are older.
You're the one who was talking about how the purpose of sex is to reproduce. You even mentioned it in this very post.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2005-01-18 at 19:55:00
Jahakob, learn to use quotes, learn proper grammar, and try to be just a little more intelligent.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-01-18 at 20:18:23
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I'm not against theism, but so far there's no scientific evidence that Christianity (or any religion, organized or not) holds any more credibility than, say, the idea that Earth was seeded with humans by aliens who wanted to broadcast our entire history as a reality show. Christianity could be right about everything, but I'm not going to believe it is (or claim it is to other people) unless it's been proven.
They had proof that Jesus Existed. The non religious historic people have documented of his presence. Now as i mentioned some months ago, the real questoin is whether jesus is the savior, a liar, or a lunatic. I really can't think of any other possibilities.
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Hey moron, I said you don't go trying to impress your religion on me. I've heard that "Christiany is right" and that bull , so I'm saying it's not. Just close this stupid topic. Who gives a what anyone else believes in?
Well that's very nice and mature of you. Really having no argument to present and just being pissed about christians. And even more, calling people by stupid names.
No we shouldn't lock this topic. There's much to discuss. That's what these forums here on SEN are for. No right or wrong answers.
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Oooo this is one thing I hate. That somehow, people try to justify their sin by saying it's part of their nature and they can't avoid it. Somehow, alcoholism is part of their genes and there's nothing they can do about it? Being homosexual is in your genetic code?
Bs. It's only part of your "nature" because you've been living in it for so long, it merged with your consciousness. When you were a child and you stole from the store for your first time, you know you felt kinda bad. It ate away at you. After a few more times, that bad feeling went away. Pretty soon, it didn't affect you at all. Soon enough, it becomes you.
Bs. It's only part of your "nature" because you've been living in it for so long, it merged with your consciousness. When you were a child and you stole from the store for your first time, you know you felt kinda bad. It ate away at you. After a few more times, that bad feeling went away. Pretty soon, it didn't affect you at all. Soon enough, it becomes you.
So you're saying Being Gay is a sin? Then we can just say being born White is a sin, being born blind is a sin, born deaf is a sin, born woman is a sin. People are born gay; they have some sort of weird genetic errors in their dna. It's not a choice they make.
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The same way I'm hoping to quit smoking cigerattes tomorrow?
Quitting smoking is much MUCH easier than quit being gay. Just take away ALL of the cigarettes in the world and eventually you'll get use to it's absense and find a replacement.
Being Gay is different. Even if you take away all of the people of your same gender away from you, it can prevent you from beiing with them and make love but it still doesn't change your mindset of being homosexual. Just like if you take all the bibles away from christians, it wont prevent them from believing in God.
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Uh, actually, it says in the Quran that Muslims should be respectful to all Christians and Jews and that they should protect them whenever possible. Since the Crusades, however, many Muslims have ignored that part of the Quran...
Apparently, the muslims have already failed and still are failing to redeem themselves right now. Attacking Jews in Israel/Palestine....
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OMG Why do u take the Bible literally? It's just a book that explains what God has done for us, and how we can go to heaven...
Not one book, MANY books.
I hate it when people refer to the Bible as "one book" written by "one man."
You're right that's what the Bible is really for but people are just trying to find everyway to prove the Bible's fallacity.
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You are rejecting the homosexuals as the muslims are rejecting you. The only difference there is, is that YOUR god is right and their is wrong, of course!
This is the last religious topic I will enter. Fanatics are stupid and conceited, you can't change their minds. This forum is proof enough.
"QUOTE(Theo Human)
What if God hated straight people? How would you stop being straight?
Why would he..."
Stupid, that is not an answer. How do you know, he maybe hates straight. The floodwave maybe was to punish straight people, maybe god HATES mankind (why wouldn't he?), and that is why he creates HIV. You don't have any proof and an arrogant "why would he..." doesn't explain anything, if you would use your free will you would understand why.
Of course mankind could not live on if everyone was gay. If everyone was murderers ( I am not comparing gay people to murderers ), if everyone was sterile. Be happy that you are different, gay or straight, we build the society. Not the hate mongers.
This is the last religious topic I will enter. Fanatics are stupid and conceited, you can't change their minds. This forum is proof enough.
"QUOTE(Theo Human)
What if God hated straight people? How would you stop being straight?
Why would he..."
Stupid, that is not an answer. How do you know, he maybe hates straight. The floodwave maybe was to punish straight people, maybe god HATES mankind (why wouldn't he?), and that is why he creates HIV. You don't have any proof and an arrogant "why would he..." doesn't explain anything, if you would use your free will you would understand why.
Of course mankind could not live on if everyone was gay. If everyone was murderers ( I am not comparing gay people to murderers ), if everyone was sterile. Be happy that you are different, gay or straight, we build the society. Not the hate mongers.
If you really have problems, leave. You shouldn't just be flaming people about their beliefs.
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Your logic is really flawed. I don't see how two people in marriage having sex aren't becoming one, with or without a condom. Are you trying to say a couple can't make love but can only have sex to feel good or make children?
Maybe you'll understand when you are older.
Maybe you'll understand when you are older.
People become "one" as in they become a family. A husband and Wife.
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Besides, it is a greater chance god is evil. More people are living a bad life, a poor life and often without chances to improve then people that are healthy and got money.
Hell no. All these "bad things" are because of Sin. He says we really shouldn't get bothered by what's happening in our life right now. Just believe in him and you'll get greatly rewarded in the afterlife.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-01-18 at 20:46:52
Hell, as far as I'm concerned Christianity is as much a hoax as Islam, or Judaism, or Daoism, or any other number of religions. My guess is that in two hundred years, it won't exist except in small groups. By the way, Darwin can fit hand in hand with Christiany, Judaism, etc. By the way if your god hated gays, he wouldn't have created homosexuality as he is so "loving" and stuff. Yet, at the same time, he appears to be so veangeful and bloodthirsty. If he does exist as is stated in the bible, he is the universe's biggest assh0le.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2005-01-18 at 22:56:10
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They had proof that Jesus Existed. The non religious historic people have documented of his presence. Now as i mentioned some months ago, the real questoin is whether jesus is the savior, a liar, or a lunatic. I really can't think of any other possibilities.
I never said they didn't have proof that Jesus existed. I agree with just about everybody that he did exist. But I don't agree when people claim that he was divine in any way, shape, or form. Christianity is about his divinity, not whether or not he existed.
I'm getting tired of this misconception the anti-gay people in this thread have. Let me state the facts once and for all: Being gay is not a choice. Claiming that it is shows that you are ignorant of what being homosexual means. If someone can choose who they are attracted to, they are not homosexual.
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Your logic is really flawed. I don't see how two people in marriage having sex aren't becoming one, with or without a condom. Are you trying to say a couple can't make love but can only have sex to feel good or make children?
Maybe you'll understand when you are older.
Maybe you'll understand when you are older.
Marriage is not a religious circumstance. It is a legal condition. If marriage belongs to Christianity, do you deny the validity of 90% of the marriages on the planet? I bet you don't. If you choose to apply a religious connotation to your marriage, that's perfectly all right. But don't claim that Christianity somehow is the authority on the concept or idea of marriage. It's been around way longer than Christianity, and probably will still be around long after Christianity is gone. What about arranged marriages? Do you deny their validity because the two people being married aren't becoming "one", or whatever mystical mumbo-jumbo terminology you want to tack onto it? Marriage is legal, not religious, and doesn't necessarily have to do with love or sex or anything of the sort.