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Alright, I know that "Oh, God made Earth with that" logic will probably ruin my point, since some people are superstitious dumbasses who believe in something that's logically flawed, but, here it is: If the world is only 4500 years old or so, then what about fossil fuels that take millions of years to form? Oh, and what is free will if time is theoretically unchangable, therby what you're going to do could be on a file in the future that would indisputable, as it would be history? And why do so many Christians claim God dislikes homosexuality, yet it's never directly written anywhere in the Bible, and Jesus' message, (supposedly from God), is that to forgive others, and to turn the other cheek? How can anyone adamantly say "I read the Bible, I think God is real and he hates homosexuals, so let's ban homosexuality!"? Why doesn't anyone understand the difference between something subjective and something objective? Why can't Christians just except that maybe they're wrong, and maybe people don't want to be converted. Yes, I know, I'm generalizing, I know some Christians are nice and accepting, but if anyone tells me that "Love the sinner, hate the sin." bull , someone's getting a broken jaw. Well, I wrote this alittle pissed, so it's a little, eh, bad. By the way, does anyone know what my gender is? I'd like to see what this makes you think about me.

I think that ur a guy and ur gay...

Ewwww.... okay, plz don't take the Bible literally. That's one thing, and another thing, I just think that Gay marriage is just wrong using common sense. Isn't marriage's main reason to become one? Male and Female are pieces of a puzzle that go together. That's how they crate kids. You cah't do that with same gender... so it's just wrong...

Please see my latest posts in the other topics on God and theism (Yes, there are 2 others!) before you come charging in with typical atheistic arguments...

I proposed that 'logic' was not necessarily the only way of looking at things, and that illogicallity and irrationallity are simply other forms of logic.

If you don't believe in any sort of god but have a view of the 'afterlife' that goes against scientific opinion, you're an atheist bordering on agnostic.

I'm an agnostic bordering on theist. I don't believe in a god in the Christian sense (or other mainstream religious sense), but I do have quasi-theist beliefs about natural law and the origins of the Universe etc.

Since you're ranting about christianity, I'm assuming you've read the bible.



Time is man made. I fail to see what that point has to do with christianity.



I'm very much against homosexuality, as I am against lying and stealing. All sins are equal afterall. If god made humans to reproduce, than what sense does it make for two guys to mate? And it is in the bible. Bathsheba, perhaps. Let me look it up. I'm spelling it wrong, and can't find it right now, but I know it exists. Give me awhile.

As for turning the other cheek...what does that have to do with your point?
A scenario:
A christian gets in an argument with an athiest. The athiest smacks him. The Christian is supposed to turn the cheek and say, "Hey. You missed a spot." Well. Perhaps not so sarcastically...but that's the best I can do.


Well. That's my philosophy on life.
Care to explain a bit deeper?

I think that it would be funny to see what some of you would think if suddenly you stopped liking girls and you liked guys

PS: Its not my case, ok?

"Wow. You're good. But a bit off. Bi."
lolz


Homosexuality is a sin? Well, so God is arbitrarily biased against some of his own creations merely do to their preferences? Well! In that case, maybe we interpreted him wrong, and should start abusing Blacks again! Apparently, anyone who thinks "All [people] are born equal!" is wrong, right? Oh, and since you don't like the same foods as me, which differentiates us, that means that you're inferior to me, and such preferences are a sin, thus you must be punished.

I like guys...

EzDay, you are a genius. I just watched Inherit the Wind. It's a movie about the Scope's Monkey Trial, or Kentucky Vs. John Scopes (I believe it is Kentucky). I think the religion Christianity is just that - a religion. It's just another belief carved up thousands of years ago to explain the then-unexplainable. It was one of thousands of others very much like it. It contradicts itself in dozens of places. Sure, there might be a superior race or thing, but Christianity is not it. It has little scientific backing, and the "evidence" that exists can explain something entirely different. I think you should be allowed to believe what you want - it's what makes you human. But do not go trying to force your beliefs on me or I will do the same to you.

Maybe god did make the world like that. However, maybe not. We can create diamonds, can we not? Using an extreme amount of pressure, we can make something rather quickly that would have taken years upon years to make. Now, when the flood came and killed lots of animals / humans, we had a lot of dead corpses which probably got buried when the land masses changed.


Sodom and Gomorrah
Leviticus 18:22
And the most simpliest and unavoidabe: You aren't supposed to be having sex unless it's within marriage. Marriage is defined in the bible as man and woman. You brought up condoms... No one would have to worry about diseases if everyone would live according to the bible.


Such as? Are you talking about asexual animals like worms?
Because if there is like a male and a female within an animal species...
And the animals all have sex on a homosexual basis...
I don't think those animals will survive too long.
Anyways, we aren't animals.

I have a lot of problems with what you just said but...

What do you mean by that?

Ah... that does look a little weird. What I meant was, if everyone didn't have sex until they were married, diseases wouldn't have much success on spreading around. You wouldn't have to worry about catching something from someone simply because you wouldn't be having sex with a bunch of random girls.

I'm sure it's all "subjective," but, I'm pretty confident that all God's laws/rules/etc are only in our best interest. An old testiament law was not to eat pig and unclean animals. Well, back in their times, someone said they didn't have the proper techniques to cook the animals thoroughly anyways. Perhaps, even in the seemingly silliest rules, there's an underlying purpose you just don't understand.

*hits head against desk repeatedly* thanks for twisting my words. It means a lot to me. I really hate preaching fire and brimstone. But well...I'm through playing nice.

God hates lying.
God hates adultry.
God hates stealing.
God hates homosexuality.
God hates jealousy.
God hates human nature.

God doesn't like anything you or I do. It's by his mercy we are still here. Hell, he could wipe you off this planet at any moment, but he sees past a few sins to something else. Perhaps you should learn about doing that.

If God can see past "a few sins", why can't you guys? You're condemning each other like crazy over here. If homosexuals want to get married, let them. "See past it". Or are you really not as loving and forgiving as you want be be percieved? You're not "saving" anybody by not allowing them to get married. According to you, they're damned anyway for being homosexuals, so why not let them at least have some happiness before being tortured eternally?

Religion is an outlet for people's fears and uncertainties. If they have a problem with a concept, and their reasoning is irrational, religion allows them to justify themselves so they won't have to change their comfortable beliefs.

If all sins are equal, why are some criminals executed and some just incarcerated? Is killing someone the same as taking a child's lunch money? Hell, no. If it isn't our place to judge others, why do we have prisons? Would you prefer a world without them?

The biggest problem I have with the Bible is how people choose to interpret it. When someone says "OMG the Earth was made in 6 days because God's concept of time is different than us, it was actually billions of years", they're taking the Bible metaphorically. When they say "Marriage is between a man and a woman", they're taking it literally. You can't have it both ways. That's the problem with interpretation, you can make the Bible say whatever you want it to say if you dig hard enough.

If God hates homosexuals, why did he create them? Homosexuality isn't a choice, it just happens. Not very fair, eh?

We'll all burn, apparently, just for being human. Not one of you can tell me you haven't committed a sin. If God forgives us for stealing, then he'll forgive the homosexuals for being gay, too. As long as all sins are equal in God's eyes.

I personally believe that all people are bisexual, just some people tend more towards males and some more towards females.

Listen, you can leave your bull wherever - here, we're all equal. We're all human. I bet you hate mentally challenged people for their flaws. What about a hermaphrodite? Do you hate them too? Every freaking religion is biased against every other religion. That is why America has and should continue to ban religious activities from anything funded by state. It only creates pain and misery. You want to worship it? Fine. Just not where you can hurt others. Because to anyone not of your religion, that's all you do. I guess you'll burn in Hell for bringing this pain among people. If your god was so forgiving, why the HELL does he send people there in the first place? If he is all-powerful, why doesn't he squash another of your imagined characters - Satan? Why the hell do you call him a "He" anyway? If anything, it should be a "She" for another of your imagined ideas - giving birth to the human race. I mean, if things conformed with one another, men would be giving birth. You fanatics think that your god is the answer to everything. I say it's the answer to nothing. Nothing at all. Sure, I believe in something out there, and for the sake of simplicity I call it a god, but it is not your god. My god is more of a logical theory. Your's is a figure that's chock full of contradictions, bias, and hatred. Thank you but no, I'm sticking with my god.

God doesnt like sin, but that doesnt mean he hates us. We're still here because he loves us. All we gotta do is ask for forgiveness of our sins and things will be cool


Being homosexual really isn't a sin. Some people are just made that way. Born Blind, born deaf, born disabled, born gay, etc. Being homosexual is something people can't help so it's not really a sin.


Religion is an outlet for some people's almost everything. Whenever they feel alone, hurt, happy, they usually turn to God and pray sometimes.


Sin is sin. No matter how much you sin or how little you do, a sin is a sin. Just like if you win a car race. It doesn't matter how much you win by or how close you win by, a wins a win.

And yea, According to the Bible, God asked us to discipline each other in certain cases. Guess that's what prison is for...


Yea, his one day is like our millennia. You're right people take the bible too literally. That's why some ppl think it's just full of bs. These guys who wrote these books lived in like the BCs and first 50-100 years of the AD. The way they talk or express their thoughts are pretty different from how we interpret them. And since the Bible was translated from Hebrew into whatever languages we're reading it in, you might not always get the right or best translation.


Right, every human being is boring unique with unique things about them. As i mentioned above, some people are just born with disabilities and wierd things.


What proof do you have that God hates you? Being bisexual does not make God hate you. God never hates people. He just feels sad for them if they do the wrong stuff or try to anger him.


Life IS a living hell. We're all burning right now... Some to more extreme than others though.


In response to some of the questions you have asked up there...

We're all sinners, we're SUPPOSE to go to hell. But since God IS forgiving, he gave us the chance to be able to go to heaven (which is to believe in him, simple). He doesn't want us all to be robots; people with no mind or will of their own. He wants us to freely choose to accept God, not just make us like servants where we automatically have our minds set to worshipping God.

And God said he is our Father, not our mother. That's why we call him "he" not "she."

And if you really have a problem with christianity, just stfu and keep your opinions to yourself. What right do you have in barging in on us and accusing us of what a terrible religion we choose to follow. If you want to take it out on somebody, take it out on someone else, perhaps those people who actually tried to convert you. No one here on SEN is trying to convert or damning you. Giving your opinion about christianity is fine, but flaming us religious people is not fine.

I'm not burning .

I come to the conclusion that Christianity is a big con, but there is a possibility that God exists.

Nice and simple.

I'd be interested to know if the Christian bashers operating here are anti-organised religion or just anti theism.

Anti-organised religion, for the most part.

I'm not against theism, but so far there's no scientific evidence that Christianity (or any religion, organized or not) holds any more credibility than, say, the idea that Earth was seeded with humans by aliens who wanted to broadcast our entire history as a reality show. Christianity could be right about everything, but I'm not going to believe it is (or claim it is to other people) unless it's been proven.

Hey moron, I said you don't go trying to impress your religion on me. I've heard that "Christiany is right" and that bull , so I'm saying it's not. Just close this stupid topic. Who gives a what anyone else believes in?

Oooo this is one thing I hate. That somehow, people try to justify their sin by saying it's part of their nature and they can't avoid it. Somehow, alcoholism is part of their genes and there's nothing they can do about it? Being homosexual is in your genetic code?

Bs. It's only part of your "nature" because you've been living in it for so long, it merged with your consciousness. When you were a child and you stole from the store for your first time, you know you felt kinda bad. It ate away at you. After a few more times, that bad feeling went away. Pretty soon, it didn't affect you at all. Soon enough, it becomes you.


Kinda hard not to be "biased" against muslims when, in their quran, it says "Kill all christians." Catholism is so easy to rip apart their own religious scriptures that they somehow managed to add into the bible's basic doctrine.


The same way I'm hoping to quit smoking cigerattes tomorrow?


Why would he...

If an animal specie was purely homosexual, I don't see how they could survive. But then you switch it to bisexual half way through. Give me specific occurances, because, other than your dog which humps EVERYTHING (including your leg), I don't know of any homosexual animals off the top of my head.