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You respond to this by the reasoning of "anything that can happen will happen". While true, humanity will eventually be destroyed, that doesn't mean I should stop doing what I'm doing right now. I live for the future. So I will use all of my power to prevent the destruction of mankind with my power. Once my power is gone, I only hope others will try.

So, while the destruction of mankind is inevitable, that doesn't mean we shouldn't stop trying. That's like saying simply because I'm going to forget everything anyway, there's no point trying to learn Algebra. But we do. For a reason. To help ourselves.

Is it really a reason, CheeZe, even if all living things in the end will cease and lack memory. What psychological comfort can you get from doing good.. if you know what you have done will be forgotten.

What good does anything existant good to help others later in nonexistance??

For all of your questions. Yes. It is. And you can't refute that.

So I tend to not think about stuff happening after my death.

Yep, you're 100% right. If you believe that helping others, even though afterwards all you have done will be nonexistant, is a legitmate reason, then my argument fails.

Although I may believe it is not a legitimate reason with my evidence shown, there is no more evidence I can push upon you to disprove you. You have looked at the evidence and still decided that "yes that is reason enough to stay existing".
That is your choice; there is no more I can do. You win. 

Thats funny seeing as how you exist too. I suppose you have looked at the evidence and decided that "yes that is a reason enough to stay existing". However, that's not an argument against your argument, I just find it amusing.

The word assuming means presupposing that something is true.  That does not me I actually BELIEVE it.
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I have always and will always believe there is no god, hell, heaven etc. and that we either cease to exist. I mean i hate that argument about god and faith... what bullblam. Some RB (Religion ) tried to get me believe in it by saying there has to be a god because you can't make something out of nothing and then he said he proved it mathematically with 1 + 0 = 1 meaning god exists or some bullblam. I then said what about taking 0 then adding 1.... you just got nothing from something. Then he's like we were created by a creator. So i said "Who created the creator? You said you can't make something from nothing." So BAM served him right there, he shut his mouth and hasn't said a word of religion to me since. RB's Served: 1. NOTE: If all you have to prove god exists is "faith", don't even bother starting an argument with me on that subject. Enjoy life to the fullest as much as you can. Forget about a big brother to help you. All we have is eachother and obviously the world hasn't realized that yet.

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The point is, peopl who hide behind religion fail to use logic. Which is why I have my own religion, but live in the real world, and not behind my religion.

I used to think that exact way when I was younger.  During that time though I was always depresed, was into drugs, drinking you name it.  Suicide crossed my mind almost everyday for 3 years, then something happened...I found God, my whole life changed and continues changing everyday. 

It seems like the person you were debating with failed to use the one thing that would back him up, which is the bible.  If you think the bible is full of b.s. then do you believe what you read in history books?  History books and the bible talk about the same thing...the past. Just something I wanted to point out.

There is nothing I can say to sway your mind one way or the next, its not the intention of my post.  The only thing I can is that my life drastically changed for the better and gets better each and every day.  Its just something you have to experience to understand.  Hopefully one day you will see clearly and find God for yourself, I don't think anyone is a true follower of christ unless they find him on their own.  Once you find him and start living with him you will see results, but only if you are sincere.  Until then, I pray for you. 


I find this to be a false statement. Some of the most logical people were religious. It depends on your veiw of logic though, to me its logical to believe in God but some one else it isn't. That is a different point of veiw, not an absence of logic.
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When you see a story in a history book talking about a guy that came back from the dead, you don't take it as it being true. It's gonna require a little more proof than just a history book. Especially one that was written over a thousand years ago, and is claiming extrodinary things like this.

Burden of proof is universal; read our old threads please.
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God/allah/whatever you might believe or not believe, has clear effects. People who are believers are more hopeful and stuff, but problems? Well, they pray alot, and take up valuable time doing things to serve this god, who might not even be real.

But lastly, it is logical to believe in god. It is LITTERALLY a good bet, and I can prove it with Pascal's Wager is anyone wants me to.
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This ancient argument is known as Pascal's Wager. The problem with it is it doesn't say which religion to worship (I could make up one right now and apply the argument), and it makes God look like an ironfisted tyrant. Not to mention that atheism could be the correct position that will get you saved.

What kind of benevolent God that hides from me all his life, is totally elusive and quiescent, showing no signs of existence, and using the power of reason which he supposedly gave me I come to the conclusion he doesn't exist, and he sends me to Hell for being no less than what he created me to be? That's like dying and finding out God is really a giant fish and anyone who has ever tasted fish is tossed into the pit. No warning signs, no heads up, just a farce used as a justfiable reason to send you into a lake of fire.

And if God would let those who worship out of greed for immortality in lieu of sincerity, that would mean that God endorses the intellecutally dishonest. How would you then know God is an honest being? Maybe the Bible is a lie and God only uses it as a test and only lets atheist into Heaven. So join the dark side, because you have nothing to lose and everything to gain!