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I have always and will always believe there is no god, hell, heaven etc. and that we either cease to exist. I mean i hate that argument about god and faith... what bullblam. Some RB (Religion ) tried to get me believe in it by saying there has to be a god because you can't make something out of nothing and then he said he proved it mathematically with 1 + 0 = 1 meaning god exists or some bullblam. I then said what about taking 0 then adding 1.... you just got nothing from something. Then he's like we were created by a creator. So i said "Who created the creator? You said you can't make something from nothing." So BAM served him right there, he shut his mouth and hasn't said a word of religion to me since. RB's Served: 1. NOTE: If all you have to prove god exists is "faith", don't even bother starting an argument with me on that subject. Enjoy life to the fullest as much as you can. Forget about a big brother to help you. All we have is eachother and obviously the world hasn't realized that yet.

Sorry if i went off subject or something and sorry for the rant. Had to get it off my chest, and it is 6:05 AM lol G'Night or should I say G'Morning.

BTW: Reading your sig makes me think of either Resident Evil series or Half-Life 2. Crowbar from HL2 and conserving ammo and the fact you can't drop guns in HL2 leads me to believe it is RE. Sorry for that analysis too lol.

Why I want to live:
-To accomplish things not so I can be proud of them, but because other people can.

Wait, shape, you wanted to kill yourself? Y'ever think people might be sad y'died?

Anyways, I don't know what happens when I die. I just dont wanna die, for fear I'll go to hell, or the possibility that there is no hell or heaven, and I'll fade to nothing.

When you die you won't even know that you died because you're dead. You shouldn't care if you die, because you really wouldn't know it, because you are dead. Therefore you shouldn't fear death.

Yeah, but MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY WOULD KNOW IT, and they would CARE if i died, so thus, I should fear death.

No... just because others will be SAD that you are dead, doesn't mean you should be AFRAID of death. It doesn't make sense. I wouldn't be afraid, I would just AVOID death.

Good luck dodging death when your 97 (if you make it that far).

... That's not the point. Wow. The point is instead of being afraid of death, just try to avoid it. What, you're going to be afraid of death when you are 97?

I wont live to see 97 and I know it, maybe 80 something but i'll never make it to the 90s. My body gets too :censored:ed up as it is with weird thigns that probably dont even matter...uh I just confused myself, brb...( *Currently bashing head to relieve stress, be back in 5 minutes )

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P.S, Looking for a counter argument.

I could care less if I died, I mean oops your dead game over gg no rm. NOW if its a prolonged death, as in torture of some sort or something, ya then I will care. Like those beheadings in Iraq, I mean the ones after the first beheading knew the terrorists were going to kill them painfully... why not fight back even if you get killed. A gun shot is faster then a knife to the throat.

@ Snake: I CAN TYPE IN CAPS LIKE THIS TOO.... ITS NOT GETTING MY POINT ACROSS ANY BETTER THEN IF I TYPED IN LOWERCASE LETTERS.

@ Euro: I CAN BE AN wonderful friend LIKE THIS TOO.... ITS NOT GETTING MY POINT ACROSS ANY BETTER THAN IF I USED CORRECT GRAMMAR.

You're friends and family are sad. In eighty years, they'd all be dead and therefore lose all their memories, happy and sad.

Umm.. Do you know what a generation is? Why are you looking only at old generations? Why not new ones?

Meh?

I'm not afraid of death itself, but of dying.

True, you fear pain not death.
And what do you mean old generations, Cheeze?

actually snake your point does get across better with correct grammer, then people won't think your such an idiot and would take you more seriously. Ever notice those people ( you probably haven't ) who never raise their voice yet can wlays get their point across and prove you wrong? Ya my step-mom is one of them. She has never raised her voice at anyone that I know, and so far she's made a couple of them feel like one of Jerry's kids.

My veiw has always been that life is completely and utterly pointless. We go nowhere after we die, at most we'll go into a grave and be eaten. This may seem like a very depressing veiwpoint, but I'm, perfectly happy with it.
Either way it makes no difference, if you really want to except the fact that there is nothing after this, then go ahead and end it. But I have the rest of a life to live.

Life is worthless, but worth is in the eye of the beholder.

thats an entirely unslefish view if i've ever seen one...


I can do it in real life...unfortunately the skill doesn't transfer to the computer *feels sad inside now*

*back to original post* yes, man has always feared the unknown. for isntance look at darkness, people dont like it becuase they cant see in it so they dont know as easily whats coming. the reason people fear the unknown is becuase they dont have power to influence it or control it in anyway becuase it's (no brainer here) unknown and being such no known mechanism of control can be used agaisnt it. this can also be seen in the desire to see the future because people want to know whats coming, also this can be associated with the want to travel into the past so that you could change the present and control it. there is another reason why humans inheritly fear death, not only is it unknown but it also represents the ultimate lose of power, being dead you no loner have the ability to control anything.

The instinct for control over one's environment is present in almost all aspects of life. for instance this struggle and want to control your surroundings can be seen in the very concept of this forum. 1) the want to force yourself to be a wiser, better person then you currently are by partaking in discussion of seriose content 2) and more subtly the want to control the way others think by controlling discussions that are some of the most highly personal.

*ranting from here on out that is off topic but makes sense with what i ahve just posted above dont have to read becuase doesnt pertain to our discussion about the end*
now imagine that you put all these people into a area where they could try to force their control onto other peoples opionions and having them openly be able to do so. now imagine that all these people are trying just as hard as eachother to change one anothers ways to be their own. imagine all these people attempting to exert control over eachother. what would be the result? well you don't have to imagine becuase you can see a live sample here in this very forum. The natrual tendency with all this conflict occuring would be to yell and scream at one another, in this case flame.... it's not like we've ever seen any of that hear in this very forum? (irony becuase i'm semi doing it myself with this statement [ more irony in the fact that im telling you im doing it becuase i'm semi flaming myself...etc]) so I ask myself what would the more civilized tendency be? what would actually lead to productive discussion that could actually benefit people?

well for one people could not automaticly assume that everyone else is a moron that they are talking to (this is the one i have trouble with). Another thing that could help would be people who wouldnt necisarilly give their own views credit where no credit is do. I.E. syaing that your argument doesnt have a problem when it obviously does. another thing that would help is that when a opinion or statement is made, information and logical arguments are used to back up these opinions instead of the classical stupid argument "it's that way because". now although these opinions shouldnt have been made in the first place if they dont have proper support you cant discredit them unless there is a obviose flaw in them or a flaw that is made obviose by logical argument.
*end rant which was totally off topic*

I personally beleive in god for reasons i dont want to go into at the moment, so i do beleive in heaven and hell so I cetainly about death and life. but i cant disprove atheism so again i can see the point of view of people such as Euro. one quick note for those who are atheist out there, dont miss judge those who are religiose with those who are evangelical (i.e. are always trying to convert you to their religion). one of the sad things about those who are evangelical is that they are most often the ones least fit to do the job of convincing others. all the smart ones relize that it cant easily be done but they at least could put up a good argument, while all those who are ost often trying to convert others are to dumb to relize this point. of coure there are some exceptions but i dont think euro meet one of those.

also, kow what do u mean your not afraid of death it's self but of dying?

Ugh...Rant time.

I belive that when you die there are a couple possibilities as to what happens.


First off, religion is bullsh*t. There is no heaven. There is no hell. Religion is the same thing as Santa Claus.

Black and white, good and evil. Nothing new here.
So heaven and hell are out of the picture.

Secondly, there is the possibility that it is like sleeping without dreams. What is that like? Nothing. Blank. Zero. Null. Try it and see what it's like and there you go.

And thirdly...there is the theroy that you just ... Hm, how to explain it. Right now you feel your body, breathe, your temperature...things only you can feel. When you die you immediatly pass on to another human. Why another human? Because most animals don't have the brain capacity to feel these things. So, now you feel these persons memories, feelings, etc...And you have no idea of a 'past life' etc..
I guess it's kinda like reincarnation.
I really don't know how to explain my thoughts on this one, but...whatever.

What you said was basically Hinduism's belief of reincarnation

Death could be the same as before you are born How did you feel then?

Wow, reincarnation would involve souls (What YOU are) wouldn't it? Everything doesn't have to have a cause (About God Being created).. anything with a beginning needs a cause. God never began, he was always there.

I love this constant thing about god. What makes him perfect anyway? Do you really know or are you guessing? Did you read it from somewhere? The bible perhaps? Well, luckily, it doesn't explain anything so I'm not convinced. Therefore, you saying that is a really weak arguement.

I was actually strong believer of Souls, but after carefully thinking about it, I'm more in the "not sure" zone right now. So... I guess all of my answers will be answered once I'm dead. Which, I won't know if it's answered, but, they will be. :/