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In my view:
God->The being of immense power who catalized the Big Bang.
Heaven->Location:Unknown.Scope:place where the souls of the good go(in all religions there is a heaven and i think its one and the same).
Hell->Location:Inner Core(most likely)of the planet Earth.Scope:Place where all the souls who have proven sadistic in nature go.
Eden:Location:Africa(80% sure).Scope:Birth place of modern man.

Now i can say this about all the major religions in the world:All religions have a supreme god(ex:Allah,God)and various demi-gods(ex:Angels,all the saints[whatever you guys might say this is the truth christian saints and angels r equvilant to islamic or hindu demi-gods])and all religions have the rightious going to a holy place where their souls rest.Now you can't really call this a fluke so i can draw this conclusion:There is a God and there is a Heaven or Hell out there it just depends on how you call it and by this all religions on Earth not only have grounds but also have their right to continue to exist.Man only has to learn one thing:Indiferent of race,hight,build,look,belief or social status all men r equal.

No..?

Buddhists, Taoists, followers of Shinto, they have no God. There are no gods involved at all.

Major religions i meant but even those religions you mentioned have some explanition for where souls go tough seems wierd that they do not have a god.

Buddism is considered a major religion. Do research.

1/many. Name more than which ones that DO have a supreme God.

The point of a religion is to give something to believe in.

A supreme being is easy to believe in, so supreme beings are part of most religions.

Didn't know illusions were feelings. So the laughter from joy I emit when watching The Boondocks is an illusion? I thought it was real.
By the way, isn't this thread to discuss specifically the truth of the "bible" or not?
And obviously since they use excerpts(mispelled that) from the christian bibles, I'm guessing this is a discussion on the truth of THAT bible. Not any of those other religons correct? Should I count all the posts that were off-topic? No cuz my point is evident, many(or all) of you arn't discussing reasons on why or why not the bible is true. And you're debators, I'm askin for a thread lock please, this is disgraceful(also mispelled). *Begs for a lock*

~Tdnfthe1
(Sorry for the "flaming" I'll be more cautious of it)

I'm sorry if I'm off-topic, but I have to say this.
Yes, it's all an illusion. Why should a guy getting kicked in the nuts make you laugh (or whatever does)? It shouldn't. Why should, thought this is a tad inapropriate, masturbating give you pleasure? It shouldn't.

illusions...? emotions aren't illusions
when you see someone get hit in the balls, it makes you filled with overwhelming happyness and excitement, which makes you laugh
:errm: .....masturbation gives you pleasure because the sensations that you get from it create hormones that make you feel pleasure

I believe Shapechanger is speaking of the way that people convince themselves that they're content with their superficial corporate lives.

Why in the Hell should seeing another suffer make you happy?
Happiness ought to come from helping others, or accomplishing something. But where do we get our happiness?
Sex.
Reality Shows.
Etc.
Sensations shouldn't make you happy! I can understand the evolution to bait sex with sensation to encourage reproduction, but it really should not be pleasurful to masturbate.

It's extremely hard to explain this, so please take a moment to try and look at it the way I am.

DUDE, DID U NOT SEE WHAT I POSTED?

Did you not see what I posted? Why, oh why, should that make you happy? Why?

cuz that's just how our nervous system works with our endocrine system
scientists have tried to find out what makes the chemicals give us emotions, but obviously haven't and probably wont figure out
it's like asking why we were made the way we were

Masturbating makes certain reactions in the brain which then create happiness.

Not everything has a meaning. Infact, NOTHING has a meaning, unless some one gives it a meaning.

I just can't explain this. Can someone please help me out here?

Hmmm, you trying to say that we should only be happy when it comes to noble things? Like, saving another person's life?

Nihilism, much?

Don't get me wrong, I believe in a lot of things. I was just breaking down the whole concept of meaning.

Religions cannot be proved, including evolutionism.

It all depends on your worldview.

God is arbitrary.

Arbitrary is God.

Perhaps not today can we prove religion right or wrong. Perhaps not a decade from now, even. A century may pass before we truely know if religion is 100% true or false. That's just the way religion was made.

Exactly.

Very good and non-offtopic post, I'll quote a "few" things to address what you said.

I thought You were on point until I realized how incapable of rounded reason you were.

Ur seriously missing the point of what he said, shutup and read it again so that you won't waste posting time with spam, thanks.

Good question, let's read more.

So basically, you're saying that Joy and Happiness, and the sensation we get from... masturbating.... are not REAL? Or better yet, you're saying we don't really have the choice to choose what feelings are real?
Because our body WANTS, to reproduce, we can enjoy sex and masturbation(u shulda picked a different example dude). However, the amazing thing about HUMANS, is that we discern the right-and conquer our BODY'S WANTS, and can create our own wants. This is what many people mean when they speak of Human Free Will, which is different than animals. We are knowledgable enough to be a tiger that does not eat meat, we can be the snake who only eats rats. We know what our body or mind WANTS, and we can choose what it is "WE!" WANT!

This is right on topic shapechanger, because this has tons to do with why or why not people believe in the bible. In THIS day and age, we have upbringings and logic that teach us of a universe created through an explosion, that never ceased to expand. We can believe that this belief is an illusion, or we can believe it is blind fact(much like a feeling).
The faith in many religons is dipected(mispelled that) from our own ability to choose what is real or what is not real.

Here's a really good point for bible supporters.
Say we live in the world that was created in hit movie, "The Matrix", and all our sensations, feelings and thoughts.... are not REAL. Do you then want to go out into the REAL world and experience all the things of the REAL world, or will you agree with the choice of being bound by these confides, and live without TRUE feeling, touch, taste, love, pain, sorrow, and happiness... Most likely, we'll pick to live in the fake world, because guess what? It may be artificial-but isn't it REAL ENOUGH?
Because you are feeling, you are tasting, you are crying, you are listening, you are seeing.... are you not content?

So now, say the bible is your "illusion". Except the bible, is "The real world" and the "Matrix" is where you are. It's simple to believe in the real world, and disregard this "matrix" that you are confound by, there's too much logic and disability to prove that this really is an ILLUSION. But we humans have the power to choose what we WANT to feel as good, what we feel as bad, what we know as wrong. Understand first, that your view of right and wrong is a corrupt society ruled by people who "felt good" when they controlled people and power. So now you have someone's GOOD FEELINGS, inacting upon your life and u can't control it.
So for you to understand what GOOD is, and what BAD is, would take you removing yourself from the mindset of society and deciding for yourself,
"Do I believe smoking Marijuana is bad?"
"Do I believe my parents have the right to quarter me?"
"Do I believe someone should rule me? for better or worse?"
You can only REALLY answer these questions when you are pure, and in my personal theory, we'd just decide that it's not worth answering.

So now instead of asking me are your feelings real? Tell me are your DECISIONS REAL?
Your decision to Believe in the bible.
Your decision to believe in Big Bang.
Your decision to Believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster from mars!.
Your decision to enjoy the life you are living, are you REALLY happy, do you really know all the things you do? Or was it all just planted in you from the start?
I think those are the real questions that should be answered, but I won't blame you if you don't or can't answer them.

~Tdnfthe1
(Sorry for going all over the place with that one )

our body includes the brain which lets us think and choose what we want, so..what are u trying to say



any animal can choose what they want, but most of them cant be served on a silver platter of what they want



......yes



right and wrong is just an opinion
when you say something is wrong or right, it's your opinion and perhaps the opinion of others that you have adopted



obviously, if your actions have an effect, then it's happened and is real
same with emotions