Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-10-26 at 19:02:55
@:@ told me to start a Bible debate. So you know what? I will.
Mr. @:@ says that he doesen't really believe the bible. BUT,
He talks about Adam and Eve as if it were no frills true.
He states that nothing in the bible has ever been refuted. So,
Is the earth really 6000 years old, MR. @:@? There is scientific evidence that says otherwise. Let me guess, Adam and Eve lived to the ripe old age of 800+, Noah's flood came, then everybody lived to only 80 or so? And you tell me this is TRUE? PROVE ITS TRUE, meanie!
Mr. @:@ says that he doesen't really believe the bible. BUT,
He talks about Adam and Eve as if it were no frills true.
He states that nothing in the bible has ever been refuted. So,
Is the earth really 6000 years old, MR. @:@? There is scientific evidence that says otherwise. Let me guess, Adam and Eve lived to the ripe old age of 800+, Noah's flood came, then everybody lived to only 80 or so? And you tell me this is TRUE? PROVE ITS TRUE, meanie!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-10-26 at 19:37:58
I think that the maxim 'Untrue until proven' should be applied to everything, including religion.
If we apply it to The Bible then the content within its pages is untrue. There's no scientific evidence for pretty much anything from the Bible.
If we apply it to The Bible then the content within its pages is untrue. There's no scientific evidence for pretty much anything from the Bible.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-10-26 at 19:44:16
According to the bible, pi =3 and the world is about 10,000 years old.
It clearly can't be the ultimate truth.
It clearly can't be the ultimate truth.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2005-10-26 at 19:46:53
Scientists have found evidence that a massive flood happened awhile back.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-10-26 at 19:47:15
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According to the bible, pi =3 and the world is about 10,000 years old.
It clearly can't be the ultimate truth.
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It clearly can't be the ultimate truth.
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Oh yes, I forgot to mention that some things from the Bible are not only impossible to prove, but possible to disprove, like the Pi and age of the Earth things.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-10-26 at 19:49:03
You both don’t have enough knowledge to begin a reasonable Bible Debate.
First off, the Bible is (mostly) nothing more than stories. Some stories are true, where some are obviously not. Most of the stories are just ways to tell a known truth so that everyone can understand it.
Also, there are letters from saints in the bible sent out to various groups. Most (if not all) of these letters are real and are actually pieces of physical parchment kept somewhere (I'm assuming in Rome... Vatican... I really don’t know where).
The story of Adam and Eve is a story. The garden is believed to be an actual place though (in Iraq or Iran I think). But, we all know the Earth and humans weren't created that way; it was just a way for people 2000 years ago to explain our creation. Noah's Arch is believed to have happened too, though not quite to the extent the Bible describes. The story of Moses is very possible as well, but the plagues may or may not have happened as told in the Bible. Whether Jesus is a real person or not comes down to belief. It is very possible he was, but we don’t actually know if he preformed all those miracles or rose from the dead.
As you can see, the Bible is obviously not all true and not all stories or exaggerations. I myself believe some of the Bible (being an Apathetic Agnostic; someone who doesn't care if God exists or not). Jesus and Moses were probably real people; I really don’t know though if they preformed their miracles though.
First off, the Bible is (mostly) nothing more than stories. Some stories are true, where some are obviously not. Most of the stories are just ways to tell a known truth so that everyone can understand it.
Also, there are letters from saints in the bible sent out to various groups. Most (if not all) of these letters are real and are actually pieces of physical parchment kept somewhere (I'm assuming in Rome... Vatican... I really don’t know where).
The story of Adam and Eve is a story. The garden is believed to be an actual place though (in Iraq or Iran I think). But, we all know the Earth and humans weren't created that way; it was just a way for people 2000 years ago to explain our creation. Noah's Arch is believed to have happened too, though not quite to the extent the Bible describes. The story of Moses is very possible as well, but the plagues may or may not have happened as told in the Bible. Whether Jesus is a real person or not comes down to belief. It is very possible he was, but we don’t actually know if he preformed all those miracles or rose from the dead.
As you can see, the Bible is obviously not all true and not all stories or exaggerations. I myself believe some of the Bible (being an Apathetic Agnostic; someone who doesn't care if God exists or not). Jesus and Moses were probably real people; I really don’t know though if they preformed their miracles though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-10-26 at 19:51:23
I think of the Bible like I think of ancient greek myths.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-10-26 at 19:52:06
Exactly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-10-26 at 19:54:57
QUOTE(l)ark_13 @ Oct 26 2005, 11:49 PM)
You both don’t have enough knowledge to begin a reasonable Bible Debate.
First off, the Bible is (mostly) nothing more than stories. Some stories are true, where some are obviously not. Most of the stories are just ways to tell a known truth so that everyone can understand it.
Also, there are letters from saints in the bible sent out to various groups. Most (if not all) of these letters are real and are actually pieces of physical parchment kept somewhere (I'm assuming in Rome... Vatican... I really don’t know where).
The story of Adam and Eve is a story. The garden is believed to be an actual place though (in Iraq or Iran I think). But, we all know the Earth and humans weren't created that way; it was just a way for people 2000 years ago to explain our creation. Noah's Arch is believed to have happened too, though not quite to the extent the Bible describes. The story of Moses is very possible as well, but the plagues may or may not have happened as told in the Bible. Whether Jesus is a real person or not comes down to belief. It is very possible he was, but we don’t actually know if he preformed all those miracles or rose from the dead.
As you can see, the Bible is obviously not all true and not all stories or exaggerations. I myself believe some of the Bible (being an Apathetic Agnostic; someone who doesn't care if God exists or not). Jesus and Moses were probably real people; I really don’t know though if they preformed their miracles though.
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First off, the Bible is (mostly) nothing more than stories. Some stories are true, where some are obviously not. Most of the stories are just ways to tell a known truth so that everyone can understand it.
Also, there are letters from saints in the bible sent out to various groups. Most (if not all) of these letters are real and are actually pieces of physical parchment kept somewhere (I'm assuming in Rome... Vatican... I really don’t know where).
The story of Adam and Eve is a story. The garden is believed to be an actual place though (in Iraq or Iran I think). But, we all know the Earth and humans weren't created that way; it was just a way for people 2000 years ago to explain our creation. Noah's Arch is believed to have happened too, though not quite to the extent the Bible describes. The story of Moses is very possible as well, but the plagues may or may not have happened as told in the Bible. Whether Jesus is a real person or not comes down to belief. It is very possible he was, but we don’t actually know if he preformed all those miracles or rose from the dead.
As you can see, the Bible is obviously not all true and not all stories or exaggerations. I myself believe some of the Bible (being an Apathetic Agnostic; someone who doesn't care if God exists or not). Jesus and Moses were probably real people; I really don’t know though if they preformed their miracles though.
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I used to use arguments like that in the old Bible wars of SEN, but nobody listened. I'm becoming a lazy debater. Good post.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-10-26 at 20:28:11
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I think of the Bible like I think of ancient greek myths.
Exactly. That sums up the whole argument.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-10-26 at 20:43:32
First off, please don't say the bibles crap, I consider that offensive.
Second, instead of wondoring wether its true or not, take the words in the bible and apply it to your own life and you will become a better person, even if you don't beleive in God.
Second, instead of wondoring wether its true or not, take the words in the bible and apply it to your own life and you will become a better person, even if you don't beleive in God.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-10-26 at 20:51:02
He used the term "crap" as a descriptive word, not meaning to offend anyone, hoever I realize he should have used "non-sense" or something else like that.
The topic is not whether you should live you life according to the Bible or not, its whether the Bible is true or not. Some of it is and some isn't.
The topic is not whether you should live you life according to the Bible or not, its whether the Bible is true or not. Some of it is and some isn't.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-10-26 at 20:52:45
That remark was pretty much one half irrelevent. We are debating the truth content of the Bible, not its morality.
The Bible tells me to burn all infidels, forcibly wed non-Christian veirgins, and a host of other things (Mostly in the Old Testament, to be fair) along the lines of rape, violence, and arson.
The Bible tells me to burn all infidels, forcibly wed non-Christian veirgins, and a host of other things (Mostly in the Old Testament, to be fair) along the lines of rape, violence, and arson.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-10-26 at 21:09:32
No it doesn't. Thats how you interprit it (which is very disturbing...). Thank God you obviously aren't Catholic (that was a pun, incase someone doesn't get it 
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)Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-10-26 at 21:11:40
QUOTE(CaptainWill @ Oct 26 2005, 04:47 PM)
Oh yes, I forgot to mention that some things from the Bible are not only impossible to prove, but possible to disprove, like the Pi and age of the Earth things.
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Maybe the Pi from ancient times wasn't as complex as the one we have now because of the technology gap?
And it never says in The Bible that when the book says days, it's our days. It's "God's Days. Heaven Days" you could say. They span billions of years. Seven days in heaven days could be hundreds of billions of years. I don't remember how old the earth is supposed to be, but seven heaven days could possibly be that long, you never know.
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I think of the Bible like I think of ancient greek myths.
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And that is how? Every reply you post is like having to knit pick through garbage to even understand what you're trying to say.
Grow up and actually put some thought into your posts and try to help out the not as bright people?
How are we supposed to know what you think of Greek Myths?.
You claim yourself as a good debator, but you hardly backup anything you post?
QUOTE(Dr.Shotgun @ Oct 26 2005, 05:52 PM)
That remark was pretty much one half irrelevent. We are debating the truth content of the Bible, not its morality.
The Bible tells me to burn all infidels, forcibly wed non-Christian veirgins, and a host of other things (Mostly in the Old Testament, to be fair) along the lines of rape, violence, and arson.
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But you have to realize what The Bible has been through. So many revisions it's not funny.
Especially the King James Version man.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-10-26 at 21:18:31
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I think of the Bible like I think of ancient greek myths.
He means stories with morals.
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But you have to realize what The Bible has been through. So many revisions it's not funny.
Being revised has nothing to do with Dr. Shotgun's statement. That is how he and other crazy poeple view the Bible.
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And it never says in The Bible that when the book says days, it's our days. It's "God's Days. Heaven Days" you could say. They span billions of years. Seven days in heaven days could be hundreds of billions of years. I don't remember how old the earth is supposed to be, but seven heaven days could possibly be that long, you never know.
We're buddies so I can say this: You're on crack
.People back then didn't know when the world started so they used from the very earliest recorded times.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SirhcTheForbidden on 2005-10-26 at 22:05:18
You're just a complete idiot if you live by what the bible says.
You're even dumber if you think it's but a pile of crap. That resumes pretty much every scenario.
In brief, we're all retarded.
You're even dumber if you think it's but a pile of crap. That resumes pretty much every scenario.
In brief, we're all retarded.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tmac on 2005-10-26 at 22:07:00
l)ark_13 is right. I am actually learning this in school. The Bible isn't meant to be taken literally. They are stories that have religious truths in them. It's basically a pile of stories to get points across like Jesus' parables. Also it was written by a human and his/her culture influenced the Bible.
Example:
The truth is they probably didn't and they probably didn't exist. It was put their to show that sins don't pay. It looks like that is a really long age to live but it isn't anything compared to eternal life. If they haven't commited the Original Sin they would have eternal life.
Example:
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Let me guess, Adam and Eve lived to the ripe old age of 800+
The truth is they probably didn't and they probably didn't exist. It was put their to show that sins don't pay. It looks like that is a really long age to live but it isn't anything compared to eternal life. If they haven't commited the Original Sin they would have eternal life.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by @:@ on 2005-10-26 at 22:11:43
Snake)Ling, I am very disappointed you paraphrased me rather then just copy/pasting the quote... very shady. Please refrain from paraphrasing me at all, as you might not convey my entire meaning as I meant to write it, especially when sent via Private Message and no one else has seen it.
I think the validity of the stories or letters that are written in the Bible should not be the main concern of this thread.
Instead, for this instance, lets pretend the Bible is just a big document that has been copied over and over again thoughout the years. Back in the day, monk's job was to rewrite the Bible to preserve it, exciting right? They did such a good job, when they found the Dead Sea Scrolls, the difference between the Bible of today was very much comparible to that archeological find. I'll use wikipedia for all my sources.
Dead Sea Scrolls Link
Some important quotes from there....
Ok, according to the scientific community as a whole, the dead sea scrolls are in fact very old and can date back even to before Christ died on the cross as written in the Bible (BC = Before Christ or something)
The other quote, 850 documents found of evidence that the Bible was recorded at the time that the actual events were taking place!
I would like to mention a couple hypocritical situations that are taking place here. While most ancient stories 'myths' can only be cross-checked with a few documents. The Bible has over 800! Just because it has religious significane, people challenge it. The story of the striklingly, hot Pharaoh, Cleopatra, is OK though.
My queue in line for World of Warcraft is up, I'll post more later.
I think the validity of the stories or letters that are written in the Bible should not be the main concern of this thread.
Instead, for this instance, lets pretend the Bible is just a big document that has been copied over and over again thoughout the years. Back in the day, monk's job was to rewrite the Bible to preserve it, exciting right? They did such a good job, when they found the Dead Sea Scrolls, the difference between the Bible of today was very much comparible to that archeological find. I'll use wikipedia for all my sources.
Dead Sea Scrolls Link
Some important quotes from there....
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The Dead Sea Scrolls comprise roughly 850 documents, including texts from the Hebrew Bible, discovered between 1947 and 1956...
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According to carbon dating and textual analysis, the documents were written at various times between the middle of the 2nd century BC and the 1st century AD. At least one document has a carbon date range of 21 BC–AD 61.
Ok, according to the scientific community as a whole, the dead sea scrolls are in fact very old and can date back even to before Christ died on the cross as written in the Bible (BC = Before Christ or something)
The other quote, 850 documents found of evidence that the Bible was recorded at the time that the actual events were taking place!
I would like to mention a couple hypocritical situations that are taking place here. While most ancient stories 'myths' can only be cross-checked with a few documents. The Bible has over 800! Just because it has religious significane, people challenge it. The story of the striklingly, hot Pharaoh, Cleopatra, is OK though.
My queue in line for World of Warcraft is up, I'll post more later.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SirhcTheForbidden on 2005-10-26 at 22:12:09
Adam and Eve are only illustration of me and you.
Stop taking everything the bible says as sheer facts of reality. Bible is based on fiction anyway.
Stop taking everything the bible says as sheer facts of reality. Bible is based on fiction anyway.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by saibaman8 on 2005-10-26 at 22:47:25
something that is close to believable involving the bible, or pretty much all books really, is "bible codes", which are hidden, coded messages within the bible, the torah, etc. they're basically phrases that predict the future hidden in them. they are found by searching for a key word, going until it finds a certain letter within a certain number of letters. it then looks for phrases around it. they've found things like american revolution, twin towers, osama bin laden, and small details about assassinations. but, these "codes" could just be random occurences. moby blam was searched this way and the search found the phrases "kennedy", "he will be shot", and "in cars" together. since there are so many letters in a book, it's possible that these could just be random. but their accuracy kind of makes you think.
a scary thing about this, if they're true, then a meteor will destroy the earth in the year 2012.
i just watched this on the discovery channel about 30 minutes ago.
a scary thing about this, if they're true, then a meteor will destroy the earth in the year 2012.
i just watched this on the discovery channel about 30 minutes ago.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-10-27 at 00:58:45
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Maybe the Pi from ancient times wasn't as complex as the one we have now because of the technology gap?
"Also, he made a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim [diameter], round in compass, and five cubits the hieght thereof; and a line of thity cubits did compass it round about [circumference]." -- (I Kings vii. 23; and 2 Chronicles iv. 2)
30/10 = 3.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-10-27 at 03:26:29
Well for one, the bible has been revised several times and was from the accounts of real people. People back then claimed lots of things were true. (The world is flat.) It's just another book of stories thats stuck around.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-10-27 at 06:49:59
And that people believed. If you people want, I can post quotes where @:@ is talking as if Adam and Eve are truer than evolution, where he says God couldn't have designed evolution because.... because because?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zycorax on 2005-10-27 at 09:28:36
To quote a weird guy my dad told me about once: "The Bible is really a good book, but I dont belive anything thats written in it."
He lived inside a forest close to where I live many years ago. They say he was crazy or something. He had read the Bible many times.
He lived inside a forest close to where I live many years ago. They say he was crazy or something. He had read the Bible many times.