Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-27 at 23:02:28
I agree with you Captian!
"Oh Captian my Captain!" - Name that movie
"Oh Captian my Captain!" - Name that movie
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2005-07-27 at 23:18:36
Chris have you ever heard of Venezuela and China? Look up at what's happening there.
Also we are not there for only oil we are probably there for global positioning I mean, Iraq is right next to Iran which is very hostile towards us and is up on our enemies list with North Korea. If they ever do anything dastardly we could strike hard and fast plus we can keep a close eye on their actions and their infamous I.S.I.
I'm not saying this is a good thing I'm just trying to prove we weren't there to overthrow Saddam.
P.S.give me a flippin answer for my Shah comment if you can't counter it at least acknowlegde that I was right about us interfering with Iran's affairs for our own personnal gain.
Also we are not there for only oil we are probably there for global positioning I mean, Iraq is right next to Iran which is very hostile towards us and is up on our enemies list with North Korea. If they ever do anything dastardly we could strike hard and fast plus we can keep a close eye on their actions and their infamous I.S.I.
I'm not saying this is a good thing I'm just trying to prove we weren't there to overthrow Saddam.
P.S.give me a flippin answer for my Shah comment if you can't counter it at least acknowlegde that I was right about us interfering with Iran's affairs for our own personnal gain.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-28 at 01:24:13
Well we have bases in turkey, Kuwait, and Araba, I don't think Iraq would have helped us with positioning, but its a possibility. yes we did og in there and remove Saddam as one of our purposes. Our main reason for going in was WMDs, which none have been discovered as of right now. I still believe there could still be WMDs buried in parts of Iraq becuase Iraqis have buried Mig fighter jets for pre-war preparing.
I don't doubt America did that for our personal gain, most things we do internationally is for the best interest of us and our allies.
I don't doubt America did that for our personal gain, most things we do internationally is for the best interest of us and our allies.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-28 at 11:44:20
And you still refuse to answer his Sha question....
They burried planes, okay. But what does that have to do with WMDs? They could have burried them, but very unlikely.
They burried planes, okay. But what does that have to do with WMDs? They could have burried them, but very unlikely.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-28 at 17:11:49
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jul 27 2005, 09:24 PM)
I don't doubt America did that for our personal gain, most things we do internationally is for the best interest of us and our allies.
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And you still refuse to answer his Sha question....
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I thought I addressed it, but obviously you don't think I did.
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They burried planes, okay. But what does that have to do with WMDs? They could have burried them, but very unlikely.
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Well logical thinking would say that if they put enough effort into burying many LARGE planes they could have easly buried a couple containers of the WMDs. The whole point that they would bury something is also in question, what other things have they buried??? And why would it be unlikely?? I would find it hard to believe that they buried whole fighter jets in the desert then WMDs....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2005-07-28 at 22:23:35
Kellimus he did answer my shah question (it's the paragraph with two blank lines before it) but I had a hard time myself trying to see what that remark was towards to.
Anyways Chris...I totally forgot about Turkey. About those WMDs I don't doubt that there isn't any but it's really hard to believe Iraq had any before Iran or Pakistan.
Anyways Chris...I totally forgot about Turkey. About those WMDs I don't doubt that there isn't any but it's really hard to believe Iraq had any before Iran or Pakistan.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-29 at 00:00:17
ya well turkey isn't really that useful anyway becuase when we tried to use our bases there to launch strikes against Iraq, turkey didn't let us I believe, so then of course we used our carriers...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-29 at 01:37:27
I find it hard to believe that just because some guy not on our friend's list has WMD's, means we can go over there and attack them for no damn reason, except for that they have WMD's.
And no chris, we're not going to Africa next. Only thing we can get there, is stuff for plutonium, that's about it. And this isn't the 80's. We got enough nukes already. If we DID go there, it would be to sell plutionium to small countries, then to use that as an excuse to go there. KINDA like what we did with Iraq. Just we sold them things other than nukes. If you ask me, it's the perfect plan. And I got nothing against it. Cause I'm evil money hungry wonderful friend that, that places paper over blood.
As for your comment regarding oil, if I recall correctly, a good plan on what we're trying to do, is starve out our enemies into buying OUR oil. (And having close relations to all oil companies, so we could obtain an near monopoloy on it) And make sure that no other types of alternatives are made. If we can do this, we would basically control the entire world. Just the hard thing is keep the consumer, (The enemy countries) to NOT find an alternative. And if someone does, you "nuetralize" them. So you would have to keep your eyes open even better. Get a better foreign and domestic intelligence service going on. But for the domestic, you can't just spy on someone with out a good reason. Ah, but with the patriotic act, we can do just that. Right when X scientist discovers formula, or when engineer creates plans for X car, we "nuetralize" them. Man, this plan may be dead wrong, but the president would be proud of me for thininking up something like this for him. (Considering it's good) And infact, I may even be a fool to think that is what they're doing. Hell, they could be doing something much more sneaky, and greedy then my idea. I need to get into politics and pose as a moral and ethical person right away, so I can get me a piece of what ever that pie is.
EDIT: Noticed I barely responded to your oil comment, I got carried away on my economic plan of taking over the.... I mean....of getting uhhhh.......more ummmm....freedom for the world, Ya. Here is my actual reponse to it:
If oil prices are going down, and Iraq has oil, then all that means is that bush is a :censored:ing idiot when it comes to economics. But a genius when it comes to politics. So that when the avg repub could defeat the avg demo by saying, "well, we didn't take any of their oil. See now? We DID go there to protect our country." And so that they could have a higher chance of remaining in power.
Even if that does happen, we basically control Iraq's politics and economics right now. We basically tell them who they can sell oil to for X price. Like, we and X countries will have low prices, while the other X countries will have high prices. Best way to take down an enemy country, is make them go through a depression, which can then lead to a revolution. Look out north korea!
And no chris, we're not going to Africa next. Only thing we can get there, is stuff for plutonium, that's about it. And this isn't the 80's. We got enough nukes already. If we DID go there, it would be to sell plutionium to small countries, then to use that as an excuse to go there. KINDA like what we did with Iraq. Just we sold them things other than nukes. If you ask me, it's the perfect plan. And I got nothing against it. Cause I'm evil money hungry wonderful friend that, that places paper over blood.
As for your comment regarding oil, if I recall correctly, a good plan on what we're trying to do, is starve out our enemies into buying OUR oil. (And having close relations to all oil companies, so we could obtain an near monopoloy on it) And make sure that no other types of alternatives are made. If we can do this, we would basically control the entire world. Just the hard thing is keep the consumer, (The enemy countries) to NOT find an alternative. And if someone does, you "nuetralize" them. So you would have to keep your eyes open even better. Get a better foreign and domestic intelligence service going on. But for the domestic, you can't just spy on someone with out a good reason. Ah, but with the patriotic act, we can do just that. Right when X scientist discovers formula, or when engineer creates plans for X car, we "nuetralize" them. Man, this plan may be dead wrong, but the president would be proud of me for thininking up something like this for him. (Considering it's good) And infact, I may even be a fool to think that is what they're doing. Hell, they could be doing something much more sneaky, and greedy then my idea. I need to get into politics and pose as a moral and ethical person right away, so I can get me a piece of what ever that pie is.
EDIT: Noticed I barely responded to your oil comment, I got carried away on my economic plan of taking over the.... I mean....of getting uhhhh.......more ummmm....freedom for the world, Ya. Here is my actual reponse to it:
If oil prices are going down, and Iraq has oil, then all that means is that bush is a :censored:ing idiot when it comes to economics. But a genius when it comes to politics. So that when the avg repub could defeat the avg demo by saying, "well, we didn't take any of their oil. See now? We DID go there to protect our country." And so that they could have a higher chance of remaining in power.
Even if that does happen, we basically control Iraq's politics and economics right now. We basically tell them who they can sell oil to for X price. Like, we and X countries will have low prices, while the other X countries will have high prices. Best way to take down an enemy country, is make them go through a depression, which can then lead to a revolution. Look out north korea!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2005-07-29 at 02:24:34
North Korea is already in a pretty much depressing state, and I doubt the government will be toppled until Kim Jong Il is dead.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-29 at 02:35:59
Are you trying to say that north korea can't have a revolution because of X leader? Have you ever heard of Russia?
Also, the plan would effect more than JUST north korea. I only used them as an example.
Also, the plan would effect more than JUST north korea. I only used them as an example.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2005-07-29 at 11:58:23
The reason why Russia had a revolution was because Gorbechev (don't know how to spell it) was a more freedom type premier if Russia's leaders were all like Stalin then Russia would still be communists and still in the dark.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-29 at 15:25:02
QUOTE(Beezelbub @ Jul 29 2005, 10:58 AM)
The reason why Russia had a revolution was because Gorbechev (don't know how to spell it) was a more freedom type premier if Russia's leaders were all like Stalin then Russia would still be communists and still in the dark.
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I see your point, and you are right, I am wrong.
I would ask more questions on this, but we're alrdy off topic as it is. Thanks to me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-29 at 19:29:41
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jul 28 2005, 09:37 PM)
I find it hard to believe that just because some guy not on our friend's list has WMD's, means we can go over there and attack them for no damn reason, except for that they have WMD's.
And no chris, we're not going to Africa next. Only thing we can get there, is stuff for plutonium, that's about it. And this isn't the 80's. We got enough nukes already. If we DID go there, it would be to sell plutionium to small countries, then to use that as an excuse to go there. KINDA like what we did with Iraq. Just we sold them things other than nukes. If you ask me, it's the perfect plan. And I got nothing against it. Cause I'm evil money hungry wonderful friend that, that places paper over blood.
As for your comment regarding oil, if I recall correctly, a good plan on what we're trying to do, is starve out our enemies into buying OUR oil. (And having close relations to all oil companies, so we could obtain an near monopoloy on it) And make sure that no other types of alternatives are made. If we can do this, we would basically control the entire world. Just the hard thing is keep the consumer, (The enemy countries) to NOT find an alternative. And if someone does, you "nuetralize" them. So you would have to keep your eyes open even better. Get a better foreign and domestic intelligence service going on. But for the domestic, you can't just spy on someone with out a good reason. Ah, but with the patriotic act, we can do just that. Right when X scientist discovers formula, or when engineer creates plans for X car, we "nuetralize" them. Man, this plan may be dead wrong, but the president would be proud of me for thininking up something like this for him. (Considering it's good) And infact, I may even be a fool to think that is what they're doing. Hell, they could be doing something much more sneaky, and greedy then my idea. I need to get into politics and pose as a moral and ethical person right away, so I can get me a piece of what ever that pie is.
EDIT: Noticed I barely responded to your oil comment, I got carried away on my economic plan of taking over the.... I mean....of getting uhhhh.......more ummmm....freedom for the world, Ya. Here is my actual reponse to it:
If oil prices are going down, and Iraq has oil, then all that means is that bush is a :censored:ing idiot when it comes to economics. But a genius when it comes to politics. So that when the avg repub could defeat the avg demo by saying, "well, we didn't take any of their oil. See now? We DID go there to protect our country." And so that they could have a higher chance of remaining in power.
Even if that does happen, we basically control Iraq's politics and economics right now. We basically tell them who they can sell oil to for X price. Like, we and X countries will have low prices, while the other X countries will have high prices. Best way to take down an enemy country, is make them go through a depression, which can then lead to a revolution. Look out north korea!
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And no chris, we're not going to Africa next. Only thing we can get there, is stuff for plutonium, that's about it. And this isn't the 80's. We got enough nukes already. If we DID go there, it would be to sell plutionium to small countries, then to use that as an excuse to go there. KINDA like what we did with Iraq. Just we sold them things other than nukes. If you ask me, it's the perfect plan. And I got nothing against it. Cause I'm evil money hungry wonderful friend that, that places paper over blood.
As for your comment regarding oil, if I recall correctly, a good plan on what we're trying to do, is starve out our enemies into buying OUR oil. (And having close relations to all oil companies, so we could obtain an near monopoloy on it) And make sure that no other types of alternatives are made. If we can do this, we would basically control the entire world. Just the hard thing is keep the consumer, (The enemy countries) to NOT find an alternative. And if someone does, you "nuetralize" them. So you would have to keep your eyes open even better. Get a better foreign and domestic intelligence service going on. But for the domestic, you can't just spy on someone with out a good reason. Ah, but with the patriotic act, we can do just that. Right when X scientist discovers formula, or when engineer creates plans for X car, we "nuetralize" them. Man, this plan may be dead wrong, but the president would be proud of me for thininking up something like this for him. (Considering it's good) And infact, I may even be a fool to think that is what they're doing. Hell, they could be doing something much more sneaky, and greedy then my idea. I need to get into politics and pose as a moral and ethical person right away, so I can get me a piece of what ever that pie is.
EDIT: Noticed I barely responded to your oil comment, I got carried away on my economic plan of taking over the.... I mean....of getting uhhhh.......more ummmm....freedom for the world, Ya. Here is my actual reponse to it:
If oil prices are going down, and Iraq has oil, then all that means is that bush is a :censored:ing idiot when it comes to economics. But a genius when it comes to politics. So that when the avg repub could defeat the avg demo by saying, "well, we didn't take any of their oil. See now? We DID go there to protect our country." And so that they could have a higher chance of remaining in power.
Even if that does happen, we basically control Iraq's politics and economics right now. We basically tell them who they can sell oil to for X price. Like, we and X countries will have low prices, while the other X countries will have high prices. Best way to take down an enemy country, is make them go through a depression, which can then lead to a revolution. Look out north korea!
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It was more like the dude not on my friend's list was killing every one in his family.
Still gas prices are still rising
.......and we don't really control Iraq to the extent your talking about becuase remember the first battle of Fallujah (sorry if it is misspelled) ???? We took over a third of the city and we were continueing to kill off the terrorists, but of course Arab news channel agents were in the city filming only the houses that were destroyed (in the first battle the city was pretty much intact) and it made American soldiera look like barbarians, so the IRAQI governing counsel ordered our marines to pull out, which we did.So you see? Iraqis pretty much control their own future, we are just there to make sure not too many of them get blown up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-29 at 22:08:21
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jul 29 2005, 06:29 PM)
It was more like the dude not on my friend's list was killing every one in his family.
Still gas prices are still rising.......and we don't really control Iraq to the extent your talking about becuase remember the first battle of Fallujah (sorry if it is misspelled) ???? We took over a third of the city and we were continueing to kill off the terrorists, but of course Arab news channel agents were in the city filming only the houses that were destroyed (in the first battle the city was pretty much intact) and it made American soldiera look like barbarians, so the IRAQI governing counsel ordered our marines to pull out, which we did.
So you see? Iraqis pretty much control their own future, we are just there to make sure not too many of them get blown up.
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Still gas prices are still rising
.......and we don't really control Iraq to the extent your talking about becuase remember the first battle of Fallujah (sorry if it is misspelled) ???? We took over a third of the city and we were continueing to kill off the terrorists, but of course Arab news channel agents were in the city filming only the houses that were destroyed (in the first battle the city was pretty much intact) and it made American soldiera look like barbarians, so the IRAQI governing counsel ordered our marines to pull out, which we did.So you see? Iraqis pretty much control their own future, we are just there to make sure not too many of them get blown up.
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Chris, don't think for a sec america is all high and mighty. We're not noble, we're not heroes. Stop bull:poo:ting yourself.
Let me get this straight:
We're in the middle of hunting down osama bin laden, but then all of sudden, we stop on our breaks, and go over to Iraq. These are 2 different things. Presdent wants you to think they are both directly connected.
We went there for a reason, and don't expect me to think that america went there only because saddam was a "bad guy." Don't think I'm that naive.
We don't control iraq right now? We're basically changing their entire political system right now. For christ sake, we're putting in women now. It's safe to say we can boss around some of the companies there. As for the oil, I gurantee you the prices will go down before the next election. GURANTEE YOU.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-29 at 23:03:43
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Let me get this straight:
We're in the middle of hunting down osama bin laden, but then all of sudden, we stop on our breaks, and go over to Iraq.
We're in the middle of hunting down osama bin laden, but then all of sudden, we stop on our breaks, and go over to Iraq.
You act like we left. We have been searching for him the entire time; we still have troops in Afghanistan.
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It's safe to say we can boss around some of the companies there. As for the oil, I gurantee you the prices will go down before the next election. GURANTEE YOU.
Bush invaded Iraq to help his oil buddies lower the price of oil? Hahahah!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-07-30 at 01:08:46
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jul 29 2005, 06:08 PM)
Chris, don't think for a sec america is all high and mighty. We're not noble, we're not heroes. Stop bull:poo:ting yourself.
Let me get this straight:
We're in the middle of hunting down osama bin laden, but then all of sudden, we stop on our breaks, and go over to Iraq. These are 2 different things. Presdent wants you to think they are both directly connected.
We went there for a reason, and don't expect me to think that america went there only because saddam was a "bad guy." Don't think I'm that naive.
We don't control iraq right now? We're basically changing their entire political system right now. For christ sake, we're putting in women now. It's safe to say we can boss around some of the companies there. As for the oil, I gurantee you the prices will go down before the next election. GURANTEE YOU.
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Let me get this straight:
We're in the middle of hunting down osama bin laden, but then all of sudden, we stop on our breaks, and go over to Iraq. These are 2 different things. Presdent wants you to think they are both directly connected.
We went there for a reason, and don't expect me to think that america went there only because saddam was a "bad guy." Don't think I'm that naive.
We don't control iraq right now? We're basically changing their entire political system right now. For christ sake, we're putting in women now. It's safe to say we can boss around some of the companies there. As for the oil, I gurantee you the prices will go down before the next election. GURANTEE YOU.
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I said to the extent!!!! plus i aslo added in proof for my reasoning on it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-30 at 01:42:15
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jul 30 2005, 12:08 AM)
I said to the extent!!!! plus i aslo added in proof for my reasoning on it.
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as did I. Only thing I don't have proof on, is the oil the comment. So I'll understand 100% if you disregard my opinion on that. Infact, I even admit to it being able to be 100% dead wrong. But If I was forced to guess a reason for going there, I would right now use oil as my response.
I am no expert of politics. I am just a teenager trying to act like I know politics, in order to get respect from peers who think I know what I'm talking about, when infact I barely know anything. Any teenager that thinks they know what they're talking about when it comes to politics like this, is usually bull:poo:ing themselves. I'll be the 1st to admit I was a fool.
If that's not honest, then I don't know what is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-07-30 at 05:44:20
QUOTE(maddox)
See, I'm agreeing with this guy on this.
A pack of tic-tacs makes a better president!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-30 at 11:51:41
Tru.dat, tru.dat!
Tick-Tacs stomp the :poo: outa bush
Tick-Tacs stomp the :poo: outa bush
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-30 at 12:43:44
I dont like Bush he has given this country nothing more than raised oil prices,heartbreak,and greif,and so many injurded familys.... 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2005-07-30 at 15:20:21
tick-tacs does freshen your breath...I got nothing else to say really sorry for spamming
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-07-30 at 20:02:23
QUOTE()Keiko( @ Jul 30 2005, 09:43 AM)
I dont like Bush he has given this country nothing more than raised oil prices,heartbreak,and greif,and so many injurded familys....
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I totally agree with you too. Except you left 1 thing out. He's a total moron,
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tick-tacs does freshen your breath...I got nothing else to say really sorry for spamming
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Yep, tic-tacs do that. What does Bush do for your breath? Kill half of the popular of Kenya with asphyxiation.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-08-01 at 16:49:26
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jul 27 2005, 10:02 PM)
I agree with you Captian!
"Oh Captian my Captain!" - Name that movie
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The Deadpoets Society
love that movie
QUOTE()Keiko( @ Jul 30 2005, 11:43 AM)
I dont like Bush he has given this country nothing more than raised oil prices,heartbreak,and greif,and so many injurded familys....
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You sure don't know much about our president if that's all you think he's done/given.
QUOTE(ShadowBrood @ Jul 30 2005, 07:02 PM)
I totally agree with you too. Except you left 1 thing out. He's a total moron,
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I totally disagree with you (and everyone else who thinks Bush is a moron)
Bush probably isn't the greatest president but heck, he's done a better job than what some presidents would've done.
EDIT: And too bad the Democratic Party didn't pick a better Candidate for the 2004 election. Now we're stuck with bush.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-08-01 at 16:54:49
It wasn't the candidate, the Democratic Party ran one of the worst campaigns in history.. They allowed the lying Republican campaign ads to trample over them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-01 at 16:56:30
Like who?
Clinton would have avoided this confrontation.
Bush Sr. would have invaided them, killed most their civilians and lie about it (Check out the Panama Deception)
Reagen would have sold weapons TO Iraq
Carter would have done nothing
Ford would have done nothing
Nixon would have gassed them, then lied about it like he lied about Watergate
Johnson woulda built satalites to spy on them and used the excuss that it's for the exploration of space
Keneddy woulda built up weapons against them.
I agree with you on that notion, but he is still, A MORON.
Clinton would have avoided this confrontation.
Bush Sr. would have invaided them, killed most their civilians and lie about it (Check out the Panama Deception)
Reagen would have sold weapons TO Iraq
Carter would have done nothing
Ford would have done nothing
Nixon would have gassed them, then lied about it like he lied about Watergate
Johnson woulda built satalites to spy on them and used the excuss that it's for the exploration of space
Keneddy woulda built up weapons against them.
I agree with you on that notion, but he is still, A MORON.