Report, edit, etc...Posted by crashtib on 2005-06-19 at 13:20:57
I've heard that 55 percent of the american people voted for Bush.
I don't want to give my opinion toward him,
i just created this topic in order to know what young american people think about their president.
Bush is the easiest person to hate, he is well-known for that, in the entire world.
I try to keep open-minded and ask directly to american citizen what they think of the sitution.
remember i dont want to get invloved in a camp, even thought i got one.
dont get angry or nasty, please respect others' opinion
say what you think about him, and please precise your nationality and your state, thank you.
come on, talk, vote!!!!
I don't want to give my opinion toward him,
i just created this topic in order to know what young american people think about their president.
Bush is the easiest person to hate, he is well-known for that, in the entire world.
I try to keep open-minded and ask directly to american citizen what they think of the sitution.
remember i dont want to get invloved in a camp, even thought i got one.
dont get angry or nasty, please respect others' opinion
say what you think about him, and please precise your nationality and your state, thank you.
come on, talk, vote!!!!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-19 at 13:38:09
Bush is an even worst president than his father was, and that's pathetic! The only good president we have had lately, was Mr. William J Clinton. Sure, he lied to the country about getting some sucky-sucky, but hey, wouldn't you lie about it if you knew it would get you kicked outa the presidancy?
Just look at everything he did for us.
He kept us outa war, actually gave our national debt a surplus (and Bush created an even bigger decifit with his "War on Terrorism") and made our schools, hella better.
What has Bush done besides run our country into the ground.....?
Just look at everything he did for us.
He kept us outa war, actually gave our national debt a surplus (and Bush created an even bigger decifit with his "War on Terrorism") and made our schools, hella better.
What has Bush done besides run our country into the ground.....?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-06-19 at 16:11:11
The first Bush was an average/okay president I thought, and Bill Clinton was a great president. He got us outta debt!
But GWB... He's turning this country around! IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
- He's put the country far into debt.
- He started an unjust war on iraq.
- He helped create the Patriot Act and other such home-invading laws.
- He approves torture of captured terrorists.
- And last of all, he's an idiot. A box of tic-tacs would be a better president than him (And if you want me to prove it, I will).
But GWB... He's turning this country around! IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
- He's put the country far into debt.
- He started an unjust war on iraq.
- He helped create the Patriot Act and other such home-invading laws.
- He approves torture of captured terrorists.
- And last of all, he's an idiot. A box of tic-tacs would be a better president than him (And if you want me to prove it, I will).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-19 at 17:04:06
Maddox proved that for us, if you were going to copy and paste what he wrote, that would have pissed me off.
I think he's a terrible president, but every American I've talked to uses the "lesser of the evils" argument. Personally, I think the States would have been better off with Kerry.
I think he's a terrible president, but every American I've talked to uses the "lesser of the evils" argument. Personally, I think the States would have been better off with Kerry.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2005-06-19 at 17:08:02
i'm not an american yet 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-06-19 at 17:13:01
Bush is an OK president. There are many presidents out there much better than him and just as many equally bad or worse than him.
If our country had not had 9/11, there would not be this "anti-bush" thing. Bush's downfall really started because not many people agreed with his actions (like iraq). But if you think about it, he had his good and logical (but not likeable) reasons for his actions. Everything he's done tries to help something (but for most of them, we dont even look at them and only look at the bad side effects).
If our country had not had 9/11, there would not be this "anti-bush" thing. Bush's downfall really started because not many people agreed with his actions (like iraq). But if you think about it, he had his good and logical (but not likeable) reasons for his actions. Everything he's done tries to help something (but for most of them, we dont even look at them and only look at the bad side effects).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-19 at 17:18:20
I've seen things of where bush says,
"You see, sometimes I need to repeat what I say in order to catapult the propaganda."
"You see, we're having trouble in Iraq because the terrorists have been taught to disassemble. Which means to not tell the truth."
I don't have the sources to back up those quotes, so unless someone can give people links on them, I'll totally understand if you disregard it.
I don't personally know many republicans that even really support bush. A major bush loving kid at my school started to admit he wasn't a good president at all. He's now just "Ok" Which is still an over statement in my opinion. I mean, come on. If he was never Papa Bush's son, he wouldn't even be a mayor.
"You see, sometimes I need to repeat what I say in order to catapult the propaganda."
"You see, we're having trouble in Iraq because the terrorists have been taught to disassemble. Which means to not tell the truth."
I don't have the sources to back up those quotes, so unless someone can give people links on them, I'll totally understand if you disregard it.
I don't personally know many republicans that even really support bush. A major bush loving kid at my school started to admit he wasn't a good president at all. He's now just "Ok" Which is still an over statement in my opinion. I mean, come on. If he was never Papa Bush's son, he wouldn't even be a mayor.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-19 at 17:38:32
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If our country had not had 9/11, there would not be this "anti-bush" thing. Bush's downfall really started because not many people agreed with his actions (like iraq). But if you think about it, he had his good and logical (but not likeable) reasons for his actions. Everything he's done tries to help something (but for most of them, we dont even look at them and only look at the bad side effects).
Do you keep up with current events, or just what CNN tells you? There were plans to invade Iraq before 9/11. 9/11 in some ways was similar to the burning of the Reichstag, a convienent disaster to blame on the "enemy".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2005-06-19 at 18:05:00
Indeed, some people try and say Bush isn't that bad. Answer 1 question i have. What good has he done in office? Eh? 1 thing thats all i ask. I heared good things with all the other Presidents but not on him.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-06-19 at 18:07:34
How quickly people forget how much most American's demanded he do something about terrorism and problems related to it. He did what any good president would do, what the people of his country wanted him to. It's a democracy and majority of the opinion rules the decisions over here.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-19 at 18:11:54
Even in a Democracy there is propaganda. Don't be so naive =/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-06-19 at 18:24:59
Chuiu. Are you serious that he did what any "good" president would do?
HE AUTHORIZED TORTURE.
HE MADE IT LEGAL FOR THE POLICE TO INVADE YOUR HOUSE FOR NO REASON.
HE AUTHORIZED TORTURE.
HE MADE IT LEGAL FOR THE POLICE TO INVADE YOUR HOUSE FOR NO REASON.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-06-19 at 18:41:11
Read my post again, don't twist my words around.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Vampire on 2005-06-19 at 19:00:58
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HE AUTHORIZED TORTURE.
HE MADE IT LEGAL FOR THE POLICE TO INVADE YOUR HOUSE FOR NO REASON.
HE MADE IT LEGAL FOR THE POLICE TO INVADE YOUR HOUSE FOR NO REASON.
First of all, i think the "Authorization of Torture" is the biggest bull **** I ever heard in my entire life, second of all, THERE IS A REASON for police to invade your house, Iraqis are using Guerilla Tactics so there can be a dozen of suicide bombers in any of those houses, even if its only one person with an AK-47 the person can still do a lot of harm, plus its NOT like THE SOLDIERS KILL ALL THE PEOPLE INSIDE after they enter the house. He is just trying to make it safer for those soldiers thats it.
I think invading Iraq was a good decision, we have Saddam Hussein but... Why aren't we getting out of there? Thats the only thing I dont understand, soldiers are dying every day in Iraq and it's ticking me off. We got what we needed, we should just get out of there, we're not wanted there, by the way, heres a list of 5 top countries that have soldiers in Iraq and how many each country has.
USA - 150,000 Troops
Great Britain - 9,000
Italy - 3,000
South Korea - 3,600
Poland - 2,400
The countries with occupation zones in Iraq are :
North Zone - U.S. Army
Central Zone - U.S. Army
South Central Zone - Polish Army
South Zone - British Army
I also here have a picture, so don't think that U.S. is the only country with troops in Iraq and that it is the only country taking casualties.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-06-19 at 19:29:32
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Jun 19 2005, 01:11 PM)
The first Bush was an average/okay president I thought, and Bill Clinton was a great president. He got us outta debt!
But GWB... He's turning this country around! IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
- He's put the country far into debt.
- He started an unjust war on iraq.
- He helped create the Patriot Act and other such home-invading laws.
- He approves torture of captured terrorists.
- And last of all, he's an idiot. A box of tic-tacs would be a better president than him (And if you want me to prove it, I will).
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But GWB... He's turning this country around! IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
- He's put the country far into debt.
- He started an unjust war on iraq.
- He helped create the Patriot Act and other such home-invading laws.
- He approves torture of captured terrorists.
- And last of all, he's an idiot. A box of tic-tacs would be a better president than him (And if you want me to prove it, I will).
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Bingo. H.W. Bush was thrown out of office for being too moderate. (by the republican standard).
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Jun 19 2005, 02:13 PM)
Bush is an OK president. There are many presidents out there much better than him and just as many equally bad or worse than him.
If our country had not had 9/11, there would not be this "anti-bush" thing. Bush's downfall really started because not many people agreed with his actions (like iraq). But if you think about it, he had his good and logical (but not likeable) reasons for his actions. Everything he's done tries to help something (but for most of them, we dont even look at them and only look at the bad side effects).
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If our country had not had 9/11, there would not be this "anti-bush" thing. Bush's downfall really started because not many people agreed with his actions (like iraq). But if you think about it, he had his good and logical (but not likeable) reasons for his actions. Everything he's done tries to help something (but for most of them, we dont even look at them and only look at the bad side effects).
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On the contrary, Bush's approval rating was under 45% before 9/11 and it soared after it. 9/11 was the best thing ever to happen to the Bush adminstration.
QUOTE(Vampire @ Jun 19 2005, 04:00 PM)
First of all, i think the "Authorization of Torture" is the biggest bull **** I ever heard in my entire life, second of all, THERE IS A REASON for police to invade your house, Iraqis are using Guerilla Tactics so there can be a dozen of suicide bombers in any of those houses, even if its only one person with an AK-47 the person can still do a lot of harm, plus its NOT like THE SOLDIERS KILL ALL THE PEOPLE INSIDE after they enter the house. He is just trying to make it safer for those soldiers thats it.
Ever head of Guantanomo bay?
There is no reason why the police should have any power granted under the Patriot act. Do you honestly think that there are terrorists in all the houses? The US is not at any huge risk to terrorists. Why should the police be able to tap our phone lines and internet connections without our permission and without telling us? Why should the police be able to hold us indefinently wihout pressing charges?
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I think invading Iraq was a good decision, we have Saddam Hussein but... Why aren't we getting out of there? Thats the only thing I dont understand, soldiers are dying every day in Iraq and it's ticking me off. We got what we needed, we should just get out of there, we're not wanted there, by the way, heres a list of 5 top countries that have soldiers in Iraq and how many each country has.
USA - 150,000 Troops
Great Britain - 9,000
Italy - 3,000
South Korea - 3,600
Poland - 2,400
The countries with occupation zones in Iraq are :
North Zone - U.S. Army
Central Zone - U.S. Army
South Central Zone - Polish Army
South Zone - British Army
I also here have a picture, so don't think that U.S. is the only country with troops in Iraq and that it is the only country taking casualties.
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USA - 150,000 Troops
Great Britain - 9,000
Italy - 3,000
South Korea - 3,600
Poland - 2,400
The countries with occupation zones in Iraq are :
North Zone - U.S. Army
Central Zone - U.S. Army
South Central Zone - Polish Army
South Zone - British Army
I also here have a picture, so don't think that U.S. is the only country with troops in Iraq and that it is the only country taking casualties.
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And therein lies American stupidity. WE CANNOT JUST LEAVE IRAQ. It is far too late to just 'pull out'.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-06-19 at 19:51:28
SERIOUSLY VAMPIRE!
The Patriot Act allows police to search AMERICAN HOMES without a warrant. And tell me vampire, Do you think a dozen iraqi suicide bombers are hiding in your house, my house, or any american house, for that matter?
And you think torture is bullshit? Vampire, think about it. We have kept people for three years WITHOUT CHARGES, and tortured them with various methods, such as deprivation of sleep.
The Patriot Act allows police to search AMERICAN HOMES without a warrant. And tell me vampire, Do you think a dozen iraqi suicide bombers are hiding in your house, my house, or any american house, for that matter?
And you think torture is bullshit? Vampire, think about it. We have kept people for three years WITHOUT CHARGES, and tortured them with various methods, such as deprivation of sleep.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2005-06-19 at 20:08:11
QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jun 19 2005, 05:04 PM)
Maddox proved that for us, if you were going to copy and paste what he wrote, that would have pissed me off.
I think he's a terrible president, but every American I've talked to uses the "lesser of the evils" argument. Personally, I think the States would have been better off with Kerry.
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I think he's a terrible president, but every American I've talked to uses the "lesser of the evils" argument. Personally, I think the States would have been better off with Kerry.
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rofl i was just gunna say that
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- He approves torture of captured terrorists.
- And last of all, he's an idiot. A box of tic-tacs would be a better president than him (And if you want me to prove it, I will).
- And last of all, he's an idiot. A box of tic-tacs would be a better president than him (And if you want me to prove it, I will).
maddox said the tic-tac thing. terrorist deserve to be tortured...
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QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Jun 19 2005, 07:29 PM)
And therein lies American stupidity. WE CANNOT JUST LEAVE IRAQ. It is far too late to just 'pull out'.
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we shouldn't be in there in the first place.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2005-06-19 at 20:46:35
QUOTE(n2o-Simpsons @ Jun 19 2005, 06:08 PM)
terrorist deserve to be tortured...
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So we should become terrorists to fight terrorism? I disagree.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-06-19 at 20:55:14
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jun 19 2005, 09:38 AM)
Bush is an even worst president than his father was, and that's pathetic! The only good president we have had lately, was Mr. William J Clinton. Sure, he lied to the country about getting some sucky-sucky, but hey, wouldn't you lie about it if you knew it would get you kicked outa the presidancy?
Just look at everything he did for us.
He kept us outa war, actually gave our national debt a surplus (and Bush created an even bigger decifit with his "War on Terrorism") and made our schools, hella better.
What has Bush done besides run our country into the ground.....?
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Just look at everything he did for us.
He kept us outa war, actually gave our national debt a surplus (and Bush created an even bigger decifit with his "War on Terrorism") and made our schools, hella better.
What has Bush done besides run our country into the ground.....?
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Ever heard of Somalia? yeah stfu, Clinton is a good president but he did send our troops into a couple hot zones.
Bush tried to help our schools with the no child left behind, even though its not really working, he still is trying. Also giving more money to school programs. trying to fix social security
QUOTE(Snipe @ Jun 19 2005, 02:05 PM)
Indeed, some people try and say Bush isn't that bad. Answer 1 question i have. What good has he done in office? Eh? 1 thing thats all i ask. I heared good things with all the other Presidents but not on him.
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He has given more money to schools, also more to the inner city schools.
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Jun 19 2005, 02:24 PM)
Chuiu. Are you serious that he did what any "good" president would do?
HE AUTHORIZED TORTURE.
HE MADE IT LEGAL FOR THE POLICE TO INVADE YOUR HOUSE FOR NO REASON.
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HE AUTHORIZED TORTURE.
HE MADE IT LEGAL FOR THE POLICE TO INVADE YOUR HOUSE FOR NO REASON.
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I know what kinds of 'torture' are going on down there, but I would like you to list the 'tortures' that are going on, just to see if you actually know what your talking about.
Under the patriot act, police do need a reason for entering your house. There is no free lancing here.
please turn off capslock.
Last thing: Terrorists diserve to be tortured, many torture methods are actually pretty nice, but Im not going to say them untill you reply to this to see if you know what Im talking about. We have also been torturing prisoners for many years, even before Bush.
My Opinion: Bush isn't the best president, but hes ok. I only get angery when people rant on and on and on and on about how bad he is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2005-06-19 at 21:04:15
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jun 19 2005, 06:55 PM)
Last thing: Terrorists diserve to be tortured, many torture methods are actually pretty nice, but Im not going to say them untill you reply to this to see if you know what Im talking about. We have also been torturing prisoners for many years, even before Clinton.
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QUOTE(Description of Guantanamo Bay)
Each container houses five prisoners in separate 6.8 feet by 8 feet cells, with eight containers making up a cellblock. Steel mesh replaces three sides of the containers, which are not air-conditioned, with half the cell space taken up by a metal bed welded to the wall. These cells are smaller than the death row facilities in Texas, where inmates are allowed to shower and to exercise for an hour outside the cells each day.
Camp Delta prisoners, by contrast, are permitted to leave their tiny cells for only two 15-minute shower and exercise sessions per week. This means they are confined to their non air-conditioned cells in fierce tropical heat for all but 30 minutes each week, unless they are called to an interrogation session, which can happen at any time of the day or night. The so-called exercise yards consist of 25 x 18 foot cages, with prisoners only allowed to exercise alone, wearing manacles.
Camp Delta prisoners, by contrast, are permitted to leave their tiny cells for only two 15-minute shower and exercise sessions per week. This means they are confined to their non air-conditioned cells in fierce tropical heat for all but 30 minutes each week, unless they are called to an interrogation session, which can happen at any time of the day or night. The so-called exercise yards consist of 25 x 18 foot cages, with prisoners only allowed to exercise alone, wearing manacles.
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2003/s962052.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2003/s962060.htm
"Nice" methods like mock executions and inhumane conditions?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2005-06-19 at 22:06:00
QUOTE(chuiu_os @ Jun 19 2005, 04:07 PM)
How quickly people forget how much most American's demanded he do something about terrorism and problems related to it. He did what any good president would do, what the people of his country wanted him to. It's a democracy and majority of the opinion rules the decisions over here.
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OMg damn you! lol i got told. Anyways i guess your right. Still what would any other president do. He did what he had to do. I guess your right. I don't like him but he is what he is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-06-19 at 22:25:14
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And tell me vampire, Do you think a dozen iraqi suicide bombers are hiding in your house, my house, or any american house, for that matter?
Uh ya! Ever heard of that father and son out in california who were caught with plans to attack markets and such.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-06-19 at 22:33:41
wtf vojager you gave away an answer to that guy. theres more
Oh ya and just to tell you guys, in the terrorist hand book it tells them thatn if you are captured you are to lie about koran abuses. Just one little thing. Also these terrorists are lucky to get even what they are given, you know why? Becuase they aren't protected by the geneiva code. Do you people really think we are tortueing the terrorists for fun? hell no, many american lives have been saved do tot he terrorists telling us what we want to know.
These scum are living better then they ever did in their caves/holes. Think about it. They are being fed, housed, and protected from each other (terrorists will kill other terrorists for fear they will talk).
I agree that we do need a system to sort out the prisoners who are innocent from the actual bad guys, but I don't think its ok to jump right in a give them all lawyers. Why? becuase these terrorists make the mafia look like school children, if you testify against a terrorist and he goes to jail, your family will be hunted down and killed with you among them by the terrorist organizations still out there.
I think a terrorist's pain is justified by all the lives we have saved from getting information from them.
Oh ya and just to tell you guys, in the terrorist hand book it tells them thatn if you are captured you are to lie about koran abuses. Just one little thing. Also these terrorists are lucky to get even what they are given, you know why? Becuase they aren't protected by the geneiva code. Do you people really think we are tortueing the terrorists for fun? hell no, many american lives have been saved do tot he terrorists telling us what we want to know.
These scum are living better then they ever did in their caves/holes. Think about it. They are being fed, housed, and protected from each other (terrorists will kill other terrorists for fear they will talk).
I agree that we do need a system to sort out the prisoners who are innocent from the actual bad guys, but I don't think its ok to jump right in a give them all lawyers. Why? becuase these terrorists make the mafia look like school children, if you testify against a terrorist and he goes to jail, your family will be hunted down and killed with you among them by the terrorist organizations still out there.
I think a terrorist's pain is justified by all the lives we have saved from getting information from them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-19 at 22:38:32
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in the terrorist hand book
Wow... and here I thought Terrorists were radicals who employ terror as a political weapon. Apparently there must be some slang I'm not aware of that groups all terrorist as people of one belief.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-06-19 at 22:39:38
oh, Im sorry, my mistake, Al Quada hand book.