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I'd personally like to see hypertriggers and colors out of picture. This whole "creativity with restrictions" thing is kind of silly. It would be much more interesting if this contest simulated how map makers made maps before third party editors and the discovery of hypertriggers and text color codes.

Colours are already out.

Hyper triggers are allowed because they can be done with staredit vanilla.

I wasn't. If that was my inflection, I apologize.



Well, one could do hypertriggers before 3rd party programs. No one just figured it out. And colors were also capable of being done. But some people rather just did it on notepad (the codes I mean), or simply to find a 3rd party color adder, that only adds the ability to add color in shortform.
Since hypertriggers also help to fix the problem with multiple wait triggers. Which sets the first value of wait as the standard.
E.g.
Wait 60000 milliseconds.
Spawn" 5 Marines, 4 ghosts
Text message: "Reinforcements have arrived."

Anything after that will mess up, becuase it not only waits the 60000 milliseconds, but also the time for the wait in the trigger, if it has one. this can be a real problem, especially if the next wait triger is a multiple of the first value.

ADDITION:


You can use colors, but they can't be done with a third party program. Alt+# codes are allowed.

----Agreed

Q: Tavrobel only has 70 minerals?...

Ok, so everyone who uses color has to PM Syphon with the alt codes.


Can we use this?
http://www.campaigncreations.org/starcraft...it/mapcolor.txt

Please tell me how you're detecting this. Is there some sort of hidden code encrypted into X-tra and SCMDraft2 and Starforge colours codes which are different from ones made from alt codes?

Wow, 20 pages of nothing...

Yes.

Why was the color feature included in BW if Blizzard never used it?

OK I read over the whole bunch of spam you made up from nothing. I really did not wanted to become rude.

How the hell you can make extended scripts with the freaking staredit? AH? you can't!! Now shut the hell up or you are going to get kicked out of there. Besides it is so obvious that you haven't made your map on staredit, so it looks like you will have to make another, this time you will follow the rules. Do you copy this?

Ok you have obtained 1 thing, colors are allowed. But note that only colors can be used, overlaps will be rejected. This is the final word unless syphon has something more to say to you.

ADDITION:
Syphon, clean your messages. I can't PM you...

It could have been a leftover from the BETA stages from the game in the memory code. People who hacked the game probably found this little tidbit and exploted it, allowing the ingame colors we see today. (Green [which is white on ice terrain], Black-Blue, Black, it could also be a result from some voided string that Blizzard didn't clean up.)



Yes. I donated about 128 minerals for the pot, and the 70 I have now is from posting. Minerals are based on amount of characters typed, not amount of lines used up.





They can be pasted and loaded, but Vanilla/BW SC Edit cannot make these scripts. Therefore, if any are used, one who uses them will be kicked out/disqualified from the tournament.



No, we got somewhere, but most people don't know how to read. So, we keep going around in circles, pissed off becuase someone already asked and answered our questions. It's simply that no one bothers to read anything ever. Makes people not only angry, but the person who has to say it OVER AND OVER gets free minerals. People should do themselves the favor of learning how to read. First grade (fundamentals), and eighth grade (technique, required of a contributing citizen), are good places to start for some people. Unless they happen to be twelve years old. There is no reaching a pre-pubescent nit-wit. Only time can fix that remedy for us.



There really isn't any detecting, unless the judges go and ASK the person if they know what the codes are. If they get it wrong, then, *kicks a pillow*, you will be kicked out. That's probably the only reasonable, if not only the non-paranoid conclusion for those who use colors. I guess one could take the safe road and not use colors at all.

Of course the question is "why would anyone use colors?"

It's all physcological. Colors make it fancier, tearing away from the bland blue that we always see in Vanilla edit. In our society, we are taught fancier makes better. The fancier something is, the better we think it to be, until we find that there is no substance, only icing. (In this instance, color = icing, fun = substance). E.g. a cake, people get sick from eating too much icing. People don't get as sick when eating too much batter. Of course, everyone likes icing, that is why people argue for colors, and you know wat? stop B****ing about it! The judges gave it to you! Have your cake and eat it too! No one is stopping you from eating that piece of icing. You just can't have the ice-cream part.

Just a note:
You don't get minerals for the news page.

Calm down, I had no intention of spamming. Realize that you and Syphon had said two different things, and I was only trying to get you to clear it up (which you did, albeit after threats to kick me out of the contest).

My question about the extended scripts was not to allow me to make the map on another editor, but loading a premade trigger that has the script (you can definitely find them on the internet like the color tags text I found). I would certainly like to use colors and the Junkyard dog script in my map, because the text would be more legible and the unit movements more random.

After reading the last sentence of your post (which was all that was necessary), I've concluded that 1) colors are allowed and 2) scripts are not allowed. Correct?

ADDITION:

Blizzard does use it. That's why you have different colors for Forces, Briefings, Text, etc.; Blizzard just did not intend to have it manipulatable.

That's completely over-analyzing... how about this:

Colors add flair and variety.

You can also load p12 triggers. That doesn't make them staredit supported. Only thing that is allowed is colors as they can be made with alt codes. Anything and everything else that is not staredit supported will be rejected including overlaps.

Kenoli's map rejected as overlaps were used.

At least you can read.



Yeah. You do. How come I have 78 minerals? I didn't get most of them posting in serious discussion, did I?

Tavro, you REALLY need to take a chill pill or at least some anger management classes.. you are acting like a 12 year old flipping out for no reason at all..

Saying "I didn't find your faq humorus" can be a random opinion now can it?

Oh, you're just mad that I didn't find it funny. You know that you were trying to be funny, but you failed miserably. It's funny how you say "Don't **** put words in my mouth, Merrell."

It's unfair his map was rejected because he submitted his map when overlaps and colours were allowed.

Who said overlaps were allowed? And colors still are allowed. Alt codes for overlaps?

It was when kenoli asked syphon himself. This is before the insane confusion about colours and overlaps, and way before syphon left you in charge, or you being a judge in fact.

Alt codes? if not then it's 3rd party program usage. And in that case whole map could be made on advanced editor. And that was restricted at the very beginning.

Why the heck will you need overlaps anyhow. Overlaps are so crappy and old, and should not be in the tournament. Colors I can understand, with the backround colors and stuff, but I see NO NEED for overlaps.

If you don't like my overlap marks, don't look at them. LolOloLolol.

Ok I am waiting for explanation...

you alrdy got yourexplaination from sniper....
how could you not see it....
it was right below your post too