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greed...what greed? we're not the ones that want to get rid of everything from proedit to SCMD2. all for the sake of 'the almighty open source map.'

true, but they rig any map they can get their hands on. i don't remember the last time i joined a balanced mass game.

yes, i know, stupid genre, but its the most obvious.

Pessimism like that is why they don't. Reach out to them instead of lobbing feces upon them from your floating castle. We all started as ignorant pubbies, but because maps are open source and are meant to be, we were able to learn. Oppressing the masses by restricting maps is not how this community will improve.



Every person who puts their name on a map that they don't own is greedy. They desire respect that they don't deserve, because all your .scm and .scx are belong to Blizzard. Put aside your greed and stop putting your name on Blizzard's maps.

giving them more maps to rig won't help them either

Again, your pessimism is unconstructive.

its not pessimism, its fact. the amount of actaul mapmakers to map riggers is astronomical. just compare all ther rigged versions you see to actual quality maps(not counting SEN people).

Exo6yte has taken sarcasm to unprecedented levels. He should be in Guiness. His entire persona is a lie.

tell me something i don't know THAT is what should be promoted, coming to SEN for MMA, not this open-source bs. wouldn't you rather have a teacher than a textbook(an unreadable one at that)?

ps, SEN != open-source, SEN = teaching/sharing information

Hello everyone. I am sorry for not reading all 435 psots on this thread, seeing as I have already read the 11 pages of the first thread about this issue and i'm tired of reading the same thing over and over again. AS much as I liked LW to start with, I think that he got what he deserved. He totally threw aside the fact that he has people looking up to him as an important person in Mapmaking and as a moderator in SEN. I just don't understand why he did such a thing. Yes, I can understand some agrueing that helps them learn how to make maps. I learned from opening up a map in StarEdit and looking at some triggers from that! Although, I did not steal it. I even went and bought the no longer being produced, Starcraft Capmaign Editor Guide that I read through in a few days with a vaster amount of knowledge. When it all comes down, what LW did was an idiotic thing to do and the cons outweigh the pros.

Is it me or did this topic make about 7-8 circles already ?

The only new good point was that it's better go to SEN to get help from experienced people.

Quite opposite. It says it all in 6 worlds.

Real men make their own maps.

Don't you think your energy would be better spent convincing people to keep their maps open of their own will than to fight their interests and values by taking that option away from them (which is probably part of the reason for them to be "fearful" anyway)? That's being disrespectful, and that's what the real problem is here: Unprotection is disrespectful to people's wishes. The issue isn't about whether those wishes are right or wrong; that is something you take up with people making the choice to use protection. As I said, if even only one person has a need for protection, they should probably have it. You should address that need issue instead, where in theory protection would go away anyway if no one used it.



This has all been said here before a million times plus one.


Unprotection is just not a practical way to edit existing maps anyway. Even if not for the massive data loss you get to experience from accessing protected maps, the best way to actually realistically improve a map anyway is usually to try to collaborate with its author if possible; not go around them. You get better ideas, you get more knowledge on the map made available to you, you get permission (most of the time, at least), and if the map maker likes what you did, you get someone to vouch for you... as well as boosting the original maker's status by improving his map. Everyone wins.


Fighting people's choices is just reverting to a low level of handling the situation, and ignoring people's wishes. That'll just create sore feelings, and if you think you're seeing pessimism now...

Is anyone else tired of hearing exo6yte talk?

I hate you.

Actually, you're wrong. Blizzard has nothing against protecting or unprotecting. A Blizzard rep posted this a while back when people were claiming both of them as hacking.

Tux's posts are of great perspective.

SEN will not host OSMAP or endorse it... so unless you want to debate about how to elimate the need for protection in the first place (like coming up with ways to improve authorship without protecting the map), talking about OSMAP from here on out is rather pointless.

I have had evilipol unprotect a map for me for learning purposes. And adding on to maps / fixing maps that are no longer being updated is a good reason, so I personally support unprotection. However, I am rather defensive about my own work, so I support protection at the same time. It's a rather hard line to draw... so everyone should basically accept each other's opinions on it.

The learning purpose arguement can be voided by making a more complete knowledge base. Perhaps, protected maps that are asked about most could have it's own topic, such as:
Awesome Map v1.5
Q: How does he do this?
A: Blah blah
Q: How does he do that too?
A: Blah blah!!!

exo6yte: You're trolling.

Make me third on that list, moose.

EDIT: Oh wait, 4th, I didn't see IP said that he was trolling

How dare you accuse me of trolling. These are my BELIEFS.

I am not inflammatory, rude, repetitive or offensive. (Aside from one remark toward TuxedoTemplar that I've retracted because even I thought it was unconstructive)

I have not attempted to annoy, antagonize or disrupt. In fact, if anything I've been dictating the flow of this narrative.

I haven't accused anyone of trolling and I haven't used any sock puppets.

What's your point, here? You could also be called a troll, technically, because you're labeling me as one. Don't use offensive terminology against me just because I believe map restriction is wrong.



Fine with me, I'll unprotect every map I come across to encourage mapping freedom. I can have it both ways. I'll stay in this community as an outsider, like I always have, and I'll also liberate restricted maps. You can ban me for spamming (as you did earlier), but you can't ban me for my beliefs unless you're going to turn this website into a police state.

And then, the revolution shall come...

Explain.