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Lol, Tigers were pretty slow compart to the T-34s, I think the King Tigers only ran up about 25 Miles Per Hour(MPH) and the T-34s ran about somewhere between 60 and 70 Miles Per Hour(MPH)

Why compare speeds of tanks...

... when they've got airplanes?

Germans were the first to make the first Jet Fighter planes, but they weren't able to use it for battle cause by the time it was starting to be mass product, German was mostly taken over. Hitler was going to have his Utes go to battle with us, he was going to have the Teens drive in the Air planes and start fighting for their country's fate.

what do you mean he was going to have the teens drive the planes? like untrained teenagers?

He was training the Teenagers how to use the Airplanes, Hitler wanted the Jet Planes to be easy to use so that teens can drive them. But, when they got invented before the war ended. Their were too much stuff for the teens, the teens didn't know what they could of gotten into.

Well, he certainly had teenagers manning AA guns and so on in the final days of the war.

I think I remember a story of how two 14 year olds were manning a gun turret and were asked to surrender by the US. They refused and got blown up.

Still, I think that the biggest mistake that Hitler ever made was Russia. I actually believe that without the USA's involvement in the war, the Russians would have defeated Hitler.

Also, don't go on about multi-front wars, Hitler was only fighting on one front for at least a year of Operation Barbarossa (Invasion of Russia - started in 1941), and he was pouring all of his resources into that war with the Soviets. By mid-1942, the Russians were already turning the tables on Germany before they were fighting the Allies anywhere else but in North Africa (where they had the Allies pinned down until August -> November 1942 - Battle of El Alamein).

It's true that after 1943, Hitler was fighting on more than two fronts (Russia, Southern Italy and Holland during Operation Market Garden), but the Germans were by now on the defensive on every front.

I remembering hearing about that the Soviets could of take on Hitler by themselves, I can't remember where I heard that from.

It's probably true. Russia is such a massive country, it just takes like a year for them to get their army fully mobilised. Also, they were used to the Russian winter whilst the Germans were not (naturally).

Hitler's generals wanted to retreat to special defensive strongpoints with good supplies for the winter of 1941. Hitler wouldn't let them...he made a terrible mistake.

I highly doubt that the T-34's reached 60-70 mph. Even todays tanks barely reach those speeds. The T-34 would go to about 35 mph.

It really didn't take the Soviets about a year to mobilize all their troops. True, Stalin was completely taken by surprise when Hitler started the invasion but the biggest parts of the Soviet Army was stationed in Moscow therefore they would've mobilized quite easily.

THey mobilized so slow beacause Stalin saw that at the pace the german Army was taking the Soviet Union, Stalin could'nt possibly effectively spread his army that fast at such speed to counterattack the Germans. He basicly pulled most of his Army to defend Moscow because behind Moscow there is nothing.

The T-34's were being assembled in Siberia by the time Hitler invaded. By 1941, Stalin's Factories were producing too few tanks to compensate for those which would be destroyed in battles so he delayed them a while. By 1942 when Stalin started to counterattack, the Sovites had build more tanks and much more factories which was a very efficient plan since they were building more tanks compared to the number of tanks destroyed.

Yeah, they also simply dismantled factories that were in danger of falling into German hands, and reassembled them beyond the Urals.

If you ask me, I think the Germans should have taken over most of Europe in World War I!!! In WWI, they broke their solid Schieffen Plan by sending troops to Russia because Russia won a few small victories. That weakened the Germans enough to be beaten badly at Mares by the French and the British reinforcements. Also, failing to operate the Plan also brought another drawback; they had enter Belgium the neutral state for their Plan to work, which angered the European nations. This drawback would not have mattered as much because Germany would only need to fight on the east-north front because it didn't have to currently deal with neutral Italy.

In short, Germans lost WWI because they over-estimated Russia.
And Will states that Germans lost WWII because they under-estimated Russia.

A shame we're too primitive to appreciate the irony.

Edit: Verdun was the battle where Italy kept firm against Germany for 11 months.. I meant the battle of Mares River.. or something like that...

Personally, I think that the Schlieffen plan also failed because Belgium put up a much stronger defence than anticipated. Iirc (it's been a long time since I studied WW1) then Liege held out against the Germans for like a week? That kind of prevented them from flanking the Allied forces as fast as they would have liked.

Oh yeah, and the Germans outran their supply lines as well...no wait, that was the Ludendorf Offensive.

Are you sure about that? Cause, I'm learn that T-34s went about 60-70 MPH, from the history channel.

T-72's went at about 65mph. It's next to imposible that a T-34 which was built about 30 years before could go at the same speed. Engines weren't as strong during that time and they could'nt fir an airplane enginge in there because it was too big.

He speaks the truth. I'm sad enough to have a book on tanks, and the T-34 wasn't particularly fast, but it was incredibly mobile on the Russian landscape, and extremely reliable. The German tanks had tracks that got all frozen up easily and they weren't too suited to the terrain.

That doesn't mean that the German tanks weren't a match for their Russian counterparts though - they had the following tanks that were a good match for the T-34:

Panzer V Panther
Tiger I
Tiger II King Tiger
Jagdpanther (The best tank in the war, apparently, but not built in large enough numbers to be of much use - it had a Pak 43/3 L/71 gun - 88mm - and was very mobile)

This man, or monster as known to some was a stretegical genius. He was a mass murderer who killed innocent men, women and children, but brought the world out of a great depression, famine, poverty and brought along many new inventions and war strategys. We should thank this man for helping the world, but curse his name for the pain and suffering he brought to millions. I shall tip my hat off to him, then kick him in the balls.

Sorry, I misheard what the History channel said, They said Kilometers not miles sorry about the whole confussion.

Brilliantly insane, his ways of war revoulutionized the way we thought. Such as the SS, Luftwaffe, etc., etc.

He had different sections for different purposes, he funded the atomic bomb project which in the end turned out to be a snake biting him in the ass. Also, the thing that made it weird is that "Blone Hair, Blue Eyed" were ultimate, the mega race.

He was black-haired and brown-eyed.

That's why I said his "twisted ideal of aryan race".

Yesterday Night, on the History Channel, there was 2 very interesting programs about Hitler.

The first was about the Sequel to Mein Kampf. You all know that Mein Kampf was the book that Hitler initially wrote displaying his views about the Aryan race and that the best from of goverment would be Socialisim. Hitler wrote this book while he was in jail.
Well it turns out that Hitler wrote a sequel to Mein Kampf, in other words, the second book of the series. From waht I've seen the second book is by far, way more interesting than the first one. This would be because of the same reason Hitler didn't publish the sequel to Mein Kampf in 1929. This sequel was actually his plan on taking over the world and everythign was geniously put together, but as you know, Hitler couldn't carry it out because things went unexpected as how he thought they would go.

The second program was about Hitler's medications. Hitler's doctor, Dr.Morel, was an unorthodox doctore who used very strange ways in curing Hitler. Mrel gave Hitler many drugs since 1936 including many drugs and stimulants to make Hitler's appereance as strong as ever. This would eventually lead to the madness of the Fuher in 1945 because he had such dependency on the addictive drugs, that he could no longer function without them. Hitler never really knew what was he taking.

And alas you should know by now, "Mein Kampf" it's the neo-nazis favourite bedtime book. Xenophobes wet dreams come from there, not well reasoned folks ones. Tolerance is the key, that seems to have missed the Fürher by miles (being a Jew's grandson n' all).
His ideals of 'socialism' were to burn books just to prevent folks to see other view points as many tyrants do (aka silence the opposition).

To me, that book it's only another way of enforcing similar ideals that the Ku Klux Klan professes. And that's not my ideal of 'getting along diplomacy' for starters, as probably isn't for many other fellas in here as well.