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About my Jesus killing his playmate.

No I didn't read that in the Da Vinci Code... I read it while searching online for newly found (well 2 years ago ) Bible manuscripts. Apparently they were hidden away like the Dead Sea Scrolls to keep people from seeing these things that were "inappropriate".

I also saw a documentary about it. I forgot what gospel it is but it's very interesting because it seemed like Jesus had ADHD when he was a kid...

You were looking on the internet? I hope you know that many sources aren't creditable becuase any nerd can create a website and post what ever on it and say its true. just telling you to be careful on what you read!

That seriously sounds like The Gospel According to Bif...and unless you proove otherwise I don't believe it.

And what makes you think that?


I doubt there were any such books about jesus's "dark side." If so, please point them out.


Yes we're christians and we must live to worship God and obey some of his teachings. Also we should try and convert some people to follow God. That's not what monks do. Infact, monks are buddhists.


And what does that have to do with what you were talking about?


Not too sure, but the reason Genesis sees the serpant as ultimate evil because the devil took the form of the snake and deceived eve.



Lol and you're back 21 hours later

Watch History Channel, Discovery Channel, and Science Channel as they are making documentaries about it all of a sudden like a fad. This is quite real though, it just wasn't included in the Bible for obvious reasons.

Dammit! I lied, I'm going to stay here to see how people are going to attack me about this Jesus issue.

You shouldn't believe everything you see on T.V. A lot of those documentaries are highly edited, they show you some random facts but the rest is for ratings.

My account or Shadow's?

I was talking to ShadowBrood

Actually the bible did have a lot taken out of it. both in the time of king james and in the time of the romans. also much of the new testemant is specificly written divertly or metaphoricly so that the writers owuld be semi safe from the romans.

about the bible being edited though it does make sense, and heres why. A lot of people become chrsitians and wanted to write about their experiences, some of these people were falsely christian or invented doctrine and tryed to submit it into the bible. obviousely they couldn't just let any crack pot put what ever they wanted into the bible so thye took out some of the scripts.

Also it's pretty much a historic fact that some books have been remvoed from the bible. There is a lot of evidence for it...

No one's disagreeing that there was stuff taken out. I think it's the mormon bible with eleven extra books in it, but I'm not sure...

The serpent is not the ultimate evil. In all sacred texts including non-Christian ones, the serpent symbolizes rebirth. Think ouroburos; the snake swallowing its own tail. All scriptures are entirely up to interpretation, and personally I think that interpreting man's eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil as the ultimate sin and a manifestation of satan is to take Genesis a tad too literally.

Now if you believe in original sin, that's up to you. I don't intend to alter anyone's beliefs.

But eating from this Tree is what gave man mortality. And mortality is the basis of life -- there can be no happiness without finiteness, just like everything must have a beginning, middle, and end.

When Adam and Eve were in Eden, they knew no such thing as evil because there existed no such thing as evil. And using the word "evil" is rather misleading, too, because what I really mean is the opposite of "good" in a universal duality (e.g. the opposite of something is nothing -- "something" representing good and "nothing" representing evil). But anyway, to stay away from the Tree was to preserve innocence. Fatedly, man did not.

The first thing Adam and Eve noticed with this knowledge was their nudity, their shame. But how can this be? They've been without clothes their entire lives. Yet here, this was the first time they felt shame. Only now did it matter -- only now could they percieve an imperfect world. They had the ability to discern right from wrong, good from evil, the moral from immoral and in time everything in between. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil gave man the ability of free-will, at the price of having to use that to come back to Heaven; to once again be with God.

As an aside, if I recall correctly the reason God banished them from Eden was to ensure they wouldn't eat from the Tree of Life, and become immortal, therefore ruining the point of free will and mortality, or man's limited time to act. Some see this as God's punishment, but I thought of it as God saving man under the agreement that that free-will be put to good use, essentially making Heaven a place for the chosen instead of a place for just anybody.

So, getting back to the question, doesn't it make sense why the snake would be part of man's fall to Earth? I didn't see the snake as an evil figure. The snake, being rebirth, is simply pointing the way. I'm sure I do actually need to read Genesis more closely, though, since I don't remember with what subtext the serpent gets Adam to do his thang.

Bah, this is why religion was a bad idea, even though I like religion. Makes it so that not everyone has to be there is no God and we're just here.

ShadowBrood: Stop spamming. This topic is for discussion on christian thoughts and questions concerning it, not how you feel about it. There have been ample other topics reguarding that, most of which have been pruned out

I don't think that's spam. =\ This whole topic is full of opinions, albeit worded more articulately.

ShadowBrood, I've felt the same way. Religion as a prime factor in society has caused a lot of dirty messes, and debates like spraypaint all across the board. But, this is the way the world is, and there isn't much of a more realistic way the world could have handled this through history. So you just learn to deal with it, and deal with the fact that not everybody will get along or agree with each other, and try to be learned and tempered enough to come to reasonable agreements.

D Scypher...yes, it is spam, because we are not talking about religons on a whole, but rather christianity and more specifically growing in faith, or asking questions that may help understand better without starting a debate.

I think religion is intracule in the growth of man kind. sure it creates a lot of arguments but think of all he good it does that you don't really think on a regular basis. for one it creates a moral standard. another thing is that it gives some people hope for a better and brighter future.

Also reading you post on original sin made me think of something, what if Adam and Eve made the world an imperect place by conceving it possible that it could be imperfect. Meaning that the world wasn't imperfect becuase they ate the apple but it was imperfect becuase they now believed themselves to be imperfect and in this way were imperfect.

i was thinking this because sure they broke god's rule but other then that nothing change but their own minds. this causes them to clothe themselves in embarresment, maybe the actual eating of the apple isn't as important as Adam and Eve perceiving themselvs to be enlightend, and imperfect.

I'm having trouble putting what i mean into words but the above is a small try at least.

I agree with you that, in long-term, religion has been a great benefit to society. But you know, you can't help but feel a little caught up with all the religious arguements that pop up just about everywhere. I don't feel threatened or dissuaded by religion though... But I'm sure some people do.

As for the Adam & Eve thing, I actually think you put it into words pretty well. I mean, yeah, it could definitely be proven (relatively) that the Knowledge of Good and Evil event was really more of a psychological change, and the apple was like the physical trigger of that. Trees are the symbols of growth, after all.

In my opinion, the general idea is that the world was/is always "imperfect" (not in a bad way; that's just how things are balanced), except Adam and Eve couldn't see this before because everything in Eden was made to be perfect, so they had no idea what imprefectness meant. And once they realized this, there was more to their lives than simply being perfect. Basically, enlightenment. I think I'm saying mostly the same things you just did, I just wanted to make sure.

OK... Jesus=God=Spirit

So then somewhere on the line of this thread, there were some troubles on the Bible and some sort. God told Moses to write the first few of the Old testement, then I think it is David. King James was not alive then, so it doesnt matter who knows about Dinosuars or what not. So then since God was speaking and WRITING THROUGH the person, it must be his word. that is why we use "God's Word" so often.

Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden for sinning against God. Once they were kicked out, I guess that sin entered the world. Since ALL animals are in our control or that is what the Bible said, then they will follow our stupidity and sinful nature. Thus they must also have been kicked out.

In Job, there are some mentions of a "leviathen". Which is something like a dragon i believe. So there are also "horned beasts" somewhere in there. So then whoever wrote Job (probably Job) knows there are or were dinosuars and dragons, something like what the knights of the round table saw.

Catholic is very close to Christianity. Usually (not always) but usually, the people either go SUPER GOOD or super evil (crusaders & St. Nick or other Sts). What makes me really mad is why we, instead of singing to Jesus and his Birth, we sing about Jolly old Saint Nicholas..... Hmm.... how'd that come in.... So moving along, Catholics or some have a day for a saint. But Geuss WHAT???? WE ARE SAINTS!! so lets see... at least 1/10 of the Earth's population where Christians or Catholics or Jews or anything like that. Perhaps 40% got martyred. There would be at least 1 ever century (just geussing) but there would be.

So about that Jesus told them to write about even before his birth is perfectly legal. In One of the Gospels (right now, im too lazy cuz im tired) but one of them said that the light was there with God. So then Jesus was there with God. Then in Genises Ch.1 v2 says that the spirit of God was floating or moving around before time. So then the trinity was there since the beginning. We wouldnt be alive if Jesus was just alive in A.D.

New question:
Does science and Christianity mix? why or why not?

I believe that Science and Christianity are one and alike. But this world remember is a twisted world.... so thoughts?

Umm. You have some good points but I think you are mixing some things up. Jesus wasn't alive in A.D....and he also wasn't present in God before the earth was created. Another thing to clear up is your statement about science....science and Christianity have NOTHING in common. Besides saying that we are actually like opposites. And you made the inference that there were animals in the Garden of Eden, which wasn't true(until the Devil came along in the form of a snake).

Jesus did live in the AD. Infact, sources say he was born in 24 AD or something.

Army, for once I disagree with you. A.D. is named that because it marks the time AFTER He died. Unless you have another reason to all of a sudden change the years from B.C. to A.D. for no reason at all.

A.D. is Anno Domini meaning "In the Year of Our Lord". i think it means the time of and after Christ but that is just what i think. I heard that recent studies show that Jesus was actually born in 4 B.C. or something like that instead of 1 A.D. Actually there were creatures in the Garden of Eden as it says in Genesis 1:20-25
And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." And there was evening, and there was morning-the fifth day. And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
Science is not bad, otherwise we would not have any medicines, laws of gravity, etc. its people's opinions and perspectives on science that is sometimes bad.

Elephant, never in those scriptures did it say there were animals in the Garden Of Eden. God placed Adam and Eve there to challenge them with nothing but the fruit on the trees. The only animal to ever go into the Garden was the Deivl in the form of a serpent(or snake).

Indecisiveman, please actually READ the Bible, look up the scripture i just posted WORD FOR WORD!!!