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This is for Christians to iron out beliefs, get resources, help etc. on this site. If there is an issue in the Bible you find here, feel free to discuss it. This is a place to iron out specific beliefs and compare different denominations of Christianity.

I am going to ask that only Christians or others who are truly interested in the religon to ask questions. I don't want any arguements, unless it's Christianity vs Christianity. (For example, 'this verse says that God is jealous, yet jealousy is a sin') If that makes any sense.

Nothing is stopping you from making a topic based for your own religon or lack there of.

WOOT just the topic this site needs. And coming form you it is bound to get lots of attention. Well first of all, I am really bothered by the fact that people seem to think they are Christians when in fact they don't follow the Bible. Take for example the Catholics. They claim they are Christians, however, there views are TOTALLY different than ours(ours meaning Chrstianity of course). For ONE example baptism. We simply emerge ourselves in water. However, they(I believe) sprinkle water over your head? Well this is clearly wrong. The whole point of baptism is to prove you recognize that Jesus is the Son of God. The whole purpose is to show that Jesus was buried and you are cleansing your spriti of sins. Now when He was buried they did NOT sprinkle dirt over Him and leave Him there. So sprinkling water over someone is not correct.

my denomination baptises babies by sprinkling water on their head...they don't want to drowned them.

That's on the verge of flaming Catholicism, by the way, though I do agree; I don't quite see a point in the elaborate rituals (explanation from a catholic please?)

Yeah, I'm atheist and I think the completely submerging a baby is pretty ed up. They don't know how to hold their breath I mean c'mon you wanna ing die for something you don't even know about? Doesn't really give you a chance to make up for any sins eh?

Shadow stop flaming and pay attention. The whole point of my reply was that baptism is meant for when you become one with God. In the Bible it says you are to be baptised to show you understand God, His intentions, and His consequences. It isn't meant for babies who are just born. catholics practice this because THEY see it as if you are baptised you are saved(that is what I believe). So babies aren't meant to be baptised. FireKame, what is your religion anyways? And if you don't mind, what church do you attend? I don't stalk people I promise, lol.

Centennial Covenant Church. Denomination of protestantism. Heard of it? What are you?

Hmm. I am just plain ol' Christian. I attend the Church of Christ in Turlock, California. Ok maybe too much information but the name and town seem to go together...I wonder why -.-

I am a catholic and I think it depends on the priest who is doing the baptism, wether or not how much water is to be put on the person/baby. All in all it is all the same, washing one of their sins.

Ok new conversation question!!!!!!!!

Do you think Catholism is right/just/correct?

Becuase during the northern renaissance Martin Luther broke away from the catholic church and this started protastantism (sorry I can't spell for shit). We all know about his 95 thesis statement thing and his trial and all. Now I am a strong Catholic thinker so I just want to know what you peoples think about this.

Now my ideas on this question is it depends on the time period and people leading the church.

I'm not flaming indecisive! I'm saying that you got a huge chance of just killing the baby right there! I mean yeesh! Aren't you supposed to NOT kill people?

Once again I will say this IM NOT ING FLAMING!!!!

Shadow calm down. I NEVER said we baptized babies. If you would stop flaming and read I said the exact opposite. Babies are not meant ot be baptized. You understand that clear anough? Need I say it again? Babies. Are. Not. Meant. To. Be. Baptized. Hope you get it now.

indecisiveman stop flaming. He has every right to be angry at how you're treating him, although shadow brood you may be going a little too far.


It has truth to it, yes...but it worships the saints as well and that doesn't seem right to me.

.....odd. I didn't realize I had done anything wrong. But anyways back to the topic at hand. Chris. Sprinkling water is NOT washing someone of there sins. The whole point, and I sound like a dang broken record, is to pretend you are starting a new life. As Jesus did when He was buried. The point is that you are fully submerged in water(as he was in dirt) and then you are cleansed of your sins. Back to my old post they did NOT sprinkle dirt on Jesus and say He was buried. Another thing, how can you cleanse a baby of its sins? It HAS no sins. In the Bible it says you have only sinned once you can distinguish right from wrong. Meaning, a baby(and once again back to my other posts *sighs*) does not know that stealing a piece of candy will cause him to burn. yes his mother may have told him it was wrong, but we are talking spiritually wrong here. So I ask of you how can a baby be "cleansed of his sins" if according to the Bible, he hasn't sinned at all? Answer please instead of saying other things. As for what is wrong with Catholicism. For one the whole baptism thing. Another thing is they worship the virgin mary. earlier(in this topic I believe?) FireKame quoted a verse which said you can not serve under two masters. How can you worship God AND the virgin mary? Another thing wrong with Catholicism is they worship saints. This applies to the same reason as the virgin mary. Another thing I find HORRIBLY wrong is confession. I mean, in the Bible it says if you are to be forgiven it is "BY GOD". Not some guy who claims he is one with the Lord. I think that is one of the WORSE things possible. There are always two sides to the story so maybe there is a reason you have. Please share.

Ok, first off its not always babies that get baptized. An adult could suddenly want to be christian/catholic and be washed of any sins he commited during his life before he submitted to god through christianity. I also just asked my parents to tell me about the time when I was getting baptized and they said I was submerged in holy water and then brought back up and then had some water poured on me by the hands of the priest (not a whole lot of water) and then he made hand gestures, Im geussing the sign of the cross on me. Ok and now I think your getting *worship* and *praise* mixed up. We Catholic praise the saints and the virgin mary, we do not worship them, we only worship god, and by worshiping god thayt makes us worship Jesus at the same time becuase Jesus is part of god and you could also reverse this too. Have you ever been to confession? Its not jsut a priest who says you are forgiven, he just decides how much you should prey in order to be forgiven (example: I killed my dog father (wtf I know), Priest: Ok say 20 hail Mary's etc.. and you will be forgiven for your sins) So ya, lets hear your repsonse now!

Chris, your post adds to my point. The priest is TELLING you what to do. It is NOT!!!! his decision. It is God's decision. Also if you are so religious please capitalize He, Him, Jesus, God. It is very disrespectful to me that you haven't been doing that. Anyways, baptism is still the same, you must be fully emerged in water. Take John the Third baptisizing Jesus in the River Jordan. Did JOhn take a handful and sprinkle it on him? LOL. I think not. I am beginning to see how futile this is. You aren't listening to me. Read the Bible man it says right there in those things called scriptures. And also, praise the Lord your God. It doesn't say praise the saints or praise Mary. Oh and I never said ONLY babies can get baptized. I said the opposite FYI.

I really don't think God would care so much as to send me to hell for not capitalizing his name or refrence to his/her. And its just me being tired and typing fast. And to add into my earlier post the priest is telling and interpreting how mcuh you should worship and prey in order to be forgiven for your sins. Your talking about priest as if its just some random person off the streets. Priests are extremely holy people who devote their lives in order help others understand god and to help them reach salvation and they also help interpret the bible during church sessions. Baptizem is also just a holy reanactment of jesus baptizing his followers, again it shouldn't matter the amount of water being put on a person, matrial value shouldn't matter, faith and worhsip of god is really how you are cleansed and are put in heaven whne you die. IN the bible it never states that we couldn't praise mary and the saints, praising in catholism is sort of like a parent 'praising' their child for getting a good grade on a test. Its VERY different from worshiping. Jesus praised his followers for good actions! You never said only babies were baptized but you were talking in the post about how a baby is cleansed from sins when they are sin free --- I was responding to that.

We are all born with sin, you of all people should know this.

Now let me get this stright with the people of SEN. When I use and ing, it is to greatly enhance the intensity of a word. I never seem to get the impact of how bad or good something is whenever I use really. This means that I'm not exactly flaming like indecisive is saying.

Now indecisive, is it because I'm conflicting with what you believe in that you think I'm flaming?

If we must go back to the Internet World Dictionary, flaming is more like: SCREW YOU ING NOOB, GO RAPE YOUR NOOB SELF.

As you can see I'm not not near that, I'm just pointing something out and adding intensity to what I say.

I am Christian, a protestant one though. There were some things with catholicism that i don't think i could agree with 100%. Yes, the baby thing.

Because baptism is something that YOU choose to do. It's YOUR choice. When you're a baby, you really can't think nor know what you are doing. Ok so you get baptized as a baby. But once you start to have a mature mind of ur own, you might choose to wander away from God. So baby baptism really doesn't mean or do much. I knew many people who were baptized as babies but then asked to be baptized again because this time, they freely wanted to do so.


You werent flaming people, but the words are a bit... intense. Some people might misinterprete them as flaming. Cursing/cussing most often is used for flaming people in most cases. But yea, just letting ya know that


Ok, but try avoid using the words as much as possible. Yoshi censored them for a reason.

Try using words like "Fricking, freaking, fudge, Fock, Mother Sucker, screw, etc"

I am a cristian and I will not stand for this DIACUSSION?!!!!!!! (just kidding)

Sounds like we've got an evangelist on the forums.
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Personally, I prefer the original official Protestant Church, The Church of England (Anglican), as set up by Henry VIII in the 1500s.

Their clergy aren't firebrands, and they seem to realise that Christianity must evolve (ironic, huh) if it is going to survive in an increasingly uncaring society. As such, I find that I can tolerate Anglican clergy. Our local vicar is a rock guitarist, and the bishop of St. Mary's Church (The oldest and largest church in the city) really seemed to be progressive rather than traditional when I heard him talk at our school's thanksgiving service last week, which was held at the church.

I don't really like the Catholic church, although it came before Protestantism.
I really dislike puritan-style churches, as they are rather too evangelical and backwards looking.

The nearest religion to the original Christianity is probably the Greek Orthodox Church. If you want to be 'close to God,' by all means join that church.

You "bugging" to baptise or not baptise, is not very important argument!

The greath question is: Where you go after life, where you go after dies?
Any religions where you go?


Eternal life or not Eternal life, that's the question!
He must more important to anything in your life!

This probably doesn't matter much but Protestantism came from the Catholic church, by Martin Luther. He helped it break away from the Catholic church. And yes, the Greek Orthodox church is the closest sect of christainity that is the closet to the orginal Christainity.

First off I want so thank MillenniumArmy for telling the truth as it should be told. Second off, I am angry that I leave this discussion for one dang day at school and already it is filled with crap.(no offense) Axel, I don't know if you study the Bible or not but it looks like you don't and you have no clue what your saying. If I am interpreting what you are saying correctly you mean "Baptism isn't important". If I am wrong PLEASE tell me. If not you are being foolish. In the Bible it says those who are not baptized can NOT enter the Kingdom of Heaven. So baptism is VERY important. Phexeon, that has nothing to do with this topic and that should be considered spamming. Only reply if you have something useful to say(again no offense just being honest).(gosh so many points to throw out of proportion) Ok Shadow. Whoever told you we are born WITH sin is TOTALLY wrong. The Bible(and many other sources) say we are born INTO sin. Not WITH sin. There is a HUGE difference.(btw on your flaming topic why not capitalize the words like me? Just a thought) So if you die once you are born you go to heaven, seeing as how you have not sinned yet. And finally, Chris.*Sighs* here we go. If you have been paying attention at ALL to my posts you will find out it DOES matter how much water is put on you. In the Bible it CLEARLY states you MUST be FULLY submerged in water. Not just sprinkled on top of you. How "clean" can you get from that(double pun WOOT). Also Chris(a few more points to blow up on you) if you had read FireKame's post you would know that it DOES matter EVEN if you "praise" mary and the saints. It says you can't serve two masters(mary, saints, and God is actually THREE). Another thing is it DOES matter weather you capitalize his name or not. It is VERY disrespectful. He sends His only Son to die for you and you can't take a second out of your life to reach over and hit the shift button? I think that is wrong. One last thing(I hope). If I am correct anyone can become a priest right? Well, I guess they aren't so "holy" then are they now. And it still applies that some GUY can't tell you what to do in the name of the Lord. That is total blastphemy if you ask me. How is this person any different from you.(you said he is devoted to God, studies the Bible, reads scriptures, and helps others to salvation) Well I don't know about you but I do the same thing. Am I a priest, some SUPER holy person now? I think not(no offense to your religion just think about it first before you get angry) Oh darn it. Found one more mistake. Baptism is NOT a re-enactment of Jesus baptizing His followers. If you had read the Bible more carefully you would find out the only person who "baptised" people was JOhn the Third. How could Jesus baptize people if the whole point of it was to re-enact His death, burial and resurrection? He DID come back to life, yes, but He then ascended to heaven afterwards. So He had no time to baptize anyone. I think you have some really good points you just need to research on them a little bit more, Chris.

If you read one of my earlier posts you would have known that I was submerged in the water then brought back up and then had water poured on me. And Im just wondering how you know in Catholism that we only sprinkle water? I haven't been to a baptism in a long time so I wouldn't know how much water there is off the top of my head. And any one can become a Priest but it takes time for them to become a full Preist, they still have to go and learn the ways and such. It takes time so when I think of a person becoming a priest I think they are a whole new person once they become a full priest and such.

Quick note, baptism was around before christianity, notice jesus got baptized in the jordan river, by in fact john the baptist, so if it were indeed symbolizing him being submerged completely in dirt why would they do it before he died?

Edit: i have no idea what bible your reading indesisiveman but we are all indeed born into sin, it's why everone is considerd to need soem sort of purification. we are born into sin becuase of the sins that our forfathers commited all the way back to Adam and Eve.

also the praising of the saints does not contradict with the church doctrine ( I personally dont belive in saint hood but) becuase saint hood reflects the actions of god in these peoples lives. The cult of saint hood emerge becuase people felt to unholy to go directly to god, so insted of showing there indesent self they rpesnted their problems to a more holy person or a saint. so when they praise the saints they arent so much serving two masters as they are looking up to a good servant of their master.

also indecisiveman, you totally get on the priest... ever consider who braught you to christianity? I mean even if it was your parents or maybe you learned straight from the bible it self, well i hate to break it to you but you are accepting your knowledge of christinity from some priest somewhere, whom do you think wrote the bible through devine inspiration?

also your asurtion that only john the third baptized people is absurd, many priests baptized people, john was just one of the best known, ecpecially becuase he prepared the coming of Christ.

you also commented on capitaling his name... stop and think for a moment, yes it isn't respectful but god is mercifull and he'd understand that there is a more important point to get across then the capitalization of his name, and if you stopped bitching about it for one second you'd relize the Jesus asked us to turn the other check and be merciful ourselves which means you shouldn't get all huffy and puffy about the inequities of others but instead shuld accept them for who they are. I also for see you response of telling me the same but the only reason i am stating that your wroung is so that you may learn, i dont hold any ill will towards you nor will I insult the fallen but instead will give them a gentle nudge in the right direction. you of all people should know the compasion of chrsist love. why cant you share this compasion with others i wonder, one can only hope.

Edit 2L if the bible so clearly states that you MUST be fully submerge i would be very interested in knowing the passage.

Ok Chris, I understand a .....little bit better now. I guess what I was saying is you could become a priest right? Well, I just didn't like the fact that a "human" would tell you how much you had to do a certain thing to be forgiven. Also, I know you said YOU were fully submerged. I was mostly talking about Catholics in general, not specifically you(I see how you could mix that up). Umm, oh and my cousin was a Catholic and many of my friends are too. So they tell me what is done in there church and such. That is how I know(I don't know maybe times have changed....-.-) And Rhiom to answer your question. I think we all knew baptism was before the time of Christianity(didn't we?). What I was saying is that it symbolizes the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Now you say, "How can Jesus be baptised if the point is to symbolize his death, yet he is still alive?". Well my answer is this, back then they(I have a few ways to go here...) used to baptize people on their own will. It wasn't(back then) a symbol of the death burial and resurrection. Also, some Christians(and I am saying I believe this one more than my other reason) argue that God of course, knew what would happen to Jesus.(i.e. his death and so forth) So for the sake of His Son entering heaven He had Him baptized. It was God who made in the religious kind of baptism we nowadays use. So there are two arguments. I guess you can choose(I for one think God planned it). Anyways, hope that answers your guys' questions.