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I was not applying the america arguement to the bible, i was applying it to my religions view on the subject. <---- Mormon, Therefore Discussing The Book Of Mormon

Look at this

This presupposes that when he created the earth, he created the waters.

Genesis 1:2 states in my NIV "Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters." This means that the earth was just a sprawl of dirt, water, and other things. You could probably compare this earth to a coughed-up hairball.

But wait, God created the seas, right? That means that the water was created there! Well, let's see:

So you see, God didn't "create" the water right here; he merely put waters in groups so that some parts would be dry, and some would be wet (water areas). Then, he just named the gathered waters "seas", and the dry areas "land".
In short, there was no creation of dirt and water on the third day.

Also, CaptainWill is right about humans on America a long time ago. I'm not neccessarily surprised, knowing that Evolutionists helped us out on this question. Isn't there a theory about all the landmasses being joined as one, and plate tectonics moved them apart?

Thirdly, Jesus was only on earth for fourty days Mr.Monocle, not one year. I doubt Peter would have made the church if Jesus didn't appear to him. My guess is he would have tried to live out a normal life or go into deep depression.

Ahh I see. That is similar to what my dad told me. I just couldn't find out by reading it so I decided to ask around. Hmm, nice. And yeah as I said the time He was on earth wouldn't have been long since He was merely showing everyone He was alive and attending to matter that....needed to be attended!

I have a question. I may also have the answer to the question too!
So then God made Adam and Eve FIRST in the garden of Eden. The Bible doesnt tell anything about having created other humans other places...

So heres my question: How'd Cain get his wife? He didnt leave with his sister. He got it somewhere else. So then how did he?

A summary of the story if you do not know it:
Abel (i think thats right) and Cain where two sons of Adam and Eve. Abel loved God and gave Him the best, Cain gave God the worst. God blessed Abel (duh?) and then Cain envied Abel and killed him. He was then cast off from his parents and wonders around. Then he got a wife..... How'd he get it?

Sorry for being out of my own topic for so long, but I was doing my research. Ok Idsa, here is your answer. The Bilbe DOES say Adam and Eve were the only ones created. Here are some scriptures of that.

Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.



The first one shows us that Eve is the mother of everything. If God had created people elsewhere, she would NOT be there mother. The second one shows us that we can trace our lineage(family history) to Adam. Had God created people elsewhere we would trace it to...let's say Bob, or Jacob(for random names). So those clearly show that no one else was created. Onto your Cain story. In the Bible it says something along the lines of "with the passing of time....". This indicates much time had passed. And this was before he was exiled. This was before he even Killed Abel. So you ask, how did he meet his wife? Well to answer you it is VERY likely that families grew up and left home and explored on there own. You have to remember that back then people lived a long time, not the 80-90 years we live nowadays. Therefore, what happened was Adam and Eve had many children, those children had children, they explored other parts and began living in other areas(much like most people do). When Cain was exiled he just happened upon wehere one of these families lived. So in truth he DID marry one if his sisters. Or it could have been a niece, grandaughter, and so forth. I hope that answers your questions.

Now indecisiveman, your point is valid, except it has one flaky part to it. Wouldn't it have been written in the Bible that Eve had many children??? I believe we only know of 3 or 4. Two were Cain and Abel. One was Enoch, but was taken up to heaven.

Here's idsa's question: "How'd Cain get his wife?" The problem is that to my knowledge there's a big gap in the Bible about any other children Eve had brought forth. Were Cain and Abel the first children? Is there any mention of other children? That is the answer which we seek.

WOW KIRBY FOR ONCE YOU ARE WRONG. Na jk. But in all seriousness I alreayd postd the scripture that says she had daughters. Umm, maybe it wasn't in this topic. Well regardless, here it is.

Genesis 5:4 "After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters."

You see. I think there was another scripture about that too...but that should be PLENTY to figure out he had daughters. And actually I think that should be "many" sons and daughters. I am not sure so I will leave it. Anyways, she had daughters and as I said they explored to new lands and such. Yeah you know the story.

yea heres one whats all the crap about not haveing blood on your meat personally i like my meat very very rare i practicly want them to just give me a live cow. anyway why should that be a sin.

Maybe if you gave a scripture? I don't recall that being mentioned....or less likely being a sin...

ummm about that... it in old testament... and it doesnt say you cant eat blood... but it just suggests that you shouldnt eat blood. It is proven scientifically that vegatarians will live longer.... Also the more pure you are the longer you will live (fact) dont argue... lol j/k

Come on indecisiveman, i thought you knew all the answers. First of all, not eating or drinking of another livings thing's blood has to do with reasons of not subjecting yourself to Drugs, Bloodtransfusions(or transplants), as well as some chinese customs which involve boiling blood in soup.

Th Reason? Now I COULD, I REPEAT I COULD, be slightly off, but the reason God(Jehovah) does not wish for us to take part in the drinking of blood or other foreign things, are because he created us a specific way, with our unique design. He took the most care over you humans as to make us the dominant species over this planet. So naturally we already have the BEST of blood, and the BEST of muscles, and the best of reflexes and brain power. By putting into ourselves foreign entities we are disregarding god's wish for us to remain as ourselves and how he created us-(Moving on)-do you ever wonder why certain things in life just don't look right or feel right by nature? it's because that's how we were "supposedly" created. We naturally know of right, and wrong and naturally know what is ok for us to do, and what is not. Take for instance, the killing of another man for revenge for he who killed your mother and father, it is desirable but something inside you tells you it is not right, something is wrong with this that you are feeling or desiring(Which also brings up the subject of death, why do you think no one likes death?).

[Moving on one last time]
Indecisiveman, i know you mean well by trying to answer questions, but this kind of thing should be left up to someone who is alot more affiliated with a bible, and what the bible is ABOUT. not just what the scriptures say, but what certain scriptures are there to backup what. Most people spend years, decades studying the bible and still are not qualified to teach others of the bible. the danger of this is that someone who believes so heavily in their beliefs will jump head first in to defend their beliefs and what they think is right or misconcieved. I guess that's why they call you Indecisiveman.

Edit: I have a question;
What is the theme, or the Purpose of the Bible?

Well Dark you still failed to provide a scripture...And your comment about the bible not being about scriptures....what the hell is it about then?!?! I think you may have..."misworded" that sentence....unless you truly believe scriptures don't mean anything?! I do know most of the answers....me and my father(he majored in pshycology with a phd and reads the Bible VERY meticulously every night) go over some things he teaches me. For instance, let's say I ask him a question, he then answers with his beliefs, provides scriptural evidence, and then I look into it with my OWN opinions. This is how I know so much: many years of study and questions. I, however, as you have implied(I could be making inferences...), do not just take the Bible word for word. For example, where it says Thou shall not kill, it is obviously not saying "if you squish a bug while walking to school you are condemned to hell". It means wihtout reason(just a simple easy example). Now I do NOT remember my father saying the Bible stated we couldn't eat blood....how would we live!?!? Grain??? Uhh....I think not. I(very vaguely...) recall there being something about drinking the blood of a cow....but nothing against eating blood with, say, an animal or what have you.

To address your question at the end. The Bible was written as a(what do they call them...) I am sorry...I think it is firsthand resource...???( ). Sorry I don't know...it was made by many people to be proof of God's/Jesus's existance. Proof that people witnessed Him. And also to share tales of how it is possible. God wanted Man to write it also as a set of laws. How He wants us to behave on our everyday life and such. Now if you are asking if there is some secret message or something like "The Da Vinci Code" implies...then no there is not. God says in the Bible everything that is important for US to know...is in the Bible. Hope that answers your questions!!!

Tisk, Tisk, you didnt answer my question and you didnt read carefully.

1)In lamens terms, what i said is... That scriptures are the basis of what we need to know about the bible. Just reading a scripture and looking at it isn't enough to decipher the true meaning of the scripture. Like you said, you need to use your little 2.5% of brain to figure out that you can't help killing a bug sometimes, and that thou shalt not kill refers to willingly killing another Human or living thing indescriminately. We need to understand the purpose behind each scripture and verse. I am getting really tired of trying to lean people to figuring out questions, and then they jump to tell me how i am wrong, note to anyone reading what i
postTHINK ABOUT IT FIRST GOD-DAMNIT!

2)You never answered my question what is the point of the bible? What is the purpose or main theme of the bible? If you do not know, i would like to know what your father has been teaching you.

[Moving on to new things]
Note to yourself that I am not a christian. I was not indescriminately baptised at birth and am being powerfully persuaded to be a christian, i just do good research . Baptising children at birth is very wrong, and just taking up the religon of your parents is also bad. Half the time people don't even know their lives are half set-up, and others think they made the choice to be apart of the religon(or lifestyle) they are apart of, but really they were around so much, and the people and lifestyle around them looked so much better then everything else their mind is convinced this is the best. Even though many people think they decided on their own, you really didnt!

And Atheists half the time, don't believe in the god theory(woop de doo) or they believe in my second point above(were never given a religous choice, and now feel betrayed, or disapprove many things about it, which i find ignorant). Knowing of any religon, or lifestyle can never be bad, knowledge is almost never a bad thing, especially when you come to it by your own accord. I just wanted to say that.

P.S. Answer my question indesiciveman! What is the Theme of the bible? If you don't know please just say so.

Uhh I did. I answered your question. I read your post and said I may be making inferences. I also said I read INTO scriptures, and not take them word for word. Again, I feel you are insuklting my parent's....don't. I didn't follow there religion. Who said that? I chose my OWN religion. Again the answer to your question is answered in the last paragraph of my last post. Nor do I believe in baptism at birth(which I thoroughly argued with someone in another topic...). Nowhere in the Bible does it say that. I didn't think you WERE Christian. I actually thought you were agnostic . Well whatever it may be....I think you need to read into the Bible more. For instance the scripture which says we can't eat blood(I'm still waiting...). If you don't have it then it isn't true. Simple.

urhg!

Look, I said if you don't know the answer, and you did not answer my question...and if you did i totally missed it so state it again. And i wasn't talking about YOUR parents, i was being general trying once again to hint into something else. But i give up now, consider me out of your topic because still no one thinks when they read my thoughts, I DON'T JUDGE AGAINST ANYONE DAMNIT! No one was talkin about you indecisiveman.

And the thing about blood transplant, and blood, once again i ING REPEAT!

Take my word or don't, you obviously think you do know a whole lot of the bible, and the thing about the eating blood from another lviing thing is INFERENCE from not drinking of the blood of another man, (Cannibalism, which by the way, is something against the DAMN morals of human beings if you didn't think about it).
I could turn and be an atheist, and say WELL PROVE THAT THE BIBLE SAYS EXACTLY THAT WE CAN'T DO THIS, THAT, PLAY WITH THIS, EAT THIS, AND PRACTICE THESE ACTS! But luckily i know well enough that you have to understand the bible, more over then just reading the text(Talk to the text, if you havn't heard of it ask your english teacher kids).

Once again, if you don't the answer to my question SAY THAT!

Lazy are we Dark? very well I shall repost it. Once I find it...I hjave a tendency to talk while I work sorry. This isn't spam . Ahh here it is.



Very lengthy too....jeez. Overall theme is God proving His existance. Also used as a firsthand reference(found that word ) of Him living on earth. Not to mention all of His Works(miracles...).



Now if that wasn't directed at me I don't know what is.

Your quote on Bible not being handy was made in Kirby's alreayd notorious "Universe" thread. Not to make you angry just showing you stuff HEHEHE.

COMPLETELY off-topic: How is Shadow's map doing?

Always.

Your defnition of the bible's theme is wrong. That is what average people USE the bible for. I don't know if you have a new world translation, a king james version, and old testament, new testament, or catholic bible. But look up John 3:16 and tell me what you find. And if you want to know a lil more, read from John 3:12-20.

About Shadow:I have no clue.

Edit:The phrase "wrong" was misused, replace it with not as abstract, or educated guess, with reference.

HE ADMITS HE IS LAZY!??!?! EEK!!! JUST KIDDING!!!!

Back on topic...New King James version. Err, I don't see your point in John 3:16. If I recall it is "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son...". I believe I was fairly close...(when you try and memorize key scriptures it backfires on you ). saying my opinion is wrong isn't too nice . If by theme you mean re-occuring plot and meaning, then I do not know besides God proving His existance. Perhaps you can give me your insight on the theme? Maybe that would help me create a better picture of what you mean. Because as of right now I think this. "Tell me what God is trying to do by creating the Bible". I could be wrong so if I am tell me more specifically what you want from me.

P.S. Poor Shadow...his topic went on page two!!! I tried...

Edit#1: Oh jeez now you fix it. Take out the part about saying it was wrong...my bad.

*stares at indecisiveman with subtle contempt in his wide happy eyes surrounded by his 8-inch pink body of joy

The theme of the Bible separates into 3 parts: The Fall of Man, the Promise of Redemption, Jesus Christ, and the Future Unveiled. Let me go into a brief description of each:

1) The Fall of Man: In the Bible, God creates everything, and finally creates man. Man is nearly equal to God, except does not know of good an evil. Man, being lonely, asks for a partner. So, God takes a part from Adam to create Eve. God gives them one rule: Do not eat the supernatural fruit from that tree over there, which is the tree of Knowledge of good and evil. He gives them this rule because if he never gave them the opportunity to disobey him, then he wouldn't be giving them free will, would he?
So as we know, satan the snake tricks Eve into eating the apple, and Eve tricks Adam, and they learn about evil and they get booted out of Eden.

1b) The Promise of Redemption: When Adam and Eve sinned and God "came looking for them", they hid. They were ashamed because they were naked. Now for some guys out there, you probably wouldn't care if you were naked next to a naked beautiful woman, but Adam is feeling only guilt right now from sinning, so DEAL WITH IT!

What does God do? He kills a slain animal and covers them with it's skin. In the same sense, God found a way for mankind to repent from their sins; to sacrifice and repent from their evil ways. Throughout the prophets, the coming of the Messiah is scrawled all over. The most obvious one is probably in Isaiah 53, but there are others.

2) Jesus Christ: Pretend you're God for a moment. You have your little "peoples" sending sacrifices to you, but you realize that they do not repent. Now, they just see sacrificing as a ritual. They have forgotten that repentance is an attitude of the heart. You've sent prophet after prophet to show their error, but nothing's working. What can you do?

God had to deal with this very situation. He finally came to a solution: he sent a part of himself (since he is infinite), to pay for all of mankind's sins (which are finite). Now of course, since infinite is intangible, he had to make himself fully human, and out popped Jesus! Now Jesus had to be completely sinless, just like lambs led to sacrifice (to be without blemish).

Now here's the tricky part: After Jesus spread his message of God, he died, defeated Satan in Hell (he was condemned by the sins weighted upon him), rose from the dead, gave proof to the apostles, and rose to heaven, there was still one tiny little problem. Even though Jesus died for our sins, just like any other sacrifice, we had to truly repent our sins for the sacrifice to have meaning. That's why there's a hell, or quarantine. If you don't believe in the sacrifice, God can't allow you into heaven because God cannot stand evil. If you do, well.. welcome aboard!

3) The Future Unveiled: This is only in the book of Revelations. In short, this reveals of what will happen in the future. It speaks of catastrophic events, death, and the judgement seat of God. Revelations would probably be made into a R-rated movie. It becomes hell on earth, LITERALLY. Then, the battle of Armageddon (there's a city called Armageddon) where Jesus comes the 2nd time and defeats evil. Then people are judged at the Judgement seat of Christ, and everyone will be judged.

Hope that helps a bit.

Argh, i have given you the wrong scripture .
Well I will tell you the theme of the bible, as the bible says it(i found it outline of all places, as well as i knew it by heart just not word for word.)
It says...

Yes, a harmonious theme permiates the bible, what is that theme? It is the Vindication of God's right to rule mankind and the realization of his loving purpose by means of his kingdom.

Sadly there is more, but i run the risk of talking out of exact scripture(note the above is not scripture perfect.) If you can prove to me that there is an alternative answer to the theme of the bible, i will give you 200 minerals .

Also:From my Memory, the last part of the scripture says:"And his loving son Jesus Christ". Although i could be wrong, tomarrow i would be glad to give the exact scripture.

To Kirby's post: Kirby! Theme in this case, doesn't mean what does the bible stand out about the most. It means what is the main thought throughout the entire bible.
What very simple summary simplifys the bible as easy as possible. I believe mine did . Your three parts of the bible are describing it's different phases, but really there are2 main phrases of the bible. The Old Testament and the New Testament. New testamen being the Hebrew scriptures, and the old being the scriptures the jews.
They also work like this, Old Testy's=B.C.
Old Testaments=After Christ(A.C.) or during christ for some of the versus(flashbacks i believe).

On the contrary, my theme resinates throughout the whole Bible Tdnfthe1. Just because my book is separated into different "chapters", doesn't mean I'm not just picking out the most important points! Here if you want a simple summary in a billion less than 8word sentences: ok then.

Beginning: God makes man. Man falls to sin. God clothes them from nakedness. Animal was sacrificed. Symbolic of repentance.

Old Testament: God uses sacrifice as symbolic for repentance. Loop in OT: Israelites fall short, God "leaves" them, Israelites sacrifice repent, God comes back, repeat.

OT->NT: God knows Israelites do ritual sacrifice, not repentance. God does not see change of heart. God sends prophets to change Israelites. Israelites ignore prophets. God's patience wears thin. God uses Jesus as final sacrifice.

New Testament: Jesus was born. Jesus was man and God. Jesus did not sin. Jesus was final sacrifice for Israelites. Jesus died, then rose. He who believes in him be saved.

Paul in NT: Saul hates Christians. Saul persecutes Christians Paul sees Jesus in vision. Paul becomes blind for three days. Saul becomes Paul. Paul tells all about Jesus the Savior. Most books from NT written by Paul. Paul starts many churches in Asia.

Revelations: John the Apostle is exiled. John receives visions of the future. In a seven year period, hell happens. Jesus comes back and defeats evil. All will be judged before God. Christians live with God forever and ever. Amen.


Here, I'll even tell you in English form:

Protagonist(s): God
Antagonist(s): Satan, Sin
Setting: From beginning of the universe to the end of the universe: Most at earth.

Introduction: God creates heaven, earth, and mankind. Man and woman live happily together in the garden of Eden. Everything is perfect, except one fruit is off-limits.

Rising Action: Satan tricks Eve. Eve eats fruit from the tree, and tricks Adam into eating it too.

Conflict#1: Adam and Eve have now sinned.
Solution: God overcomes this conflict by if mankind repents of their evil deeds, they are able to still be good in the sight of God. To give a visual proof of repentance, they put their effort into giving a sacrifice, symbolic of their repentance.

Conflict#2: The Israelites have no become callus in their hearts and only see sacrifice as a ritual. They have forgotten the attitude of the heart.
Solution#1: God sends prophets to show the error of their ways, and allows his prophets to do miraculous things in his name.
Impediment: The Israelites constantly ignore the warnings from the prophets, and continue to go in their sinful ways.
Solution#2: God sens his son Jesus, as an atonement for humanity's sin.

Crisis: Jesus is hung on the cross, and miraculous events occur when he dies. Three days later, Jesus rises from the dead, shows himself to people for forty days, and ascends to heaven.

Partial Falling Action: Saul becomes Paul and preaches the good news of Jesus Christ throughout Rome and the provinces of Asia.

Crisis#2: The future is revealed to John the Apostle, who was exiled. He sees the horrors that await mankind; the plagues, wars, and fear instilled upon mankind. He also sees the ruthless dictator that shall enslave the people and speak blasphemies against God. After seven years of tribulation, Jesus returns in a triumphant entry and defeats the Beast and all who stand with him.

Falling Action: The New Jerusalem is built, and all saved live in it for 1000 years. Then, Satan is released from his cage to gather the remnants of evil still left on the earth to destroy the city. God defeats them with one final swipe, and all live in heaven forever and ever. Amen.

*takes a deep breath. Now if THAT isn't proof.. then I don't know WHAT is.

Naturally Kirby you know i wont believe your words over my belief because i'm a stubborn(and lazy) person. And another thing, that wasn't a theme, it was a summary( i said that). You summarized the entire bible, not a common theme. You said this happened, that happened, then that, and final this will happen. That's just summarizing up the different parts of the bible. You would've done slightly better summarizing each book . As for me, i'm not the one to tell you, you are incorrect, because i obviously don't have the answers, but i know the difference between summary and theme. It's like i asked for the theme of Lord of the Flies, and you broke down to me who each character was. The theme of lord of the flies is Kids shouldn't be left unattended (kidding.....slightly...)But you get my point, you described the bible not give it's theme.

P.S. Tomarrow after i get my bible i will make it my buisness to find the scripture that tells you the theme.(it says it's the theme.)

But actually.. that IS the theme! Here, I'll even put it in really simple terms.

John 3:16.

The end.

Jeez Kirby make your posts easy to read. My sleepy mind is having trouble discerning your darn words . Its 1100 my goodness... Anyways...dark if you want a theme I gave it to you. Three times now...it is proof God lives. jesus exists. And He is Messiah(Jehovah...Christ..dare I say J.C.???). Anyways, your theme is only off, dark, in the sense that He is not waving around His powers saying "obey me because you are my slaves", which is what I see when I read your theme. Now after reading all those dang words I am going to sleep. Goodnight

Edit#1: Eek quick edit. After reading your post more carefully Kirby I realize you said jesus did not sin. WRONG! The Bible even states He sinned. Need a big hint? He took on the sins of the world!!! Why do you think God turned away form Him? Because He was letting sin into His life. Now if you mean He didn't COMMIT sin...I guess I can let you slide on that one! Anyways, now my eyes hurt form reading all your text...goodnight.

Lol, ya know what kirby.... Look up 3-4 posts and you'll realize you quoted me lol.

Indecisiveman you're still not getting the point. Just don't post if you're not going to pay attention to my posts.