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Report, edit, etc...Posted by indecisiveman on 2005-03-24 at 22:41:22
Ok. This topic is meant for mainly Christians. It is meant for people who are wondering about something in the Bible. Maybe they don't know what it means, or are confused on what it is trying to teach. People who aren't religious can also post on this, but please try not to make it one of those "I am right and you are wrong" topics. If you have honest questions about the Bible then ask them and hope they are answered. For me, I am unclear on Jesus's resurrection. Mainly, I haven't read much into it and want to know if He was resurrected and then ascended to heaven or if He did something in between then. If you know and truly want to help, please answer. Or ask your own question, again at least make it seem like you care(if you really don't).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by re_casper on 2005-03-25 at 00:56:54
Well first he died on the cross, then he resurected in the grave they put him into, like for idk how long, but the Jesus went back up, during this time, he must have had some talks and times with His desciples. There is some time between the Gospels and Acts, but it is unclear on how long, perhaps no more then a year.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by indecisiveman on 2005-03-25 at 14:38:14
...You said Jesus went back up. So how was he back on earth? It never said he descended to earth. And when you say "maybe" it really takes away form your point. Never make inferenes to the Bible, if it doesn't say it, it must not be needed for us to know.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-03-25 at 14:44:37
Can the bible be taken literally? If not, why was it even "created" to be used as the basis for Christian knowledge?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by indecisiveman on 2005-03-25 at 18:01:57
Yes it can be taken literally. This topic is meant to ask questions in the Bible, not "about" the Bible. Meaning, anything you have been pondering about(i.e. a scripture, verse, menaing of a book, etc.).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-03-25 at 21:57:19
QUOTE(indecisiveman @ Mar 25 2005, 01:38 PM)
...You said Jesus went back up. So how was he back on earth? It never said he descended to earth. And when you say "maybe" it really takes away form your point. Never make inferenes to the Bible, if it doesn't say it, it must not be needed for us to know.
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As in his spirit went up. When he died on the cross, his spirit went back up to heaven. Three days later, his spirit came back into his body and so therefore he rose.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by pimpinelephant on 2005-03-26 at 01:06:08
Matthew 27:62-66
The next day, the one after Preparation Day, the chief priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate. "Sir," they said, "We remember that while He was still alive that deceiver said, 'After three days I will rise again.' So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, His disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that He has been raised from the dead. This last deception will be worse than the first." "Take a guard," Pilate answered. "Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how." So they went and made the tomb secure by putting a seal on the stone and posting the guard.
Matthew 28:1-10, 16-20
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb. There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men. The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. He is not here; He has risen, just as He said. Come and see the place where He lay. Then go quickly and tell His disciples: 'He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see Him.' Now I have told you." So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell His disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," He said. They came to Him, clasped His feet and worshiped Him. Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell My brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see Me." Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by indecisiveman on 2005-03-26 at 01:42:29
No no no. You guys are misunderstanding me. Idsa said he went up to heaven and then right after that he said he was tlaking with disciples. I was pointing out his mistake in his post, not saying Jesus didn't come back to earth. I know He was on earth when He was resurrected but what I am asking is what He did while He was here. Or did He just awake, show everyone, then ascend back to be with God. That is what I never read in the BIble. So I am curious.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-03-26 at 22:42:38
Oh.. I think either you misread his post.. or he misworded his post..

QUOTE(Acts 1:1-3 NIV)
In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. After his suffering, he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive.  He appeared to them over a period of fourty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.


The one who wrote the book of Acts was Luke, and of course Luke's former book is .. Luke!! Luke is a physician who was very meticulous in detail that many people would just skim over. Therefore, we can trust Luke in his writings.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2005-03-28 at 22:06:04
QUOTE(Mr.Kirbycode774 @ Mar 26 2005, 07:42 PM)
The one who wrote the book of Acts was Luke, and of course Luke's former book is .. Luke!!  Luke is a physician who was very meticulous in detail that many people would just skim over.  Therefore, we can trust Luke in his writings.
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woot, go trustfull information....wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2005-03-28 at 22:11:51
This is an honest to goodness question. Why doesn't god just make people believe in him? I mean he IS supposed to be such an omnipotent being.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-03-28 at 22:26:57
Because he wants us to freely choose. He wants us to choose to follow God. He doesn't like "controlling" people in that sense.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-03-28 at 22:41:45
Can the Bible be taken literally? There are so many flaws in it logically...

Other than that, where did the wives of the descendants of Adam and Eve come from?

And another thought came into my mind. If farming began roughly around 4,000 B.C., but there is no evidence of a great flood (mainly because there was always a civilization present after that date), where does the tale of Noah's Ark fit with history? Secondly, if Noah did get a pair of every animal (which is freaking impossible onto a ship), how did animals reach every area of the globe? I doubt Noah sailed to the South Pole to place penguins there just as I'm sure that he did not sail to the North Pole to place polar bears. How would he have fed the carniverous animals for 40 days? Just think of the millions of types of animals... I mean, there is simply no way to compile all of them. Lastly about Noah, why would God cut the human genepool down to one bloodline? Does He want us to all be inbred even more?

How can there be no evidence of man with dinosaurs 65+ million years ago?

That's all for tonight. Have fun answering them. smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-03-29 at 18:50:07
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There are so many flaws in it logically...

I dont see any.

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where did the wives of the descendants of Adam and Eve come from?

It said God created them. They were the first human beings on earth. He probably made them out of dust. And when he made Eve, he took a rib out of Adam and formed Eve.

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If farming began roughly around 4,000 B.C., but there is no evidence of a great flood (mainly because there was always a civilization present after that date), where does the tale of Noah's Ark fit with history?

Noah's ark was WAAY before all of this. After they were finally free from the Ark, Noah told his sons (and their wives) to go out into the world. And so from there, they began to multiply.

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Secondly, if Noah did get a pair of every animal (which is freaking impossible onto a ship), how did animals reach every area of the globe? I doubt Noah sailed to the South Pole to place penguins there just as I'm sure that he did not sail to the North Pole to place polar bears.

Again, Noah and his Ark was a LONG time ago. Like several millennias ago. And throughout that time period, the animals multiplied, scattered, and evolved when necessary. Several Millenniums is plenty of time for all that to occur.

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How would he have fed the carniverous animals for 40 days?

Cuz he had food stored on the ark.

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Just think of the millions of types of animals... I mean, there is simply no way to compile all of them.

Again, he only a certain number of animals (remember, this was a long time ago. The animals looked and were pretty different back then). After much time elapsed, they multiplied and evolved, thus causing several different types of species.

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Lastly about Noah, why would God cut the human genepool down to one bloodline? Does He want us to all be inbred even more?

Cuz Noah was the only one that was "good" and still had trust in God. Everyone else back then were almost evil and naughty. So God told Noah to make an Ark and save many animals as well as his family while God casts a huge flood and get rid of all those other humans.

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How can there be no evidence of man with dinosaurs 65+ million years ago?

God created this world/universe in his definition of seven days.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. At that moment the Earth was formless and empty.

First day, he created Light for Day and Darkness for night
Second day, he made the waters and the sky.
Third day, he made Land and all of its vegation and plants
Fourth day, he created the stars and the seasons and days of the years.
Fifth day, he created the sea creatures
Sixth day, he created land animals
Seventh day, he rested. Then he made Adam and Eve

As you can see, the animals came way long before Adam and Eve. Meaning the dinosaurs existed long before humans did.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-03-29 at 19:25:20
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Mar 29 2005, 11:50 PM)
Again, he only a certain number of animals (remember, this was a long time ago. The animals looked and were pretty different back then). After much time elapsed, they multiplied and evolved, thus causing several different types of species.
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Ah I see. So Noah set out on his ark 500 million years ago, taking a couple of cyanobacteria with him.

Evolution takes a long time, you know.

I see that indecisiveman is turning and twisting like an eel again.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2005-03-29 at 19:40:52
I'm sorry to keep bring this up but I need an answer...

If god is all knowing, then he already knows who is and who is not going to hell. If a persons fait is predetermined, what is the point of punishing them by sending them to hell?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-03-29 at 19:51:53
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Ah I see. So Noah set out on his ark 500 million years ago, taking a couple of cyanobacteria with him.

Evolution takes a long time, you know.

Err, no. I dont know exactly when Noah's time occured, but it sure wasnt 500 million years ago. And animals back then were animals, not weird little microbe things.

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If god is all knowing, then he already knows who is and who is not going to hell. If a persons fait is predetermined, what is the point of punishing them by sending them to hell?

Only God knows what our fate is. We humans don't. People that choose not to believe in god are basically chose to go to hell so God, being fair as he is, just simply lets them have what they want, feeling sad for them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-03-29 at 19:56:17
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Mar 30 2005, 12:51 AM)
Err, no. I dont know exactly when Noah's time occured, but it sure wasnt 500 million years ago. And animals back then were animals, not weird little microbe things.
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I guess you haven't been taught evolution yet then.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2005-03-29 at 20:03:31
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Mar 29 2005, 07:51 PM)
Only God knows what our fate is. We humans don't. People that choose not to believe in god are basically chose to go to hell so God, being fair as he is, just simply lets them have what they want, feeling sad for them.
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But if our fait is predetermined (which, as I said, it would have to be if God is all knowing) we are not given the choice to believe in God.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by re_casper on 2005-03-29 at 23:09:30
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But if our fait is predetermined (which, as I said, it would have to be if God is all knowing) we are not given the choice to believe in God.


But you do not know God. that is the problem. I do not, no one on Earth knows a bit about him. How do you know that he knows everything and he knows that i am doing this exact thing right now? That i use these words, it is very much like predetermined, but however you can still do stuff. That makes it wierd.
Have you ever asked urself Why or How did any of the great people in our history become great?
What about: How on Earth was George Bush reelected?
God knows all, but gives us a little bit of freedom. If he doesnt want us to do so and so, he will stop us. He already knows he will stop you but he wants to have you know why he stopped you. If he stopped you from the beginning, you would be asking Why did you stop me?

Ex:
A boy who doesnt know anything jumps off a cliff after he killed his pet. God could've stopped him from killing the pet so that he wouldnt be in distressed, But the boy would not know why the pet was not dying. But if God showed him kindness and held him up and brought him back up, he would then at leats notice there is a greater power then himself.

God is unpredictable. Why are you trying to predict his moves, who knows yours?
Thus you are trying to predict yourself... or the person around you...

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How would he have fed the carniverous animals for 40 days?

Cuz he had food stored on the ark.


Umm... they werent really carnivours then.... Adam pets dinosaurs...

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How can there be no evidence of man with dinosaurs 65+ million years ago?

God created this world/universe in his definition of seven days.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. At that moment the Earth was formless and empty.

First day, he created Light for Day and Darkness for night
Second day, he made the waters and the sky.
Third day, he made Land and all of its vegation and plants
Fourth day, he created the stars and the seasons and days of the years.
Fifth day, he created the sea creatures
Sixth day, he created land animals
Seventh day, he rested. Then he made Adam and Eve

As you can see, the animals came way long before Adam and Eve. Meaning the dinosaurs existed long before humans did.


umm... in the Bible you can take it pretty literally so then according to it, Dinosaurs came AFTER the birds. lol.
On the fifth day, God created the sea creatures AND sky monsters (lol just birds and things that fly)

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Secondly, if Noah did get a pair of every animal (which is freaking impossible onto a ship)


Did you read how freakin big the ship was? It is BIG.... lol. or he killed the animals that were bigger and ate them/fed them to the others. 3000000/4000000/1500000
lol j/k
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PhoenixRajoNight on 2005-03-30 at 00:49:48
Biggest flaw with the tale of noah is simply the fact its impossible, because christians state evolution doesnt exist, so its impossible that this can be true and noah to be true, he wouldnt be able to keep the a pair of each insect, from the 3 million species of just those on the ship that he had, let alone 2 of every other animal in the world.

The bible is a collection of stories, fictional stories, to be told to give oneself morals, or for entertainment, or to tell children when they go to sleep.

It is not a religious item of faith I'm sorry, and I feel sorry that most of you see it for what it is not. The bible itself has become an Idol of belief to draw worship from, you are using something in the sense, of fact of god being the bible. Even if it is true the bible is a false idol to base a religion from, and you are even breaking your own rules of worship by seeing it this way.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by indecisiveman on 2005-03-30 at 03:02:30
Err, lots of things to "correct". Well, first of all.(oh my goodness where to start...)Meh, I'll start with the easiest thing. his topic is for Questions about the Bible, not to blast Christianity and all its beliefs. So Phoenix unless you have a decent question(oh boy) stay the heck out. Please laugh.gif. CaptainWill, what the heck is that supposed to mean....I am not turning and twisting like an eel....(whatever the heck that means?). And we don't believe in evolution no. No one said anything about animals "adapting" to their environment. Hmm, now I believe there was another topic where someone decided that evolution and "adapting" were two completely different things. Eskimos in the North Pole can withstand -30 degree blizzards. They have not evolved into some sub-species of humans, they have "adapted". It isn't too hard to grasp is it? shifty.gif Hmm, Mr. Idsa.....*gasps*. I don;t know what Bible you are reading but God DOES know what we are doing this moment. And the Bible DOES say he knows. He is omni-present(believe that means more than one place at once pinch.gif. To answer someone's question(though it has been answered like fifty times by now...) God knows what we will do. The reason He made us is to show US what we will do. Meaning, He wants to show us that He can give us everything we want, and human nature is still going to be an attitude where we are longing for more. Hope that answers that. Uhh. oh. About the whole 7 days thing. It was EARTH DAYS. Not God's days. Only seven EARTH!!!!!!! days. So animals were not alive 500 million(or whatever the heck someone said) years ago. They were merely a few days before us. And God rested on the Seventh day, not made Adam and Eve(jeez). Also, Idsa. God does not interfere in our lives. He WON'T stop certain things from happening. It says in the Bible He will forever be in Heaven until the day of Judgment is upon the earth. Meaning, He won't interfere with us. Ok Chill. Our fate being pre-determined does NOT mean God sat down one day and said "On March 28 a certain person in California will be busy doing such and such...". It means that whatever happens to us is already planned. For instance, if a friend of yours kicks a ball into the street, you can not change what is going to happen. Rather it be he runs out and gets hit or you run out and save him. It is already "pre-determined". Understand a little better? So while our fates are pre-determined, it does not mean God planned them. Wow just noticed this. To answer your question ae-felagund(about the wives of the descendants of Adam) he actually had daughters. I never knew this myself. Amazing biggrin.gif It says...Genesis 5:4 "After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters." I think the reason the Bible only mentions his three sons and not all of his daughters is because males were looked on as better since they were created first. It also has to do with the rights of the firstborn. And I think that is all I need to cover....*looks back over past posts* . Yeah. Well if not I will answer more questions. But please people, lets ask questions and not smash Christianity *cough phoenix cough* shifty.gif.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-03-30 at 14:15:40
You do realise that you have just opened your topic up to extreme Christianity bashing just by making that post?

I could point out a dozen inconsistencies, illogical statements, dumb hypotheses and cases where you have shown a total disregard of tangible scientific evidence.

I'm not going to because I respect the fact that you don't want this thread to descend into a flame war, and also because I know that you'll give me a reply composed of total BS and the aforementioned 'twisting and turning like an eel.'

So, yeah - other people are welcome to rant all they like, but I'm staying out of this unless it gets really nasty.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by indecisiveman on 2005-03-30 at 17:22:37
Hmm I applaud you for that. However, if you think you have a good argument you can always PM me and I will prove it wrong tongue.gif And what's with all the hostility towards me gosh. Total BS huh...hmm. Well I don't want this a flaming contest so I will stop. As for you Phoenix I hope you can be a man and stop flaming Christianity as well. Ask a question or stay out of the topic. Thank you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chill on 2005-03-30 at 18:37:26
Why did it take God seven days to create the earth if he is all powerful?
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