Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-04-23 at 01:19:10
ya Im sure a monkey would be AWSOME.
SIR, L-A-X has just been BOMBED!!!!!
Monkey: ooo ack ack? AHHHH ACK *Starts swinging around oval office*
Damnit Monkey president this is no time to play!
What ever Bush has done it is obviously has a purpose to help America. And who cares if he is a religous president?
SIR, L-A-X has just been BOMBED!!!!!
Monkey: ooo ack ack? AHHHH ACK *Starts swinging around oval office*
Damnit Monkey president this is no time to play!
What ever Bush has done it is obviously has a purpose to help America. And who cares if he is a religous president?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by indecisiveman on 2005-04-23 at 01:39:58
Felagund I find your posts very insulting, and quite (how to word this...) meh(what the hell) retarded. What the hell is wrong with my English? Unless that was just a last-ditch effort to divert the subject at hand...Patriots....where did that come from? Hah. The final one, other people's viewpoints. Funny you say that and then also say you refuse to hear MINE. Ironic, hypocrytical, outright funny. If you can't understand the complexity of my writing skills leave the discussion. 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-04-23 at 02:06:18
oh man BURN, dude you just got burned, burned dude burn.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-04-23 at 11:29:48
No, that was actually a plea to you, because I'm most likely going to be minoring in English. Did you know that the Arabs used to be friends with the Jews? And then we gave the Jews a nation, and stole one from the Arabs. I'm just stating that it should not be too difficult to understand why they're mad. And Islam teaches acceptance of religion, so this text of "kill all non-Muslims" would be easier to get insurgents to understand than "they stole our land and have persecuted us, so we're angry and we must fight back." I have listened to your viewpoints, and because I disagree with them it means that I'm ignoring them? I think your viewpoints are very flawed. I'm sorry if you found what I wrote insulting, but as you're calling my posts retarded, I don't feel quite so bad. It's not the complexity of your writing skills, but rather it's more of a lack of complexity and understanding of the English language (just like our esteemed president). You present a new dialect of the English language while I conform to MLA standards. You rebel you. 
That almost makes sense, and I can almost understand it, so surely you are comparing them as such: Iraq is to Vietnam as the World Trade Centers are to Pearl Harbor? It just caught me off guard because you know the whole Pearl Harbor WWII thing. Oh, I'm glad we're thinking on the same page now. However, I do find your posts very insulting and idiotic, although I take them with a grain of sand. You twist what is said to your benefit, usually in a really poor manner at that. You're sounding like a twelve year old, and you're embarassing yourself. Chris isn't helping you either.
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Worse than Vietnam...I am sorry but that is plain ignorance. It is saying the Trade Centers was worse than Pearl Harbor. Retarded by my standards.
That almost makes sense, and I can almost understand it, so surely you are comparing them as such: Iraq is to Vietnam as the World Trade Centers are to Pearl Harbor? It just caught me off guard because you know the whole Pearl Harbor WWII thing. Oh, I'm glad we're thinking on the same page now. However, I do find your posts very insulting and idiotic, although I take them with a grain of sand. You twist what is said to your benefit, usually in a really poor manner at that. You're sounding like a twelve year old, and you're embarassing yourself. Chris isn't helping you either.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-04-23 at 12:40:22
its called a grain of salt by the way not sand. Very un-english of you 
And you saying you disagree with THEIR written text stating kill all non-Muslems. Now in this manuel they never stated a specific reason is to why they want to kill us. But they wrote down a butt load of quotes from the Quran (I think thats how you spell it) justifing their actions. The only thing that they wrote down why they are fighting is the only rulers of countries in the middle east should be only Muslem. So they are pissed at the Jews. They are pissed at America for helping them. < my opinion rihgt there.
Also, GET THE PICTURE, we are stating Bush isn't the worst President becuase there has been worse before him as Indecisiveman has stated before. I personnaly think you are ignorant about all the things we are doing in the middle east. Over 750 americans died in terrorist attacks before 9/11 and we never struck back. Oh wait, Clinton did---he did a great job of sending a missle to blow up a Aspiren Factory and another missle to and abondaned Terrorist camp.
that did a whole lot. So finally we do strike back and suddenly Bush is the bad guy here. mmmm Im starting to wonder if you even want a free America in the future thats free of terrorism.
And you saying you disagree with THEIR written text stating kill all non-Muslems. Now in this manuel they never stated a specific reason is to why they want to kill us. But they wrote down a butt load of quotes from the Quran (I think thats how you spell it) justifing their actions. The only thing that they wrote down why they are fighting is the only rulers of countries in the middle east should be only Muslem. So they are pissed at the Jews. They are pissed at America for helping them. < my opinion rihgt there.
Also, GET THE PICTURE, we are stating Bush isn't the worst President becuase there has been worse before him as Indecisiveman has stated before. I personnaly think you are ignorant about all the things we are doing in the middle east. Over 750 americans died in terrorist attacks before 9/11 and we never struck back. Oh wait, Clinton did---he did a great job of sending a missle to blow up a Aspiren Factory and another missle to and abondaned Terrorist camp.
that did a whole lot. So finally we do strike back and suddenly Bush is the bad guy here. mmmm Im starting to wonder if you even want a free America in the future thats free of terrorism.Report, edit, etc...Posted by indecisiveman on 2005-04-23 at 14:07:54
Well said. Err, which Chris isn't helping me felagund? Chris, or STARSChris? I see you have now shifted to insurgency and Jews....what the hell? My whole point(And your supposed argument) is that Bush is a good president. Not who is killing who with bombs! Insurgency has been around forever, we didn't cause it. We may have given them another target, but that doesn't mean it started when we entered Iraq. What was wrong with my comparing two things? It wasn't gramatically incorrect, in fact it was damn good. Hell I will give myself a 10/10 on that one 
. Did you understand that one...Calling my posts idiotic doesn't help your argument of being offended....We gave Israel to the Jews because of the persecution by every friggin' country they went to. In one country together they aren't picked on. If your race was being persecuted and you had a chance to be free, you aren't going to stick with the peresectuion are you? Well I hope not...Take countries and giving it to other people...what the HELL is wrong with that? I am sure Britain and France have done iot mulitples of time...hmm. Unless you don't recall Imperialism. Well now it wasn't wrong for them huh? Britain didn't hate THERE leader for doing it...HMMM. I think your profound hatred of GWB is altering your arguments and closing your mind to possible things. Perhaps look at it form someone elses viewpoint. Say the people of Iraq. Last I recall the whole country was plotting there revenge for making them a good country...umm not quite. Rather they were celbrating in the streets over there newfound freedom. Boom Boom! 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-04-23 at 16:45:53
I'm shifting around here because I really despise repeating myself. Just for your information, the Arab's anger has only really existed in the past century. And if you would care to think, people use religion to back up a lot of things. Let's say the Crusades, the Salem Witch Trials, etc. etc. It's a lot easier to get people to do things when religion is involved. Christ, right now we're not looking at an America free of terrorism. We're looking at whether or not America will be free. Look at all the liberties that have snatched from our fingers. And for what? A paranoia that every person may be a terrorist? Sure, it's good to prepare, but we haven't prepared. We've pushed paper around, making it seem all fine and dandy, but really, we haven't done crap to prepare against a terrorist strike. Do you think it is really that hard to recruit five guys and infiltrate them into this nation? They don't need to smuggle a bomb in - they can just build some here. Plant the explosives and multiple buildings can be destroyed easily. They can hide and move to another part of the country, and we might not even be able to catch them. And indecisive, who do you think I was talking about - the only Chris arguing here.
Also, I never really liked taking nations away and giving them to people. Jews could have had a nice home anywhere else, say in Africa. Many of the Arabs were already pissed at them during World War II, as they had allied with Hitler, and the Muslim leaders used their religion to turn the Arabs against the Jews, whom had once been their friends. It's a multi-generational hatred you see in the Middle East. Sure, the freedom thing is wonderful, but frankly they do not have the experience necessary to have control over their nation. Nor can the United States have a military presence there indefinitely. The execution of the invasion of Iraq had all the militaristic perfection of Napoléon's invasion of Russia. What we've done is in essence created anarchy in Iraq, and our soldiers are the only thing keeping a small level of peace over there. We're training meatshields. Do we give them high-grade weapons? Do we give them tanks? Humvees? Where is their air force? You say George Bush is not the worst president, but I say he is has all the idiocy that America demands of him, and he has
ed up nearly every aspect of America - our economy, our liberties, our schools, etc. etc. The Middle East is at a boiling point.
That is some truly amazing intellect at work there. I'm glad you have sufficient trust in our president to raise him above a monkey, though I don't know if you should do it by much.
Also, I never really liked taking nations away and giving them to people. Jews could have had a nice home anywhere else, say in Africa. Many of the Arabs were already pissed at them during World War II, as they had allied with Hitler, and the Muslim leaders used their religion to turn the Arabs against the Jews, whom had once been their friends. It's a multi-generational hatred you see in the Middle East. Sure, the freedom thing is wonderful, but frankly they do not have the experience necessary to have control over their nation. Nor can the United States have a military presence there indefinitely. The execution of the invasion of Iraq had all the militaristic perfection of Napoléon's invasion of Russia. What we've done is in essence created anarchy in Iraq, and our soldiers are the only thing keeping a small level of peace over there. We're training meatshields. Do we give them high-grade weapons? Do we give them tanks? Humvees? Where is their air force? You say George Bush is not the worst president, but I say he is has all the idiocy that America demands of him, and he has
ed up nearly every aspect of America - our economy, our liberties, our schools, etc. etc. The Middle East is at a boiling point.QUOTE
ya Im sure a monkey would be AWSOME.
SIR, L-A-X has just been BOMBED!!!!!
Monkey: ooo ack ack? AHHHH ACK *Starts swinging around oval office*
Damnit Monkey president this is no time to play!
SIR, L-A-X has just been BOMBED!!!!!
Monkey: ooo ack ack? AHHHH ACK *Starts swinging around oval office*
Damnit Monkey president this is no time to play!
That is some truly amazing intellect at work there. I'm glad you have sufficient trust in our president to raise him above a monkey, though I don't know if you should do it by much.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by indecisiveman on 2005-04-23 at 19:04:08
Africa? Have we changed the subject again...well let's say for a moment we gave the Jews a place in Africa(which isn't anything religious to them). Africans would be mad too ya know. 
No matter where you take land form someone will be angry. It just so happens it was the Muslims(most of Africa is muslim anyways). I don't know about you but if I was alive when we fought Britain to gain control of the U.S. I would be proud even if we had no military, no food, and no safety. Being free is above all, the Iraqi's see this in the war. They don't give a damn about continuing insrugency. They could care less about not having a military or being safe. They are free now. They can do whatever they want. You make it seem as if Iraq is pissed off and wants to start a war with us. Hardly the case. Most of them are very grateful(the others are terrorist or extremists). Where did the whole America free form terrorist thing come from? No country is free of terrorists, or ever WILL be. That was never a point of anybody's. We are still rebuilding places like South Korea(although it is almost as strong as France...) and our troops are still positioned there. Nobody said freedom doesn't come at a high price. It is always going to be necessary to keep soldiers there. Iraq is no different than any other Communist nation we made democracies out of. The only thing different is that America thinks Bush is bad and takes everything he does and finds a loophole in it. If they looked at the good he has done it would outweigh the bad heavily.
Have we changed the subject again...well let's say for a moment we gave the Jews a place in Africa(which isn't anything religious to them). Africans would be mad too ya know. No matter where you take land form someone will be angry. It just so happens it was the Muslims(most of Africa is muslim anyways). I don't know about you but if I was alive when we fought Britain to gain control of the U.S. I would be proud even if we had no military, no food, and no safety. Being free is above all, the Iraqi's see this in the war. They don't give a damn about continuing insrugency. They could care less about not having a military or being safe. They are free now. They can do whatever they want. You make it seem as if Iraq is pissed off and wants to start a war with us. Hardly the case. Most of them are very grateful(the others are terrorist or extremists). Where did the whole America free form terrorist thing come from? No country is free of terrorists, or ever WILL be. That was never a point of anybody's. We are still rebuilding places like South Korea(although it is almost as strong as France...) and our troops are still positioned there. Nobody said freedom doesn't come at a high price. It is always going to be necessary to keep soldiers there. Iraq is no different than any other Communist nation we made democracies out of. The only thing different is that America thinks Bush is bad and takes everything he does and finds a loophole in it. If they looked at the good he has done it would outweigh the bad heavily.Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2005-04-23 at 20:21:29
Actually indecisiveman or w/e your name is lol
the Korean War is an opinion whether we won, lost, or tied it. Some say we won it because we stop south korea from being communist. Some say we lost because we lost many men and still ended at the same border we started at. Some say we tied because we didnt get rid of the communist but the communist didnt take over south korea, So their but interesting train of though Bush lover
lol the Korean War is an opinion whether we won, lost, or tied it. Some say we won it because we stop south korea from being communist. Some say we lost because we lost many men and still ended at the same border we started at. Some say we tied because we didnt get rid of the communist but the communist didnt take over south korea, So their but interesting train of though Bush lover
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-04-23 at 22:09:09
QUOTE(aE-Felagund @ Apr 23 2005, 12:45 PM)
I'm shifting around here because I really despise repeating myself. Just for your information, the Arab's anger has only really existed in the past century. And if you would care to think, people use religion to back up a lot of things. Let's say the Crusades, the Salem Witch Trials, etc. etc. It's a lot easier to get people to do things when religion is involved. Christ, right now we're not looking at an America free of terrorism. We're looking at whether or not America will be free. Look at all the liberties that have snatched from our fingers. And for what? A paranoia that every person may be a terrorist? Sure, it's good to prepare, but we haven't prepared. We've pushed paper around, making it seem all fine and dandy, but really, we haven't done crap to prepare against a terrorist strike. Do you think it is really that hard to recruit five guys and infiltrate them into this nation? They don't need to smuggle a bomb in - they can just build some here. Plant the explosives and multiple buildings can be destroyed easily. They can hide and move to another part of the country, and we might not even be able to catch them. And indecisive, who do you think I was talking about - the only Chris arguing here.
Also, I never really liked taking nations away and giving them to people. Jews could have had a nice home anywhere else, say in Africa. Many of the Arabs were already pissed at them during World War II, as they had allied with Hitler, and the Muslim leaders used their religion to turn the Arabs against the Jews, whom had once been their friends. It's a multi-generational hatred you see in the Middle East. Sure, the freedom thing is wonderful, but frankly they do not have the experience necessary to have control over their nation. Nor can the United States have a military presence there indefinitely. The execution of the invasion of Iraq had all the militaristic perfection of Napoléon's invasion of Russia. What we've done is in essence created anarchy in Iraq, and our soldiers are the only thing keeping a small level of peace over there. We're training meatshields. Do we give them high-grade weapons? Do we give them tanks? Humvees? Where is their air force? You say George Bush is not the worst president, but I say he is has all the idiocy that America demands of him, and he has ed up nearly every aspect of America - our economy, our liberties, our schools, etc. etc. The Middle East is at a boiling point.
That is some truly amazing intellect at work there. I'm glad you have sufficient trust in our president to raise him above a monkey, though I don't know if you should do it by much.
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Also, I never really liked taking nations away and giving them to people. Jews could have had a nice home anywhere else, say in Africa. Many of the Arabs were already pissed at them during World War II, as they had allied with Hitler, and the Muslim leaders used their religion to turn the Arabs against the Jews, whom had once been their friends. It's a multi-generational hatred you see in the Middle East. Sure, the freedom thing is wonderful, but frankly they do not have the experience necessary to have control over their nation. Nor can the United States have a military presence there indefinitely. The execution of the invasion of Iraq had all the militaristic perfection of Napoléon's invasion of Russia. What we've done is in essence created anarchy in Iraq, and our soldiers are the only thing keeping a small level of peace over there. We're training meatshields. Do we give them high-grade weapons? Do we give them tanks? Humvees? Where is their air force? You say George Bush is not the worst president, but I say he is has all the idiocy that America demands of him, and he has
ed up nearly every aspect of America - our economy, our liberties, our schools, etc. etc. The Middle East is at a boiling point.That is some truly amazing intellect at work there. I'm glad you have sufficient trust in our president to raise him above a monkey, though I don't know if you should do it by much.
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What liberties have we lost? mmmm I haven't been effected by anything besides longer lines at security check points in Air Ports, which is fine by me cause I would not like a terrorist on my plane. Schools? Did you know Bush has given WAY MORE MONEY to schools then Clinton and past presidents have ever done and some how he is still getting bashed, what the hell. He finally does something you guys want and you still yell at him for it. Our Economy was still a shit whole before Bush was elected. On the monkey thing its called sarcasm. also, what would you know about how Iraq is? How their government is. How their army is? I do cause I read that fanastic book which illistrates how we are training Iraqis to become soldiers. Trust me, we have the best and best trained army in the world teaching another army how to do the same, we aren't training meat shields, since you know so much about how we are training them, give me one specific example on how WE are training THEM on how to clear structures of possible enemys. The only problem is Iraq has been its own government for about 3 MONTHS. Nations take YEARS to develope. Don't expect instant success as you are now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by indecisiveman on 2005-04-23 at 23:38:26
n20 that was Vietnam.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-04-24 at 16:36:55
I shall probably respond to some of the blatant naivety in this topic in a while, but for now I'm going to do some history revision.
I totally forgot that I'd posted in here, and then I see some of the responses I've got, and I really feel that they need answering.
I totally forgot that I'd posted in here, and then I see some of the responses I've got, and I really feel that they need answering.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by indecisiveman on 2005-04-24 at 22:31:50
Thanks for the MUCH needed warning....???
Spammage brought to you by Mr. Willy.
Spammage brought to you by Mr. Willy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2005-04-25 at 18:35:02
umm idecisive man maybe both wars could of been a win, lost, or a tie becuase im 99.9% positive that it could of been a win lost or a tie situation
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-04-27 at 01:19:35
ok, interesting
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PhexEon on 2005-04-27 at 13:08:03
Best-John F. Kennedy= John was the stuff everyonr liked him and he was a good person until...
Worst-Bill Clinton= The man may have been ok for the government but I don't trust his judgment.( he got a bj in the white house/ he did not even go away from home/ he stayed at the freakin white house)
Most overrated-George Dubya Busch= He made some right ones. He needs to take speech impedement classes.
Worst-Bill Clinton= The man may have been ok for the government but I don't trust his judgment.( he got a bj in the white house/ he did not even go away from home/ he stayed at the freakin white house)
Most overrated-George Dubya Busch= He made some right ones. He needs to take speech impedement classes.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-04-27 at 16:42:24
So you judge a president over his personal affairs. *Claps* No wonder America elected Bush.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2005-04-27 at 16:55:54
Hey, you hate Clinton for having an affair... but guess what? John F. Kennedy womanized, and did it in the same obsessive manner, (almost getting caught for the thrill of it). Quite a few Presidents cheated on their wives, but the press used to let it slip by, not prying into their personal matters.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-04-27 at 18:36:26
I was just looking at some old threads from other sites (posted back in late 2002 to early 2003). And i saw a thread just like this and you wont believe how many ppl indicted Bill Clinton as the worst president ever. 
And also, that was before this Iraq business occured...
And also, that was before this Iraq business occured...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-05-01 at 22:35:20
QUOTE(PhexEon @ Apr 27 2005, 12:08 PM)
Best-John F. Kennedy= John was the stuff everyonr liked him and he was a good person until...
Worst-Bill Clinton= The man may have been ok for the government but I don't trust his judgment.( he got a bj in the white house/ he did not even go away from home/ he stayed at the freakin white house)
Most overrated-George Dubya Busch= He made some right ones. He needs to take speech impedement classes.
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Worst-Bill Clinton= The man may have been ok for the government but I don't trust his judgment.( he got a bj in the white house/ he did not even go away from home/ he stayed at the freakin white house)
Most overrated-George Dubya Busch= He made some right ones. He needs to take speech impedement classes.
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I'm not the master of politics, but even I can see your opinion got knocked the
out by human.