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Wesmic does have an arguement.

1. Most Illegals are good people, but they are > *Illegal* <.

2. The have no respect for our laws by breaking them by entering the States illegally.

3. They cause languague problems in schools in many states, such as California.

4. They over crowd our schools, and cause legal Americans to have to pay for the illegal's children's schooling and hospital service.

5. The jobs they are taking are the ones that are readily avalaible, many high school students, such as myself, work these kinds of jobs for college and gas money. They are taking young people's jobs.

6. Many Americans are not as smart as you and me and every one here at SEN. Many Americans drop out of high school, which is a stupid move. But they need jobs too and many of the jobs that the illegals are taking are the only jobs the education less American needs.

7. Basically I don't want my tax money going to people who shouldn't be here, I don't want the people who shouldn't be here to take jobs that many Americans need, and I don't want my son/daughter going to a school that doesn't speak english any more.

Now here's the question: why can't you work at the wages they're paying at? If you're willing to work like them, then I'm pretty sure employers won't care.

Spaceboy... I am NOT willing to work for 2.50-3.00 an hour when i WOULD be making 10.00 dollars an hour if it werent for them.

Stars Chris, #4 and #6 are great points. My stepbrother did not graduate from highschool, i know, its his fault. He also did not hold a steady job until he was 21. He finally got a job in carpeting. He was making 12.25 an hour which is fantastic for a highschool drop out. He was "realeased" from his job because a GROUP of hispanics were willing to work for much less. It's unfair to people like this, the fact that people that aren't supposed to be here are stealing from... "The Hard Working American".

[startrant]I do agree with you on these aspects. Because, when I broke my wrist (Compund Fracture BLOD EVERYWHERE! Wo0T. ) I had to wait about 45 minutes to an hour longer because a ing immigrant had a hang nail (and that is the truth!)!!

But, if you drop out of high school you shouldn't be living. Simple as that. Biased? Hell yes it is. Most of the scumbags you see around the US that are as "bad" as they are, are high school srop outs. If you can't complete high school (one of the easiest things on earth) you are just a waste of space. Yes, there are those very few exceptions. But, most are not.

Also, I do agree with them getting "free" schooling. That IS a waste of money. They should not be aloud in school unless they can legitimittley supply a visa, green-card, or US authenification they should be put too work. Child labour laws? 'em. They shouldn't be here anyways...

Yes, I know my argument is based on 2 sides. But, this is something where you just kind of have to deal with right? Well... [/endrant]

Dark, you obviously don't know an actual person who has dropped out of high school. Many people have dropped out, yet they realize later that they made a mistake and try to make the best of it. Sometimes people don't have a choice. One of my friends has 9 siblings and a father who is on disability. He had to drop out of high school to get a job. Luckily for him, his job hasn't been robbed by illegal mexicans, but i'm sure stories like this have happened.

Well, that is the only bad thing about debating online. You don't really "know" the person.

But, anyways. I know several dropouts. I live in Nevada which has 2 of the highest rates. Dropout and Teen Suicide. The dropout rate isn't the highest in the coutnry but it is pretty damn close. And, I thought I said disabillity was an exception but I guess I just thought about it but never typed it.
Anyways, like I said there are those few exceptions. Right now, a couple of my closest friends are debating whether they should dropout or stay in school. And, if they do dropout I will lose 90% of my respect for them. Just because there are so many things that are harder in life than High School (unless you do have a disabillity). If you are too incompitent to complete high school then STFU and die. Just die, simple as that. Note the few exceptions...

Really I don't care about my views. They are crooked and askew. But, everything in life is crooked. Like Bush trying to make a stupid program that fell through the floor. (No Child Left Behind) Because of that the illegal aliens get "FREE" schooling off our taxes.

Gah... I ramble on too much... And I know people will say I do. It os my A.D.D.....

No respect for the law just because they came over here illegally? I guess I have no respect for the law too, because I drink alcohol at the age of 18. And neither does the policeman who saw me drinking it, and knew I was 18. I guess he doesn't care about the law either. Why, we should leave the country right now.
You guys are have no arguement on the stealing jobs thing. All it ultimately does is motivate americans to strive for the middle of upper class. Fall in or fall out.
for your # 7 thing. I personally would rather have my tax money go to people who need it, rather than really really rich people. (Go bitch to them about it, doubt they'll listen anyways)
I thought conservatives thought down the road, because according to this right now. They don't. The 1st generation immigrants bring kids over, and those are the ones that can't speak english. The kids that are BORN AND RAISED in america are the ones that can speak both english and spanish. (BTW - They're AMERICANS by now) Then their kids or grandkids will eventually be able to speak ONLY english. I'm looking down the road here right now, and I'm see America having more Americans in it. Why, isn't that one of the reasons why we became such a huge power in such little time? If you ask me, China best watch it's ass, cause we're getting immigrants.

Alpha, America has enough citizens in the country right now anyways. We're not trying to take over the world either. The fact is that Mexicans are breaking the law by coming over here in a submarine and taking jobs away from us. Yes, they do take jobs away because hard working americans are getting LAYED OFF and FIRED from their jobs for something they don't have control over. There is NOTHING that they can do about it because no matter how hard they have been working, they can't work harder than mexicans for the price.

Enough citizens already? That's like saying, we got enough power. We don't want anymore.
And we're not trying to take over the world either? Are you joking? If we had the ability to do it, you and I BOTH know we would.

We aren't trying to take over the world, although I actually think we could. Most people would disagree with that though. Mabye we should put poison in the river so that WB's can't get over here illegally.

Well, that's controversial. We could not take over the world right now if we tried. There are too many countries that could team up and take us out. If we did try and take over the world, we would have to take out the leading powers which could easily screw us over if they allied up with others. It's kind of like playing Melee on SC. There is one powerful player (The US) and 3-4 medium powers (Not sure of the others) and 1-2 weaker powers (Eastern Countries) If we tried taking out 2-3 of the medium powers they could ally up and that 1 power can only do so much. While we lay down our frontal attack and do some damage, we will need to resupply, create more fighters, etc... Soon after we attack you have 6-7 powers that have merged and are going to attack you. Game Over...

As for poisoning the river... That is just ludacris. That is oh so ing legal. Look, either have a decent argument, or don't say anything. So far, all I have heard from you is a load of bullshit. All youhave to say is "The damn mexicans steal all of the hard working American's jobs"... Well, if those people were so working, why are they doing all of the lower class labor jobs? hhhhhmmmm.... Let's ponder on this. So hard working they are picking my cabbages, mowing my lawn, and working at McDonalds... How many white hard working Americans do you see doing these jobs? 5 maybe 6? That's all I really see.

the only thing is... Canada would join us (they arent any help, but they have a lot of people). Also, pretty much all of Europe would join us except for a few countries.

Not if your trying to rule the world. If we were to go to war to try and be the number one power. You would have to take on your allies in one of two ways. Fight 'em and kill 'em or ally up. Simple as that. But, if we did try to be the primero power we would die trying and end up like one of those 3rd world middle eastern countries.

Regardless, the United States won't ever try something like that.
Lets try to get back on the topic of Mexicans taking our jobs.
It's only a matter of time before Mexicans start enrolling in college here and stealing some of the more knowledgable jobs...

Well, believe me. If the US had the power we would try and use it to benefit us. Regardless. No matter how "good" you are on the outside you will always have that inner evil. If you have mass amounts of power you will abuse it. Take Napoleon Bonaparte for a prime example. Napoleon started off nice and innocent. But, after he got a taste for power he slowly became cirrup and destroyed Great Britain during his reign.

Anyways, back onto topic. First of all, colleges don't just accept anybody. You would know this. Colleges are harder to get into because you must always be accepted. End of story.

We're moving into a global economy anyways; jobs are not being stolen by illegal immigrants more like Indian executives who know what's up. Its a futile battle and too costly to stop them all, and to be honest it isn't that big of a problem yet.

Now THAT is an oxymoron. Canada? A lot of people? Pfft, we'd be a burden. We have one of the lowest population density in the world. We can barely even patrol our own borders. In SC terms, we have three unupgraded Wraiths and about 12 marines on a 256x256 map, where everyone esle has maxed out supply with fully upgraded tanks, goliaths, and battlecrusiers.

Yes, our military sucks that much. Only ironic thing is that we're sitting on some of the most resource rich lands in the world. Well, then again, so does the Russians, and they're kinda worse off than us....

Well... I never knew that about Canada. I agree with you about wesmic. I may not a thing about Canada. But, what I do know is that there is no way they would be able to take on a world power. Although, it's not like they have done anything to provoke anyone to attack them(at least nothing that I know of).

You know, I wouldn't be suprised if the next era is continental-ism; a pride for your continent, like nationalism or the current religon wars we are facing.

Euro is already uniting most European countries. Once the value of that goes up, I wonder if other areas (like the Americas) will keep to one currency. Money makes the world go round...

Ok, back on subject.

Do any of you even live in the united states? or even a southern border state? I do, right now I live in Washington State, but I have lived in southern california and WTF!!!!!! I go to the store

Person: "mmm chico, chico busco al bano" or what ever, the chick was looking for the bathroom.

and then I go to Mc Donalds

Me: "Hi i would like a plain cheese burger and frys"

Employ: "Que?"

Me: "Como se dice engles?" or what ever I said it wrong but I was trying to ask her if she knew how to speak english.

Employ: "mm no no"

WTF and those are the things I can remember. I have had languague problems in California EVERY TIME I GO DOWN THERE FOR THE SUMMER AND WHEN I USE TO LIVE THERE.

Illegals DO TAKE American jobs, no matter how you try and defend them.

Illegals have no respect for national law.

Yes, if you break the law then you have no respect, obviously, for the laws in this country.

And for those of you who said we are only argueing about jobs Im saying this.

1. Illegals flood our schools.

2. Illegals flood our hospitals.

3. American have to pay for the Illegals.

4. Many Illegals don't pay taxes.

5. Illegals steal American jobs.

6. Illegals take away jobs from Americans. (American gets fired, replaced by illegal)

7. Illegals have no respect for our national laws.

8. Illegals cause languague problems in our country, this country is English, not hispanic.

9. The majority of people in our prisons are illegals.

and there are many more.

so I have come up with 9 arguements, not just the job arguement.

to stop them from crossing the border, heres a thought:
when they come get sleeping gas on them so they all fall asleep. Then bring them to the border of North Dokata and Canada. When they wake up, they just run into canada

But yes they are over flooding and stuff, but what do u expect? if u just crossed the border to America wouldnt u want a job/medical attention/education?

First off i was saying Canada has a lot of people because they do compared to most countries, and that's a lot we could add to our military.

Back on topic: I live in the U.S. and that is probably why I am against illegal immagrants, because I know, I don't only hear about it. I live in the 9th most hispanic populous state, and I must say, at times, I wish America was for only Americans...

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So do legals. Do you know how many people have been layed off in favor of employees from India? Your technical support is coming from the middle east son.

Why was there not this much hype when I brought up out-sourcing?


Last I checked, so do people who speak English. It isn't a one way street; every other bloody country on this planet is required to learn two languages, not just sit through the class for a few years, to survive.

If you were smart, you would realize that one major language problem is with hispanic illegals sending their children to schools, flooding them. Teachers are forced to learn multiple langauges to be able to teach the class. This causes less jobs becuase many teachers don't want to learn the new language or have problems(unemployment). Also this costs the tax payer's money cause then schools have to fund education language learning for the teachers.

and thats just one example.