Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-20 at 21:39:13
QUOTE(DevliN_ @ Jun 20 2005, 06:26 PM)
The Japanese should of attacked China instead. I mean, China doesn't have any allies.
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China was our allie at the time. We had troops stationed there. That is why we were going to go straight for Tokyo. Fly straight over them and bomb them, then send in our fleet.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-06-20 at 21:40:24
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The Japanese should of attacked China instead. I mean, China doesn't have any allies.
They did. (I think it was before the war though, not too sure when)And china beat them, but china was divided upon itself, communists and capitalists. The capitalists moved to Taiwan which was then recognized by the U.S. to be the new China, we wouldn't trade with China only with Taiwan. Because were unfriendly. Just recently china got it's possition back.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-06-20 at 23:26:16
QUOTE(Theoretical_Human @ Jun 20 2005, 06:24 PM)
I think it's somewhat called for, Millnenium's post is objectionable at best. However, keep that to PM, or leave out "dolt". [sarcasm]Someone might get offended!!! [/sarcasm]
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I've already got a box full of his complaints. No need for any more
"dolt" wasn't anything. You should see some of the PMs i've gotten from him.
QUOTE(devilesk @ Jun 20 2005, 06:27 PM)
I think it was the smiley that just made it a little offensive, and took away from some of the meaning. Without it I wouldn't really object with what he said because it could actually be true. But I don't see anything funny with it them failling miserably either. Then again Mill did say the smiley didn't mean for it to be funny, so I think it's just a misunderstanding. Personally, I would have used 
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Yea if i wanted to make something funny, I'd use this:
or this: 
QUOTE(DevliN_ @ Jun 20 2005, 08:26 PM)
The Japanese should of attacked China instead. I mean, China doesn't have any allies.
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They did. But China didn't beat them, they were overrun by the japanese.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-21 at 00:01:11
In the movie Pearl Harbor, near the end didn't the people in the bombers try to land in China after dropping bombs in Japan? It talked about how China was allies and stuff.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wise_lb120 on 2005-06-21 at 00:41:39
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Jun 20 2005, 09:23 AM)
one of those japanese generals told the others saying that they must be prudent and expedient in their tactics so that they will not wake the "sleeping giant" (aka the United States of America).
They failed... miserably
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the one general who wakes the "sleeping giant" was named Hideki Tojo, during the war the Japanese develop an hunta or a group of mitalitist to attk america and the emperor of was in no power of preventing that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-21 at 01:09:26
QUOTE(devilesk @ Jun 20 2005, 09:01 PM)
In the movie Pearl Harbor, near the end didn't the people in the bombers try to land in China after dropping bombs in Japan? It talked about how China was allies and stuff.
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Dude.... Pearl Harbor is a movie created by Hollywood. Most of the facts in there are so twisted around... But to answer your question, yeah. We were allies with China. Ever played the board game, Axis & Allies......?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-06-21 at 01:28:18
yes china was our allies because they were the weaker ones, well as someone said, only half tyhe chinese were. They were attacked by japan before ww2 thats why we cut the oil. Kellimus what he said about pearl harbor was true. That really happened.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-21 at 01:42:58
I didn't say it didn't. I just said that he shouldn't believe everything that was made in hollywood.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-06-21 at 10:43:44
QUOTE(DevliN_ @ Jun 20 2005, 06:26 PM)
The Japanese should of attacked China instead. I mean, China doesn't have any allies.
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Have you ever heard of the Rape of Nanking?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-06-21 at 20:46:55
No, I have not. Care to elaborate?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by des on 2005-06-21 at 23:13:37
QUOTE(DevliN_ @ Jun 20 2005, 09:26 PM)
The Japanese should of attacked China instead. I mean, China doesn't have any allies.
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The Rape of Nanking
Intriguing that such a culture is so glorified in the western world.
I think the Japanese had it coming, personally. The conspiracy about them trying to surrender...that's the first I've heard of it, and I want to see something more than the History Channel (being the media, they'll publish conspiracy if it boosts ratings). You've got a culture that wouldn't surrender, and a war of attrition woulda made a new red sea, if you know what I'm saying. Consider geography and the difficulty of conducting a land assault on Japan, and a couple of atomic bombs isn't all that much.
On Dresden vs. Hiroshima/Nagasaki
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Civilian death estimates vary wildly largely as a result of propaganda figures which received widespread publicity at the time, however the most recently available "evidence" by "Dresden deniers" points to 35,000 deaths, which is less than the number that died in Hamburg, but Dresden was a smaller city. Numbers between 25,000 - 140,000 have been used in official statistics and the higher figure is more likely correct; estimates in western Germany were often higher than the 35,000 used in the east. At that time, Dresden's population was 600,000, but hundreds of thousands of refugees were living in and passing through Dresden as the Russians were now only fifty miles away. The entire inner city (15 square kilometres) was utterly devastated, and other quarters were damaged to some degree, the many villa quarters, however, on average much less than others.
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During World War II, the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan, were destroyed by atomic bombs dropped by the United States military on August 6 and August 9, 1945, respectively, killing at least 100,000 civilians outright and many more over time.
As to the thing about hitting the city as a test, they were both important military targets...
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At the time of its bombing, Hiroshima was a city of considerable military significance. It contained the headquarters of the Fifth Division and Field Marshal Hata's 2nd General Army Headquarters, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan. The city was a communications center, a storage point, and an assembly area for troops. It was chosen as a target because it had not suffered damage from previous bombing raids, allowing an ideal environment to measure the damage caused by the atomic bomb. The city was mobilized for "all-out" war, with thousands of conscripted women, children and Koreans working in military offices, military factories and building demolition and with women and children training to resist any invading force.
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The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great wartime importance because of its wide-ranging industrial activity, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials.
Source for quotes, wikipedia
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shmeeps on 2005-06-21 at 23:56:10
QUOTE(aE-Felagund @ Jun 19 2005, 11:50 AM)
Let's not forget Dresden people. We firebombed that civilian target of 150,000 people, killing just about everyone. That was more destructive than both Japanese cities' fatalities combined, even including the radiation poisoning and all deaths caused from the bombs after the initial explosions, by about (I believe) 50,000 deaths.
Not only that, but the Wehrmacht had abandoned Dresden. It was an art city, packed with refugees from the advance of the Red Army. And we killed them. We killed them all. No military value whatsoever to Nazi Germany as they were gone from that city.
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Not only that, but the Wehrmacht had abandoned Dresden. It was an art city, packed with refugees from the advance of the Red Army. And we killed them. We killed them all. No military value whatsoever to Nazi Germany as they were gone from that city.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there actually 650,000 people in Desden? And no one knows the exact death count, people say it's from 25,000 to 300,000.
QUOTE(Euro @ Jun 20 2005, 01:06 AM)
Ya especially to a guy whose grandfather died at omaha just so you can say "it wouldn't be that bad to live under them". ya if you consider being gassed, cremated, starved, given diseases, and just plain being shot in packs of dozens not bad then maybe.
Guess he was wrong, some people are stupid.
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No direct insults. You may disagree, but nobody is stupid. We all have our seperate opinions. Thank you.
Guess he was wrong, some people are stupid.
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I'd also like to point out that in places like Treblinka and other camps, they would cut off people arms ect and see how long they lived and what happened to them, among many other horrible expirements.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-06-22 at 00:34:39
And I thought the Japanese were cool.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-06-22 at 00:38:33
ya that was because of that german scientist... what was him name again? They would peel off the skin of a human being and see how long he lived, give them poisons to see the effects, etc.
I also thought they had honor. I say we should of bombed that entire island(s) to hell.
I also thought they had honor. I say we should of bombed that entire island(s) to hell.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-06-22 at 00:45:54
Since the loss of more life can be justified right?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by des on 2005-06-22 at 01:58:12
QUOTE(Euro @ Jun 22 2005, 12:38 AM)
ya that was because of that german scientist... what was him name again? They would peel off the skin of a human being and see how long he lived, give them poisons to see the effects, etc.
I also thought they had honor. I say we should of bombed that entire island(s) to hell.
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Dr. Mengele?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-22 at 10:55:20
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I also thought they had honor.
They did it to POWs, who in their view were dishonourable, for letting themselves become POWs. That's why the Japs fought to the last man, instead of giving up when they had no chance.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-06-22 at 14:47:12
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And I thought the Japanese were cool.
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Because of the attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, their outlook on life has changed drastically; they are much, much more peaceful and try to avoid conflict, and actually instead of hating westerners they want to be like us...to an extent. There used to be charities and drives set up so that they could wear american jeans, but I think most of those have stopped...looked at what they wear, and how they dye their hair, and how they act. Its pretty cool to think about.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wise_lb120 on 2005-06-22 at 19:32:14
in today's japanese history book they dont display what was going was really going on. they just learn about the a-bomb and pearl harbor in japan i think.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-06-23 at 11:07:50
Ugh that link actually has an image of a raped woman with... are those sticks in her... dear Lord...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-06-23 at 11:10:18
Yup, sticks...
For them, would that feel good or bad? Because... you know
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For them, would that feel good or bad? Because... you know
EDIT: Nvm
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-06-23 at 11:21:15
good choice, milleniumarmy. 