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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-06-19 at 11:23:26
Was the nuclear attack on Hirojima warranted?

[on a side note, people who speak japanese, is it ひろじま or ひろしま?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-19 at 11:27:32
Ummm... do you mean the A-Bomb? Fat Man I think? WWII?

Or is this recent =( Scary.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Shattered_moose on 2005-06-19 at 12:02:35
She means dropping the nuke on Hiroshima (I believe thats the phoenetic pronounciation) at the end of WWII. I think that while it may not have been fully warrented (massive attack on a civilian center), but it did lead to surrender. Wether or not they would have surrendered without the bombings remains to be seen. However, the fact that we bombed two of thier cities in succesion, before even waiting to see if they would surrendor after the first bombing, strikes me as rather barbaric.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2005-06-19 at 12:07:27
What is Hirojima and who is dropping nukes. Omg i hate the world when peoople kill people for no reason or for somthing stupid. I think that Everyone should just get along and be 1 person.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2005-06-19 at 12:08:21
I don't think that anything warrants the obliteration of a civillian city. Hiroshima was not justified, and Nagasaki was certainly not justified.

I heard that the reason for Nagasaki was that the scientists wanted more data on the effects of an atomic bomb when dropped on a city. I think that's despicable.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-19 at 12:14:30
If that's what she means, yes. The Japanese then fought to the last man, and more people would have died had the U.S. not droped the bombs. The States did give warning, and the Japanese didn't surrender until they realised that they could not do any damage to the enemy. They were fighting under an outdated Samurai code (in essence, no POWs), which was giving reason for kamikaze attacks... So basically, more people would have died had the bombs not been dropped. It sucks but it's true.

It's Hiroshima, by the way, I was wrong, it was little boy, Fat Man was Nagasaki.

ADDITION:
I took a little long, I was trying to figure out what the name of the city actually was, when I made post #6 I had only seen up to #3.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-06-19 at 12:50:34
Let's not forget Dresden people. We firebombed that civilian target of 150,000 people, killing just about everyone. That was more destructive than both Japanese cities' fatalities combined, even including the radiation poisoning and all deaths caused from the bombs after the initial explosions, by about (I believe) 50,000 deaths.

Not only that, but the Wehrmacht had abandoned Dresden. It was an art city, packed with refugees from the advance of the Red Army. And we killed them. We killed them all. No military value whatsoever to Nazi Germany as they were gone from that city.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-19 at 13:32:25
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Let's not forget Dresden people. We firebombed that civilian target of 150,000 people, killing just about everyone. That was more destructive than both Japanese cities' fatalities combined, even including the radiation poisoning and all deaths caused from the bombs after the initial explosions, by about (I believe) 50,000 deaths.

Not only that, but the Wehrmacht had abandoned Dresden. It was an art city, packed with refugees from the advance of the Red Army. And we killed them. We killed them all. No military value whatsoever to Nazi Germany as they were gone from that city.
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Where the hell did you hear this?

I think the atomic attacks (atomic and nuclear are two completely different things) were not justified. We were getting our asses whooped in the Philipeans. There was one beach, I don't recall the name, where we got totally and completely anihilated (It's in the Philipeans) That pissed us off. So, we warned them of our "Great Power", and they still wouldn't surrender (The Japs are the shit!) So, we bombed the shit outa them.

How censored.gif of us. We shoulda stuck with the real plan, and invaded Tokyo from all around like we wanted to.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-06-19 at 16:19:36
Morally, the nuclear bombing of the Japanese cities Hiroshima and Nagasaki was very wrong. Strategically and tactically, the bombing of the aforementioned cities was the right thing to do.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-19 at 16:26:52
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Jun 19 2005, 01:19 PM)
Morally, the nuclear bombing of the Japanese cities Hiroshima and Nagasaki was very wrong. Strategically and tactically, the bombing of the aforementioned cities was the right thing to do.
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It was not a nuclear attack, it was an atomic
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-06-19 at 16:30:32
Kind of... They both are at an atomic level though tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-19 at 16:36:20
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Kind of... They both are at an atomic level though tongue.gif
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True, but a nuclear attack is much more devistating then an atomic one.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-19 at 16:41:26
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Morally, the nuclear bombing of the Japanese cities Hiroshima and Nagasaki was very wrong. Strategically and tactically, the bombing of the aforementioned cities was the right thing to do.

I would have to completly disagree with you there. It would have been immoral to bomb Tokyo, which was incredibly compact. It saved lives, because there was about a 0.1% chance the Japanese would have given up otherwise.

Dresden is another story, that's totally off topic. I mean, common, why not just list off all the disasters of WWII if you're going to say that. "HEY GUYS, LETS NOT FORGET THE HOLOCAUST".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-06-19 at 16:43:15
Well, Hirojima seems to be a jazz band, so I think you meant Hiroshima.
Anyway, I read someplace that Little Boy ended the Vietnam war, while Fat man started the Cold War. Little boy also had a bigger blast radius than fat man.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-19 at 16:50:04
Uhh... actually, I'm pretty sure they just both ended Japans involvment in WWII. The Cold War was between the Soviets and the States (and their respective allies), and was just scaring the shit out of eachother with dangerous ballistic (eventually) massive weapons. The only thing Fat Man had to do with the Cold War was that it was the reason Soviets decided to research atomic weapons... they didn't want to be controlled by the U.S.

This is why you take History in high school people... you're only one step away from asking a Polish person how many pols were in the SS.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Forsaken on 2005-06-19 at 16:51:27
My favorite quote about warfare was from our good 'ole friend Mr. Albert Einstein.




"I know not of the weapons that the Third World War will be fought with, but I do know that the Fourth World War will be fought with sticks and stones."


"So long as there are men...there will be wars."

These two quotes pretty much sum up human nature.

Violent and stupid.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-19 at 16:52:38
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I read someplace that Little Boy ended the Vietnam war

Little Boy was droped before the Vietnam War even started.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Forsaken on 2005-06-19 at 16:53:50
Wow... I took along time to post that. I would have had post 13 if no one else had responded.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-19 at 16:55:06
Jake, you're going to have to tell me how that relates to the A-Bombs.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-06-19 at 17:23:43
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Little Boy was droped before the Vietnam War even started.
Oh right Whoops, hiroshima ended WW2.
And it's just not nice telling people to take high school history courses, as they are required. I took Advanced Placement history. And I was right about Fat Man, it did start the cold war. Russia did not begin to make nukes until 1949.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-19 at 17:33:59
Russia did not exist in 1949.

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It was ze USSR at that point in time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-06-19 at 18:05:03
The Japanese are smart. They should of seen it coming.

"We'll piss off one of the strongest military forces of the world by attacking Pearl Harbor, and let's not expect any reprecussions to that attack. I mean, the U.S is stupid."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2005-06-19 at 18:10:19
In japan, any man trying to negoiate peace with the Americans would be executed. Diplomates from Japan attempted to use Stalin to communicate with the USA, since they wanted to surrender at this point. the contacted a few other countries I believe. Eventually, Truman got information that japan had been trying to surrender, but hid it from the public at large. The nuclear bombing was entirely unwarranted, only a way to show Stalin our new "toy", as to keep him in line. This came at the expense of the deaths of hundreds of thousands of deaths. History channel is my reference.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-19 at 18:15:57
What was the History channel's source? Anything I can take a look at? Otherwise why bother even saying you have a source?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2005-06-19 at 18:38:48
QUOTE(DevliN_ @ Jun 19 2005, 04:05 PM)
The Japanese are smart. They should of seen it coming.

"We'll piss off one of the strongest military forces of the world by attacking Pearl Harbor, and let's not expect any reprecussions to that attack. I mean, the U.S is stupid."
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Wasn't the United States' military in bad shape before WWII? I mean, they were in an economic depression.
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