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Okay, I am seriously pissed off right now. What you are about to read...I have already typed once. About 4/5s of the way through, Firefox decided I had too much text on the page or something, and just randomly closed. BLEGHRRRrrmifoenfonPANTS.

Anywho:

Kellimus, why did you post? If you hadn't, it would have ended, and been over with, but you two keep going back and forth, trying to get the last word and, and disprove and humiliate the other, when your just making yourselves look like idiots. Just stop it.

But ZB2k, he has a point. When it comes to what happens to someone when they are under the influence of drugs, you have no room to speak, if you yourself have never done anything. You're simply posting rumors and common misinformation, along with a lot of other people in here. I'm going to try to add in my two cents, starting from the top...

Get ready for a seriously long post.

"Everyone says that Marijuana is the "worst" drug out there. To me, that is bull shit. It is probibly the safest one out there. I believe that Methampetemine is the worst drug out there, even worse then Heroin!"

Although I have never, ever heard anyone claim that marijuana is the worst drug out there, it is definitely not. However, I disagree with you on crystal meth being the worst drug out there. In my opinion, the single most fatal drug would easily be PCP. Angel Dust. Phencyclidine. Started off as a horse tranquilizer, this drug has effects on the human mind and body like you wouldnt believe. It is powerful enough to make affect your subconscious motor skills, that is, you can forget to breathe, and die of suffocation; you wouldn't even feel the pain associated with it. It has been known to make kids claw through their skin and tear our inner organs until they collapsed dead because "God told them to." Very dangerous stuff. Not very common anymore, and for obvious reasons.


"It is good to keep all the other ones off the street (Except Mushrooms...... Those are fun happy.gif) but wasting so much money on Marijuana is just plain dumb."

Disagree with the first half, agree with the second half. I believe that no recreational drug should be illegal...regardless of how "stupid and dangerous" it is. I believe that I have the right to do with my body as I wish, and the idea that a power above me is saying no, because its "too dangerous"...lol, reminds me of the movie I, Robot. (How the robots eventually realized the only way to protect the human race was to enslave them? To make sure they dont hurt themselves?)
As for the bit about the "war on drugs" being a stupid waste of money, I couldn't agree more. The thought that we are spending money chasing and fighting such a STUPID cause, when we are desperately looking for money for apparently LESS important things such as, ya know, health care, education...all of that crap. But once again, we are back at America's "Blame something else" syndrome, and many people have actually begun to believe that marijuana and other drugs are the reason for America's poor state of condition. (relative)


"So I believe that Marijuana is not as bad as the government says it is. If they were to legalize it, most the people would quit smoking."

I have no clue where you got that "quit smoking" thing from. Really. I doubt too many people would trade in their tobacco for marijuana.
But the government DOES lie, very much so, about the dangers of marijuana. I'm all for trying to persuade kids to focus on the important things, like school, friends, etc, but using misinformation in ANY case...unacceptable. Some of the government's strongest arguments against weed is how "addicting" it is, how its the "gateway" drug that will cause you to start shooting up and huffing, and how "deadly dangerous" it is...none of which are true. For one, weed isnt exactly what you'd call "addicting."
In fact, you're more likely to become addicted to chocolate. Why? Because THC addiction is mostly psychological...very rarely does one's BODY every develop a "thirst" for it. But chocolate containes two substances that could both be considered drugs: Sugar, and caffeine. Both sugar and caffeine can be addicting, both psychologically and physiologically. Now, for the gateway thing...bleh. Bullshit. We already know that almost ALL people try some other drug before they try weed, whether it be cocaine (me...I think I'm alone in this one), alcohol, caffeine, or like I mentioned earlier...sugar. Plus, the whole concept of a "gateway drug" is a very poor one at that. The theory goes that when someone tried THC (The so-called gateway drug) the will enjoy the high, and continue to smoke weed, but will eventually get bored, and try something else, something harder, and will eventually end up a heroine addict living on the street giving oral sex to strangers for their next hit. Most people I know that smoke weed...do just that. Smoke weed, drink alcohol...and thats about it. No heroine, no crack, no meth. More lies and misinformation. And this next one...well, this one is pretty nice. The government didnt just warp the truth, they flat out lied. It was a couple years back, there was a TV anti-marijuana ad warning kids about the 'dangers' of weed. Let's do a comparison.
(Drug) (Number of direct deaths a year caused by drug)
Tobacoo 4,900,000++
Alcohol 60,000++
Marijuana 0

Truth is, it is physically impossible to OD on THC. You simply cannot overload your system with it. You can get to the point where you pass out, and trip for a very long time, but you cannot die from THC. Plain and simple. Some might argue that weed makes you crazy, makes you feel euphoric (that youre invincible), and thus you end up dying in a stupid situation. These are people that have never used marijuana. Of course, everyone's trip variates, but on average, when you smoke weed...you dont feel like climbing up on the roof to see if you can fly, or trying to dodge traffic...you dont feel like doing much at all. Just kick back, and relax...and thats about it. Now, about driving...(once again, everyones different) When you're high on THC, the slightest movement seems very exaggerated. Thus, going over 30mph makes you feel like you could crash and die at any moment, and thus you tend to drive verrrry slowly, and very carefully. Of course, cops look for this, and youre likely to get busted. But you shouldnt be out on the roads anyway...doing any sort of drug that would impair your motor functions and your alertness, and then driving...thats just irresponsible. Not only are you putting YOUR life at stake, your potentially risking the lives of others. Once again, in simple, don't get high if you're going to have to go somewhere. Find a time where you can just kick back and relax, and let it wear off.
Dont be stupid.



"But Marijuana affects your senses!"

This is very true. THC sharply increased your sense of taste (a very pleasant thing, I might add), of smell, of sound, of touch, but (in my experiences) reduces your sense of sight...or, at least, the ability to process what you are seeing. But you werent referring to these senses, you were referring to the ability to focus, and the ability to DRIVE. See above.



"Now, onto another drug I think (notice the bold...) isn't bad..... Mushrooms."

Although there are very minimal long-term effects from shrooms, other than perhaps a changed outlook on life, you CAN overdose on them, and a shroom overdose is a very painful one (if not fatal) My friend Kyle can testify to that. Simply put, know what youre doing, know what to expect, just plain do your research before trying anything that can be potentially fatal. or even risky. Ortherwise, you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.



"LSD in my opinion is the most dangerous drug a person can take. One ounce of LSD, or Acid can put over 1,000 people on a trip, that shows how little Acid is needed to send you trippin"

One OUNCE of LSD?! Good GOD...the average dose for a single trip is 200 MICROGRAMS. MICROgrams. An OUNCE would be enough LSD for 300,000 doses. That's the equivalent of snorting 6,614 pounds of cocaine!!!...more than three tons of cocaine!... Okay, anywho...You never really did point out why you think LSD is so dangerous...yes, you can trip in ways that you cant trip on other drugs, but that doesnt mean its dangerous. I really dont see how "thinking you visited the playboy mansion when really all you did was stare at a wall" qualifies it as the most fatal drug available. (Also, just for the record, none of that actually happens on LSD. Once again, the misinformation tactic....bad.) You DID have the "You go on such intense trips because blood drips from the back of you brain/skull onto your spinal cord." statement, but I have no clue where you got that from. I'd love to hear your source.




"Ecstacy is just like a lot of pills. I'm not sure, but I think it's a depressant."
False
"Ecstacy is an aphrodisiac (who knows how to spell that word)"
False.

If anything, ecstasy is a stimulant/psychoactive.




"That is a drug too. Caffeine is the most addictive drug (besides Meth)"

WHAT?!? Where the hell?!??.....Caffeine is more addicting than heroin? More addicting than cocaine? More addicting than crack? More addicting than all the prescription medicines? Dude...you are soooo way off.




"I hear once you try Crystal Meth once, you won't be able to stop for a long time. Sometimes you get a feeling that there's bugs everywhere, crawling on you and you try to pick them off, and you...um...basically skin yourself to death."

Sadly, this is true. When on a heavy trip, or if you have been using for a long time, you begin to get the sensation of a swarm of small bugs crawling all over you. People have been known to scratch through their skin into muscle tissue, and end up bleeding to death.



"Marijuana, because it isn't very addictive. Hell, its safer and less addictive than tobacco, I hear."

Absolutely true. Marijuana is almost nil addictive, especially compared to tobacco. And as for negative side effects? Effects from sustained heavy highs over an extended period of time are respitory problems associated with smoke inhalation, slightly decreased motor function, less responsive speech, and a general decrease in congotive ability. Withdrawal symptoms? Slight loss of appetite, boredom with not being high :-P Side effects of tobacco? Effects from sustained heavy smoking over an extended period of time are...well...everybody knows. Emphysema, lung cancer, death, etc etc.




"Why would you watse time smoking grass and inhaling it into your lungs, to your bloodstream, and to your brain just so you can go nuts when it affects your brain chemistry and renders you incapable of intelligent action for six hours?"

Spoken like a true cannabis virgin. For one, you have no clue what you're talking about, so you shouldn't be advocating for a side anyway, and two, who are you to say what other people can and can't enjoy doing? Why do you play video games that you enjoy? They're obviously not good for your health, but you play them anyway. I know, thats a rough comparison, but still. You think people should be denied the right to do what they want to do with their own bodies simply because others don't agree with it?



"It can't be fun to be eating poisonous plants and then drive and hot someone because you were sure that you were piloting a plane through a magical rainbow,"

How would you know? You've obviously never done anything, or else you would know that would never happen. You have a very strong misconception on what the term "hallucination" means. And once again...everybody enjoys different things. I really don't think you have the right to tell someone what to they do and don't enjoy.



"Once drigs become addicting, they continue to wreak havoc on your brain more and more as you take more of the drug."

Also, LSD is not addicting. Not physically, and sure as hell not psychologically. It's not exactly something you want to do again anytime soon...and all physical traces of it are removed from youre body after three days. Someone mentioned it being stored in body fat when taken in large amounts...not sure about that, but I do know that its completely water soluble, so it SHOULD pass through the body without a problem.


"Marijuana affects your brain way more than tobacco cigarettes. I pity people who are so desperate to try new things and detach themselves from reality that they inhale burning grass and have fun as they kill themselves and hurt people without even being aware of it."

Once again you are mistaken. THC doesnt affect your mind MORE, it just affects your mind in a different way. "I pity people who are so desperate to try new things and detach themselves from reality" err...I don't (well..didn't) smoke weed to detach myself form reality...I did it to experience the sensation of being high. As life on this little planet is so short, I hate to miss out on things. Plus, it's great fun to record yourself and watch it later with your buddies. Great humor. "inhale burning grass and kill themselves" Well, I could be technical, and say that you're not inhaling burning grass, your inhaling the fumes/smoke from burning marijuana, but I wont. Now, where did you get the "killing yourself" thing from? I'd love to see how you can prove that smoking marijuana is any more harmful than smoking tobacco. Really.



"Using drugs to screw up your mind and talk to dogs seems completely irrational and stupid, how is this beneficial. Do you even care if you have a good life and the capabilities of finacnailly supporting yourself and your children?"

So what if it seems irrational and stupid to you, doesnt mean it should be banned. Once again, you're trying to dictate what other people enjoy. That's a nono.
And what does smoking marijuana have to do with supporting a family and living a sucessful life? Despite what you see on TV, many people who smoke pot live very sucessful lives. The ads with the kid in the basement living with his parents smoking weed all day? A load of bullshit.



"I'm all for drugs that save lives and help people survive or retain mental stability, but marijuana is just a mild narcotic that ruins the chemical balance in your brain and the ability to comprehend simple thoughts and sounds."

Marijuana has had many uses medicinally. Some of the most common or for mild to severe pain, or the nasuea associated with chemotherapy. And once again, you are talking about the effects of marijuana, yet you have no clue what you are talking about. You cannot truly know what its like to be high on THC until youve been high on THC, just like you cannot know the taste of a certain food until you taste it, no matter how well people describe it, or how no blind person can ever truly know what color is like until they've seen it.


"'m telling you, if the usa were to make weed legale, and put a tax on it. 1. we would take money from the drug war and put it into bombs to destroy the towel heads 2. tourists will come over and give us more money. 3. the usage will go down a whole lot."

Okay, I'm not with you on the bombing of the muslims, but you definitely have a point. If the government were to remove the ban on weed, and allowed to to be grown in limited quanities, or even sold a permit for owning/growing your own weed, and taxed the trade of said marijuana...then we would definitely get a very large bonus to our revenue (plus all the money we waste every year fighting the evil plague that is marijuana) I dont believe the usage would go down a lot, but it wouldn't really rise that much either. I mean, anyone can get marijuana any time, anywhere. The fact that its legal I highly doubt would cause some major surge in usage; I dont think my grandma would go buy some, just because it's legal now. Also, think of if ALL recreational drugs were legal (and taxed) Not only would revenues skyrocket (anyone who says the drug business isnt a big one, raise your hand) but crime would drop dramatically. If the government overlooked the buying/selling of said drugs, we would no longer have to worry about quality (no mixed batches) We would have less murders over drug deals gone bad, because there is no longer a need to buy behind the governments back. Anyone who disagrees, look up prohibition, around the 1920's. When the government outlawed alcohol, there was a major uprising in crime rate, as people were gonna get there booze, whether it was legal or not. Speakeasy's popped up all over the place, gangs were mowing each other down in effort to be the sole provider of bootlegged alcohol, and many people died from getting tainted booze. (Think the Jake walk) And once government repealed prohibition...well, that all stopped. How many murders have been committed in the past 40 years or so because someone got ripped off buying moonshine? A lot less than prohibition years, I'd imagine.

(This is where I was when Firefox got bored and decided to close on me...that sucked soo much ass, having to re-type all that.)

"Let's legalize Marijuana. We're idiots. Guess what? Does anyone remember "Amsterdam"? They legalized many drugs and what happened? The place is shit. "

Okay, they legalized marijuana and shrooms. Not exactly "many." Also, you say the place is shit...they have one of the lowest crime rates in all of Europe. They have THE lowest drug addiction rate in all of Europe. Explain to me how that is "shit," especially considering they have legalized weed, which in your eyes 'causes everyone to lose their mind' (Also, what the hell is with the personal attacks? You're not going to persuade people to view your...er...viewpoint by insulting them)

"First off, how do you know it isn't shit?"

Well, doesnt matter. Were in an "innocent til proven guilty" country buddy. Also, you're the one that made the presumption that the country was, indeed, "shit", so you should be the one to explain why it his, not him have to defend the country. Analogy= I call your pants blue. You say theyre not. I say explain why their not. Its MY stupid claim, so why are you being forced to explain? Makes no sense in either situation.



"Plus, cigerrates do not cause any noticable change in the way that you think, they are only addicting. If someone just smoked a whole pack of cigerrates and then they walked into the same room as you, you could not tell that they just smoked a pack of cigs by the way he or she is acting and behaving. If someone just did pot, you can tell."

Actually...if someone who was not an extremely heavy smoker chain-smoked an entire pack of cigarettes (about 20 cigs?), you would definitely notice a change in their behavior. Average nicotine dose=~1 gram. Amount in average cig? 1-2 grams. We'll go with 1.5. With about 20 cigs in a pack, your getting about 30 grams of nicotine. 30 times more than a single dose. 15 times more than a strong dose. 7 times a heavy dose. Thats a lot of stimulant. Yeah...you're gonna notice a difference, buddy.


(I cannot comment on the rest of the posts, because its mostly "Youre stupid! Leave me alone!" "No youre stupid! Im right and youre wrong! YOU leave ME alone!" "Haha you mispelled a word and you're calling ME stupid! Shut up and leave me alone!)



Eventually, the government will get over this bullshit "Find an alternate source and blame it" epidemic. I hope.

ok... hard question

i belive that drugs r running countries into the ground (nt medicines) and r destroying pplz lives. drugs such as heroin, cocain, mariwana and crack r sick. if ppl r so stupid 2 take drugs, then they deserve 2 die. i am a follower of charles darwin. his theory that evolution is nothing more than deleting bad genes is completely true. drug takers must have similar genes that compel them to take drugs and steal for money. i think that sooner or later, drug taker genes will die out and drugs will cease to b(which is gr8) until then...


BAN DRUGS!

dude...drugs have been here since early civilization i dont think drug users are going away for a long time. Also drug taking isnt a gene its for pleasure purposes and when was there a stealing gene?

Let the hippies shoot themselves up, smoke week, etc.. It makes them easier to kill.

Well... of course I have, look who we are talking about. I always use it after I toke up that way none of my teachers or parents have a clue that I do drugs. I think everyone that smokes marijuana keeps a bottle of vizen (i think it's spelled vizine) on them, it's like the best way to hide that you do it.

Do you take me for an ignoramus? That I'm making this stuff up? This is a debate, expect opposition my friend as in a debate, people will argue against your points. Personal attacks only prove that you are having trouble with justifying yourself and your ability to talk with dogs when high on drugs, and so you try to make everything I said wrong. Do not pretend to know me in any way or what I know about or have knowledge on.

You admitted that it impairs the brain. That is not good, expecially if you try to drive a car. if someone thinks they can talk to dogs, I'm going to assume that they are not completely coherent and capable of making good decisions while driving. The fact that everyone has different hallucinations when they are high means that it doesn't have a predictable effect on the brain. If you had been hitting your leg witha hammer until you fractured the bones in it, you wouldn't think that was good would you. Why whould the equivelant effect on the brain be any different.

As for grass, I used it as an example. I'm not going to list off all the plants that people like to smoke. Why the hell would you want to take a plant, light it on fire, and inhale the smoke so it soaks into your blood stream and into your brain? Please tell me, as it doesn't seem beneficial to your health. You damage the tissue in your lungs, your veins, your heart, and your brain. As for the brain going 'back to routine' when you stop for a while, that's the equivelant of someone who cuts their wrist every night,. When they stop, the scars remain there forever. With frigs, those scars are in your brain, lungs, and heart.

It is the point of a debate to be arguing a position. If you can't suport your side any longer, then do not try to point out that this whole thing was pointless and you have no idea why people are debating, this is your thread remember.

People smoke drugs. people get high. people crash cars, or they continue to smoke until they become completely addicted. It consumes them and it becomes their meaning in life to find drugs for the day so they feel ok witht he world and that they can survive with their drugs. It is a sorry state of mind, people die because of drugs. That's why they're illegal. Things that harm people are illegal, like stabbing people, just as these drugs are. If they didn't harm people, of course they'd be legal, a lot of money would be bought in for it. That's why cigarettes are still legal.

Please give me a reason why smoking drugs is going to benefit you in the long run, isn't going to cause unpredicatble and violent behavior, and wil lead to a much better life. Quite frankly, I think people who are arguiing for the drugs have some sort of mild or strong addiction for them and are trying to justify it through incomplete logic. Someone show me an example of someone who abused many illegal drugs and it didn't harm him/her in any way and didn't cause any problems or prevent a better social or economic staus.

This may be waaay off, but I'm going to assume, ZPD, that you did not read my post.

"If you had been hitting your leg witha hammer until you fractured the bones in it, you wouldn't think that was good would you. Why whould the equivelant effect on the brain be any different."


Hitting your leg with a hammer? That's like making an anology between someone scratching at a wound, and someone commiting suicide. Your anology is crap. And yet again, your making claims of which you have no clue. Fracturing your leg would render it potentially useless for the rest of your live. Smoking weed only temporary inhibits your minds ability slightly




"People smoke drugs. people get high. people crash cars, or they continue to smoke until they become completely addicted. It consumes them and it becomes their meaning in life to find drugs for the day so they feel ok witht he world and that they can survive with their drugs. It is a sorry state of mind, people die because of drugs. That's why they're illegal. Things that harm people are illegal, like stabbing people, just as these drugs are. If they didn't harm people, of course they'd be legal, a lot of money would be bought in for it. That's why cigarettes are still legal."


Once again, completely ridiculous assumptions! I USED TO DO DRUGS. I SMOKED WEED, I SNORTED COCAINE. I TOOK PRESCRIPTION PAIN KILLERS. I DROPPED ACID. But look at me. Look at my arguments. Obviously, because you see anything on this site from me, period, I didnt no, t 'crash cars", and I am not addicted to any drug whatsoever. Drugs have not become my meaning in life, I dont take them every day "just so I can feel okay with the world" And I am not a freak of nature, either. This is actually a pretty common thing.

" If they didn't harm people, of course they'd be legal, a lot of money would be bought in for it. That's why cigarettes are still legal.""

...did you just say cigarettes DONT harm people?! Yes, you definitely did not read any of my post. 4.9 MILLION people die a year from tobacco use, and I really don't believe thats entirely from chewers.




"i belive that drugs r running countries into the ground (nt medicines) and r destroying pplz lives. drugs such as heroin, cocain, mariwana and crack r sick. if ppl r so stupid 2 take drugs, then they deserve 2 die. i am a follower of charles darwin. his theory that evolution is nothing more than deleting bad genes is completely true. drug takers must have similar genes that compel them to take drugs and steal for money. i think that sooner or later, drug taker genes will die out and drugs will cease to b(which is gr8) until then..."

Drugs are running countries into the ground, ruining people's lives; hey, I can agree with you on that one, in a selec few cases. People who cant handle their lives, choose drugs as a source to solve their problems, and that becomes a problem in itself. But this does NOT apply to everyone! In most cases, it does not apply at all! I have known countless people (most of them high-schoolers and a couple family members) that have used drugs or still do, and they lead perfectly normal lives, with the exception of one of my uncles. After his child died, he started using crack, and was soon addicted. He went into rehab, and is currently struggling to get through. But this is one case, out of at least 40 people that I know.

Now, this next line.... "drugs such as heroin, (cocaine), (Marijuana), and crack (are) sick. Define sick??? You almost sound like you are just rambling along without any clue what you are even saying, other than "drugs=bad! drugs=bad! bad=drugs=bad!! rawr!" And the next line...wow. You just said I deserved to die. Well, in your eyes, you just said I deserved to die. Because I did not take drugs because I was "so stupid to", I took them for the sheer experience of it. You have no right to judge me or anyone else, especially concerning matters of which you have NO knowledge.

But hey, you're entitled to your opinin. Just too bad its such a naive one.







This is really bugging me; you keep posting your opinion, while noy reading anything anyone else has said. Being so closed-minded to the point where you actually IGNORE the other side of the argument...well, kinds defeats the point of a debate doesn't it? If you just sit there and chant the same thing over and over? That's not a debate, thats a rally.

ADDITION:
"Please give me a reason why smoking drugs is going to benefit you in the long run, isn't going to cause unpredicatble and violent behavior, and wil lead to a much better life. Quite frankly, I think people who are arguiing for the drugs have some sort of mild or strong addiction for them and are trying to justify it through incomplete logic. Someone show me an example of someone who abused many illegal drugs and it didn't harm him/her in any way and didn't cause any problems or prevent a better social or economic staus."


Drugs have no benefit other than the recreational value. Tell me the benefits your going to get in the long run from playing ccomputer games. Or watching movies. You don't...you do it for entertainment. (However, many people can further realize their true selves from LSD. You'll find people who have used LSD generally are more fascinated by the more common things in life, like a beautiful sunset, or a particularly delicious food. Also, some religiously-based people often claim to find spiritual enlightenment through LSD)

"Someone show me an example of someone who abused many illegal drugs and it didn't harm him/her in any way and didn't cause any problems or prevent a better social or economic staus."

Hehe. Me.

Marijuana/Salvia, LSD, Shrooms, LSA (which actually isnt really illegal though...acquired through morning glory's) cocaine, alcohol, nicotine, and a whole range of prescription meds (I can give you a list there too.)

I mean, I'm obviously not an idiot; lol, I would definitely consider myself moderately intelligent. And if you would like to be more intelligent, open your mind a little and read my posts. Drugs arent as evil as government propoganda has made them out to be...not saying their for everyone, or that their beneficial beyond recreational value, but they dont automatically lead to suffering through life as a dumbass bum, and then dying a painful death from a horrible addiction.

ADDITION:


Visine.

Heh.

Dang, you guys can really type lonoooonnnngggg messages.... I wish I could do that

I'm just one of those taciturn people

I just like to be thorough.


Also, I just now realize the irony of me self-proclaiming my intelligence...
with that particular picture as my avatar.

(Yup, it's home-made)

The fact is marijuana is actually medicinal more over than nicotine and alcohol. Also nicotine alcoohol and caffein has been proven to be more addictive than marijuana.

Marijuana was being tested for its medicinal purposes that was approved by the FDA (before the government stopped it) that was proven to help with loss of appetite and nausea from AIDs and possibly aneroxia (not quite sure about that one though). Before the government pulled the plug they had some evidence that could help adjust the spinal cord for people with sclerosis and may help with epilepsy along with other diseases but we dont really know bacause the government pulled the program. In fact many people supstitute with marijuana over painkillers and some other perscription drugs. Marijuana has been used to help cancer patients and possible and help reduce (if not stop) the wasting syndrome in AIDs patients.

Secondly i think that the war on drugs is a waste of time most cops that aren't on any power trips just give up really on marijuana and its really stupid that in some (if not all states) you go to jail for embezzling company funds or destroying a company to gain profit in the stock market ruining peoples lives for only a few months while using drugs and having possesion of drugs can actually give you years in prison.

Thirdly you can't really trust the government on marijuana reports, though a lot of them are true some of them REALLY make marijuana worse than nicotine when it is not; the problem with some of these reports is that some of them are based on the marijuana leaf which is not what people smoke at all they smoke the bud of the plant which has less of the toxins that are reported in the leaf. Oh and shrooms? Well they dont really have any bad results in using them they have SOME (like flashbacks and such) but thats really all that there is.

In fact the government has been keeping secret of cure for some disease (like herpes) though there are A LOT MORE i only remember herpes bacause of those commercials on T.V. Also with acid reflux disease, its not a disease at all! Food companies put some chemicals in their food to actually make you addicted to the food so you buy more food. Also you need to do extensive research for your drugs to prove it is SAFE and does what it is suppose to do. Sure drugs do what there suppose to do but a lot of them arent safe (like with metabolife) and all those other drugs that have been recalled.

Well, you make it sound as though someone can go through an entire pack of cigs in just a few minutes. Even the heaviest of smokers take a few hours to go through a pack. Let's pretend that someone smoked an entire pack in an hour(which is extreme), that's still enough time for some of the nicotine to wear off. Plus, if someone is a heavy enough smoker they build up a tolerance for the nicotine.

Perhaps you can notice a change in a smoker's behavior, I'll give you that. But these are what happens: Increase heart rate, so basically they can be a little "jumpy". Some may expierence more sugar in their blood, but not a massive amount. Lastly, people who smoke can tend to eat less. Of course, there are the long term of effects which is basically lung cancer, and I don't deny at all that is a terrible thing.

Compared to pot:
Difficulty in concentrating.
Delayed reaction time.
You become mellowed out.
Sometimes, while high, you can become very paranoid, and instead of mellowing out have panic attacks.
If you take a massive dose, you may hallucinate.

Although, on the positive side, I know it can have some good medical effects. The two I know of are to help when going through chemotherapy(sp?) and it can help your eyesite(don't know much about that though).

(You might notice this post a little less organized that my previous posts...I got a couple teeth pulled today, and thus am in a moderate amount of pain...the painkillers don't work for shit.)







"Even the heaviest of smokers take a few hours to go through a pack."
I've gone through an entire pack in less than half an hour (chain smoking), and I don't even smoke tobacco. Hell, I've only smoked weed ~10 times in my life. Point is, I'm a very light (read: non) smoker, and I did it. Truth or Dare can suck sometimes. And let me tell you, after I did, I was not just a little jumpy. I was naseuas, dizzy, light-headed, and had the intense urge to sit by the toilet for a couple hours til my mind stopped vomiting. I couldn't breathe normally for a couple days. People definitely noticed a large difference in my overall behavior.

Also, the onset for nicotine is less than five minutes. THe duration, however, is 6-14 hours. I doubt it's going to fade too quickly. (of course, this all depends on the persons natural tolerance for nicotine)

Now, normally, noone would smoke that much, unless theyre trying to go beyond the regular dosage of nicotine. But the same thing applies to marijuana...I'm not sure how it applies to the rest of the world, but usually we "potheads" don't smoke until we're passed out. We smoke enough to get buzzing, and stop to enjoy it.



And once again, I make a point: I am not trying to say drugs are good. I am not saying they're not bad in some instances (for they are), I am simply saying America (and everyone in it) needs to stop trying to lay blame to something that has NOTHING to do with the problems. Can't think of the name, but a TN senator made a speech, and indirectly stated that the terrorist attacks were originally caused by the large usage of illegal controlled substances in the U.S. ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT!
And the government spits it out at us every day, through anti-drug advocacy advertisements. (if that wasnt an alliteration, I don't know what was.) They portray all drug-users in situations that we would consider horrible or deplorable, such as the group of guys in the car running over the little girl on her bike, or the teenage girl vomiting/passing out at a party. Or a favorite of mine, the little boy talking about how his brother tried weed "just once, and was hooked instantly," and bgean living in his parents basement doing nothing but smoking weed 24/7. Now, if they would advertise against drugs while using ONLY truth; no lies, no twisted facts, no subliminal messages, no propganda...I would have no problem with it. But the government figure that wouldn't be good enough, because not enough kids would be scared away from it, because if they WERE to tell the truth, then weed would be a LOT less intimidating.

ADDITION:
And I'm still waiting for that one kid to respond who said I deserved to die, because
"I am so stupid."

Just a random question, do you think that since you've done marijuana before it has effected how pain killers react your body, moonmonkey?

No.

It has been several years since I've smoked weed, and thus, no traces of THC are left in my system, with the exception of perhaps, my hair follicles.



**One reason they may not be working as effectively as they should:
I've used them before.
(fractured right ankle, broken right arm, strained wrist, sprained right ankle, and now...toothache)

Buying drugs does support terrorism, but only because it is illegal. Whenever something is banned or has its price fixed above the free-market value, a black-market is created. In this case, Islamic terrorists control it.

You must not know very much about Marijuana. "Pot-Heads" build up tolerance to THC, too. That is why some people have to smoke five "bowls" of "Schwag" to even get buzzed.

Now people who don't smoke often, and have some good "Kind Bud" will be instantly stoned (different from "High" and/or "buzzing") because the THC level is so high. The only chemicals that are bad for you in Marijuana, are the chemicals that are created from the smoke.

If you used a "Vaporizer" you would be taking Marijuana, the safest way possible, because there is no smoke, only THC.



The government always lies about things they now aren't bad, and visa versa. Just look at what's going on now.



From doing it only ten times as he states there is no way. Maybe if you did it for years then there is a possibility. I have done it for four years, and pain killers still effect me the same.

Still, there are universal effects, things that happen to everyone who smokes marijuana.

One effect that seems to hit everyone equally is a distorted sense of time perception.

Things that ordinarily seem to pass by in a couple of minutes may seem to take hours.

That may be one of the reasons why pot smokers sometimes find it hard to concentrate.

Memory is also affected, which means that doing even simple things, like following instructions (or the plot of a "Gilligan's Island" rerun on good old THC-TV), can start to seem awfully complicated.

And if remembering simple things gets complicated, just imagine how hard it gets remembering seriously complex stuff — like the answers to the exam or quiz you thought you studied for the night before.

No big deal, though, of course — not to the serious stoner, caught up in the throws of true, pot-assisted pretzel logic.

Because, hey — you know, even if you fail all your exams this year, you can still take them all over again next year.

True? True?

Hey, you gonna eat those chips?"



A friend of mine, Joey Meeks. Smoked weed (not just regular weed though...hydroponically grown dreugh) every single day of his life from the beginning of 7th grade.

Graduated with a 4.9 GPA.

True? True? Yes, it is.

What makes you think that Islamic Terrorists are in our country selling drugs? That's what it basicly sounded like to me.

And have you ever bought drugs? They don't go to the black market, they go to your dealer, and only him. He buys from his dealer, and so on and so forth.

Somewhere along the line, someone may even grow it that isn't a terrorist. So where ever you get your info, I would quit believeing them.

Wait...Islamic terrorists control the weed trade?

I thought a friend of mine with his own hydroponic lab in the woods did.

Odd.


Just kidding, lol. I know what you are saying. But I doubt marijuana/shrooms/lsd are high in the black market. Cocaine, heroine, etc would most likely be a lot more profitable. But I was under the impression that the black market was more under the influence of asian militants and extremists?
(Including Russia)

Lol. I passed all my tests whenever I was high as a kite. I even learned how to program C++ while I was stoned. I haven't programmed heavily for about five months, and I can still program perfect.

The only people Marijuana effects negativly, are the ones that let it. If you're a "Dumb Stoner" or a "Skeevy Stoner" then yeah, you're going to be a worthless POS the rest of your life.

hehe. I personally have sold about 20 or so light-bulb vaporizers at school.
Things are damn effecient. But you're a little incorrect, you ARE getting some contaminants, but not nearly the amount you get from smoking it through a water bong (which is widely considered one of the safest ways to smoke weed.)

Well true, but you don't get the smoke chemicals which are the most harmfull to the human body (Carbon Monoxide? Or was it Dioxide that is in smoke? I get those two mixed up >.<)

I don't think very many drugs are run through the black market. It is usually illegal weapons and pyrokinetics that are sold on the black market.

"We have receptors for delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC- the marijuana component responsible for getting "high") in parts of our brains responsible for memory, mood, motor activity, and concentration. Because we don't have receptors in the parts of our brains that control basic life functions such as consciousness and respiration, it can't kill us.
Of late, pharmaceutical versions of THC have appeared. Dronabinol (brand name Marinol), a synthetic version of THC, is prescribed to AIDS and cancer patients with severe nausea.
"Marinol is only one component of cannabis," says Umberto Iorfida, president of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws in Canada (NORML). " Pot does not consist of THC exclusively; it has more than 400 ingredients." Thus patients taking THC pills can feel even more stoned than smoking regular marijuana, making them not want to take any more pills."


Theres that info for whoever mentioned THC for cancer and AIDS patients.
Cept they dont smoke, they get pills.
Weed....in pills. Good god I hope that never gets out in public...freaking mass mania.

Well, it's common knowledge that Islamic terrorists profit from drug traffic, but I guess it's time to own another liberal with a link from CNN.

Like I said before...certain drugs, not all.

And like you said, only because people are forced to buy them illegaly, because it is impossible to buy them legally.
Back again to prohibition.