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I agree with the United part, but it will not ever happen.

true, unless every single american (Excluding politions) decided to get rid of EVERYBODY in the government, and we did a total overhaul of the government after that.

Only in our wildest dreams, will that happen.

I think that sums it up quite well what I think of the American government.

Lol, reminds me of the shirt my mother gave me of a smiley face with a bullet hole in the forehead.

mmmmm this really sickens me, I think most of you hear about how much the American government sucks and have sort of 'jumped on the band wagon' or what ever that saying is. The American government doesn't suck, its the most revolutionary government in the entire world. You guys just hate George Bush, he won the elections (again) so stfu please.

It's the most revolutionary, yet it is falling?

Hmm... Democratic Republics, and Republics can never last forever. The only form of Government that can is a TRUE Democracy.

And the government is really, starting to suck.

An 11 year old gets charged with Felony Assult, because she protected herself?

You say something against the president, and you get thrown in jail because you're a suspected terrorist?

You have to pay $2.38 a gallon for Oil because we're to lazy to drill in Alaska?

Hmm... Yeah... That sounds like our government is doing juuuuuuuuuuust peachy....

No offence but you Elephants are all the same. Only care about yourselves....

Nerf the ing GOP. Basically, the reason our governemnt is failing is because we elected too many religious republicans at the same time.

I agree with Kellimus though, we should do what the Greeks did. Except for the... abstaining... to death...

Our government isn't falling, the economy is.... but Im sorry I just watched CNN the other day and they said the Military reached it's recruiting goals again this month due to improving economy.....

Rome was a democracy at one time and it fell too

The government isn't starting to suck, its ending, for you guys only have a couple more years until you can make it right agian in your opinions in the next election!

Please tell me more about this self-defense reversed into assualt charge. Could you link me to the page you read it on? Or should I just take your word for it that it is true???

You guys say crap about the President ALL the time and your aren't in jail......
Many liberals at my school and their parents say threats and crap about the president and aren't in jail. For the most part that statement is false.

If we drilled in Alaska, for which I hope we do, naturalists (nature people or what ever) will at the President and continue to say how bad he is for doing that....

Peachy!!!! Well, at least we haven't been attacked on American soil yet since 9/11 from terrorists. And beleive me, they have tried since 9/11....

We care about ourselves.....But isn't it the right wing people who say we should leave ALL countries to themselfs and worry about OUR own problems???

I think we Elephants care about Iraqi and Aphganis too, plus we NEVER forget (9/11)

Yeah, and you're in the national defense (or whatever that section of the military is called)?

Yeah, Bush started a war in Iraq using the idea that Osama was there, then said they had dirty bombs, then said Saddam was evil. Later in a press conference, Bush said he had no intentions of catching Osama, a few weeks later he was preaching about how Osama was pure evil. Then he wanted to continue :censored:ing up our economy and military by staying in Iraq. Doesn't Bush's moronic administration realize that we will run out of oil in 11 years? Give or take 1 or 2, or course. Why jack up the prices now?


Also, Chris, you NEED to forget about 9/11. It's old hatreds like this that lead to biased opinions and the raising of a racist nation. Ugh, oh well. Republicans never learn.

Rome was a Republic, never a Democracy.

I can vote. But I doubt I will because our country is stupid and will elect another dumb official, even when I vote against him.

http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=18717 The Yahoo News page is done, but if you listen to our arguments, you should get the just of it.

Bleh. I'm tired. Whatever

Well self defence is stated as equal or lesser force, no matter what the case, throwing rocks would be a greater force if the person needed stitchs.

If Im in a fist fight, and I decide to take out a baseball bat and hit the person repeatidly, thats not self defence........These laws were made way before Bush.

And I will NEVER FORGET 9/11. NEVER. You should be ashamed of yourself to want to forget it. sickens me.

We invaded Iraq becuase they did have connections with osoma's terroist group, but had no connections with 9/11. THATS WHAT YOU NEED TO GET INTO YOUR BRAINS! and that he had weapons of mass destruction for which have not been found yet.

I'm positive Bush's goal was so up the economy as much as he could -.-

and if you two hate America so much for mmmm what was it that we did???? oh ya invaded Iraq...mmm if you hate us just for that then you can get out. Seriously if you hate America THAT much then why are you staying here?

Oh ya, ROME WAS A DEMOCRACY!!!!!!! I forget which came first but it was a democracy AND a republic and an imperial state, it was all of these at some point in time.

Democracy is where the people vote. In Rome, only Senators voted, no people at all.

So therefor, it was never a Democracy.

I never said that it was his goal to do that, that was not his goal at all. But his goal, :censored:ED up the economy hardcore.

I never said I forgot 9/11. In fact, I care much about it because we could have prevented it. But nooooooo. Go ahead and call me crazy, but I think we let it happen so it could "Boost" our economy.

You try to tell us to get it in our brains that we went in there because they had connections, then you quickly change your story around to fit the WMD? That we haven't even found? Please try to keep your story straight before you try to ADD elements to the "Real" reason we went in there. Thank you



Umm... Where did you pull that out of? Your ass?

Never once did I say I hate America. I hate it's politics because they are outragiously retarded, and I hate the dumb :poo:s that are running it. I'm not saying I could do any better, but THEY, could do it better.

And no. I'm not leaving. Well, not yet that is. I love this coutry to death, but I :censored:ing hate the idiots that run it, and the idiots that follow the idiots (Yes, i'm talking about you. Report me for flamming, I don't care. I will just ask you, Does the truth hurt?)

Sure, Bush Jr. has some good plans, but they all backfired (Hmm, wonder why? Was it because he was to drugged out on coke back in the day?) Like the, No child left behind. More like, let's make kids who just can't grasp a certain concept, to fail high school! Oh, and it pisses me off how he called Alternative Schools, "Retard" schools. Alternative Schools are 20000x better then a regular school because they actually have the time to explain :poo: to you. I learned more in an Alternative School, then I did at a public high school.

And yes. Let's cut the taxes for the rich! Let's make the poor and middle class have to pay higher taxes! And let's make our states taxes go up as well because of the cut! How genious!

Seriously. Bush, is not very bright. He had a C average for god sakes! And we elect a president that had many DUIs? Hmmm.....

To me that shows the ignorance of our country. If you have money, and you have power, you can become president even with a felony record (That is an example)

So please. Before you try to diss on me and tell me to get the out of this country. Maybe you should take into consideration that I hate the politics and not the counrty. And maybe you should take into consideration that I actually know some of what i'm talking about.

Thank you

If they havent been found yet and several U.S and U.N teams have reported they aren't there, how do we know Iraq had WMD?

Any connection with bin Laden has been refuted, there are records of communication, but in all cases Saddam turned bin Laden away.

Rome's decline and fall can be traced to when it abandoned the republic system and was put under the rule of some very incompetent emporers.

I think the system of government is good, but faltering. The econemy sucks, stupid laws are becoming rampant. (I remember something about daylight savings time in 2007 being passed. WHO CARES HOW MUCH SUNLIGHT THERE IS?)
It's almost to the core, I don't see the government seeing what I want done. Or doing that. I see more fights, bickering, and likewise.
The rebuplican and democratic (and all other political parties) should be disbanded. george washington was against the parties, so so am I. It just leads to trouble. Senators should vote what's best for their state, district, w/e. That includes congress people too.
people in house/senate shouldn't be allowed to raise pay, it should be fixed.

Have you guys ever wondered that the 9/11 might be something set up by the United States itself rather than a Terrorist attack? Did you ever wonder, how did these supposedly fragile planes make a steel building collapse so easily and instantly? And collapsing straight down without tilting whatsoever? Did you also ever ask yourself the question if it seemed the tower had collapsed due to controlled demolition? There are many anomalies about 9/11. Surely enough, if you search about this, you will find alot of information. I won't say more for now, I want to see your responses first.

[quote=Kellimus,Aug 13 2005, 11:45 AM]
Democracy is where the people vote. In Rome, only Senators voted, no people at all.

So therefor, it was never a Democracy.

I never said that it was his goal to do that, that was not his goal at all. But his goal, :censored:ED up the economy hardcore.

I never said I forgot 9/11. In fact, I care much about it because we could have prevented it. But nooooooo. Go ahead and call me crazy, but I think we let it happen so it could "Boost" our economy.

You try to tell us to get it in our brains that we went in there because they had connections, then you quickly change your story around to fit the WMD? That we haven't even found? Please try to keep your story straight before you try to ADD elements to the "Real" reason we went in there. Thank you

[quote=S.T.A.R.S-Chris]and if you two hate America so much for mmmm what was it that we did???? oh ya invaded Iraq...mmm if you hate us just for that then you can get out. Seriously if you hate America THAT much then why are you staying here?[/quote]

Umm... Where did you pull that out of? Your ass?

Never once did I say I hate America. I hate it's politics because they are outragiously retarded, and I hate the dumb :poo:s that are running it. I'm not saying I could do any better, but THEY, could do it better.

And no. I'm not leaving. Well, not yet that is. I love this coutry to death, but I :censored:ing hate the idiots that run it, and the idiots that follow the idiots (Yes, i'm talking about you. Report me for flamming, I don't care. I will just ask you, Does the truth hurt?)

Sure, Bush Jr. has some good plans, but they all backfired (Hmm, wonder why? Was it because he was to drugged out on coke back in the day?) Like the, No child left behind. More like, let's make kids who just can't grasp a certain concept, to fail high school! Oh, and it pisses me off how he called Alternative Schools, "Retard" schools. Alternative Schools are 20000x better then a regular school because they actually have the time to explain :poo: to you. I learned more in an Alternative School, then I did at a public high school.

And yes. Let's cut the taxes for the rich! Let's make the poor and middle class have to pay higher taxes! And let's make our states taxes go up as well because of the cut! How genious!

Seriously. Bush, is not very bright. He had a C average for god sakes! And we elect a president that had many DUIs? Hmmm.....

To me that shows the ignorance of our country. If you have money, and you have power, you can become president even with a felony record (That is an example)

So please. Before you try to diss on me and tell me to get the out of this country. Maybe you should take into consideration that I hate the politics and not the counrty. And maybe you should take into consideration that I actually know some of what i'm talking about.

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NO WAR now a days is only becuase of ONE reason. We went in for WMDs and for possible connections with Bin Ladon and to free the people of Iraq from a brutal dictator. VERY narrow minded.....

Bush's goal: How did that have any connection to you?

Well I obviously I would think you don't like America becuase you can't seem to stop :censored:ing about it. Even though you never stated you hated it.

ROME WAS NOT A REPUBLIC FOR THE THOUSANDS OF YEARS IT WAS IN POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rome went though MANY changes over it's rule. One change WAS A DEMOCRACY. I AM NOT SAYING it wasn't a republic.

I am an idiot for supporting America? WOW you are EXTREMELY narrow minded.

You are also extremely stupid to think Bush is the worst President in the world just because when he was in college he had alot of fun.......A LOT of people go through that stage, its called experimentation.....

Tax Cuts: O M F G, RICH PEOPLE PAY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAXES AS EVERYONE ELSE. EVEN MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I work hard to get rich, why should I have to pay more becuase other people are lazy as s h i t and or decide to drop out of school? RICH PEOPLE DO NOT PAY LESS TAXES THEN EVERY ONE ELSE!!!! I know this becuase Im surrounded by them -.-

And I know a :poo: load of what Im talking about too...... you just proved mmmmm nothing????

quote=Dr.Shotgun,Aug 13 2005, 01:02 PM]
If they havent been found yet and several U.S and U.N teams have reported they aren't there, how do we know Iraq had WMD?

Any connection with bin Laden has been refuted, there are records of communication, but in all cases Saddam turned bin Laden away.

Rome's decline and fall can be traced to when it abandoned the republic system and was put under the rule of some very incompetent emporers.[right][snapback]287239[/snapback][/right][/quote]

Cause the UN sucks, it's team weren't allowed to many places in Iraq. Plus, the UN sucks. Oil for food any one???

Also, Saddam did have connections with Bin Ladon's group, I forget the exact date, but many high ranking members went to Iraq and talked with Saddam, used his facilities and houses, and hospitals. Saddam personnaly cared for those members.

[quote=Aikanaro,Aug 13 2005, 06:04 PM]
Have you guys ever wondered that the 9/11 might be something set up by the United States itself rather than a Terrorist attack? Did you ever wonder, how did these supposedly fragile planes make a steel building collapse so easily and instantly? And collapsing straight down without tilting whatsoever? Did you also ever ask yourself the question if it seemed the tower had collapsed due to controlled demolition? There are many anomalies about 9/11. Surely enough, if you search about this, you will find alot of information. I won't say more for now, I want to see your responses first.
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Finally. Someone who agrees with me that it was setup!

I agree with you a lot on that.

Because. Aren't airplanes made out of aluminum? Therefor, they are pathetically weak, and had to have something do something to the buildings to make it fall perfectly straight down.

More discussion later.

[quote=Kellimus, Aug 13 2005, 10:37 PM]
Umm... Where did you pull that out of? Your ass?

Never once did I say I hate America. I hate it's politics because they are outragiously retarded, and I hate the dumb :poo:s that are running it. I'm not saying I could do any better, but THEY, could do it better.

And no. I'm not leaving. Well, not yet that is. I love this coutry to death, but I :censored:ing hate the idiots that run it, and the idiots that follow the idiots (Yes, i'm talking about you. Report me for flamming, I don't care. I will just ask you, Does the truth hurt?)

Sure, Bush Jr. has some good plans, but they all backfired (Hmm, wonder why? Was it because he was to drugged out on coke back in the day?) Like the, No child left behind. More like, let's make kids who just can't grasp a certain concept, to fail high school! Oh, and it pisses me off how he called Alternative Schools, "Retard" schools. Alternative Schools are 20000x better then a regular school because they actually have the time to explain :poo: to you. I learned more in an Alternative School, then I did at a public high school.

And yes. Let's cut the taxes for the rich! Let's make the poor and middle class have to pay higher taxes! And let's make our states taxes go up as well because of the cut! How genious!

Seriously. Bush, is not very bright. He had a C average for god sakes! And we elect a president that had many DUIs? Hmmm.....

To me that shows the ignorance of our country. If you have money, and you have power, you can become president even with a felony record (That is an example)

So please. Before you try to diss on me and tell me to get the out of this country. Maybe you should take into consideration that I hate the politics and not the counrty. And maybe you should take into consideration that I actually know some of what i'm talking about.

Thank you [/quote]
[quote=S.T.A.R.S-Chris]
NO WAR now a days is only becuase of ONE reason. We went in for WMDs and for possible connections with Bin Ladon and to free the people of Iraq from a brutal dictator. VERY narrow minded.....

Bush's goal: How did that have any connection to you?

Well I obviously I would think you don't like America becuase you can't seem to stop :censored:ing about it. Even though you never stated you hated it.

ROME WAS NOT A REPUBLIC FOR THE THOUSANDS OF YEARS IT WAS IN POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rome went though MANY changes over it's rule. One change WAS A DEMOCRACY. I AM NOT SAYING it wasn't a republic.

I am an idiot for supporting America? WOW you are EXTREMELY narrow minded.

You are also extremely stupid to think Bush is the worst President in the world just because when he was in college he had alot of fun.......A LOT of people go through that stage, its called experimentation.....

Tax Cuts: O M F G, RICH PEOPLE PAY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAXES AS EVERYONE ELSE. EVEN MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I work hard to get rich, why should I have to pay more becuase other people are lazy as s h i t and or decide to drop out of school? RICH PEOPLE DO NOT PAY LESS TAXES THEN EVERY ONE ELSE!!!! I know this becuase Im surrounded by them -.-

And I know a :poo: load of what Im talking about too...... you just proved mmmmm nothing????[/quote]

Rofl. You're a funny fellow S.T.A.R.S. Rome was in power for "Thousands" of years hmm? Lmao.

And do you think i'm stupid? I know we went in there to take Sadam out. But ignorant people such as yourself, have to be lied to. Thus the excuse of WMD in Iraq. Without saying that, the Senate and House would never have allowed us to go in there.

When did I call you an idiot for suporting America? Yet again, you try to take what I say and twist and manipulate it to try to make it support your argument.

Lmao. I find it soooo funny how you bend and twist my words all through your post, and completely ignore my main points. Rofl.

Again. Never did I say Bush was the worst president. Nixon was. But in your ignorance, you seem to twist and manipulate my words around to support something I didn't even say. I said he wasn't very bright, not the worst president. And yes. Someone with a C average in my eyes, shouldn't be allowed to run the country. Especially when they have a record of DUIs.

Rich people just work hard hmm...? Did you not pay attention to the other thread that had this discussion in it? Aperently not. Not all rich people become rich by hard work. Most of them get it by inheriting it. So are you calling me lazy and worthless because i'm of the middle class? You're surrounded by rich people eh? No wonder you don't care about we lower class people, you're surrounded by idiots. And maybe you're one yourself. Nice dodging the filter, by the way

And there you go again. Takeing what I say, and manipulating it to an argument that you see is a good one. Never once did I say they pay less then the lower class. I said that they pay less now, so the lower class have to make up for it. But they still pay a lot more then the lower class. Where do you come up with these arguments?

Answer this. Is it "hard" to go act for someone? No. I can act just as well as most actors out there. But you don't see me doing it. Well, at least not until me and my friend get our movie written and we direct, produce, and act in it Is it hard to go get a record deal now days? No. Get a drum machine, make some gay ass beat, and make up stupid ass ryhms. There you go. You are now officially, a Raper! Whiiiiipty do.

Let's do some Retroizing, okay? Back in the 60's or 70's. Was it hard to get a record deal? Yes. Terribly so. You had do know how to sing, how to play guitar, how to play the bass, so on and so forth. That is why I like Classic Rock more then now day rock because it is way more complex, and has more skill then most the :poo: that comes out now.

So what I am trying to say is this. Don't just assume that most the middle and lower class are "lazy worthless pieces of s h i t" (As you dodge the filter) because most of us are harder working then rich people. If it wasn't for us, this country wouldn't be here.

So yes. Come. Twist my arguments and use them to your advantage, I don't care. Just have fun doing so

Roflmfao.


[quote=Dr.Shotgun,Aug 13 2005, 01:02 PM]
If they havent been found yet and several U.S and U.N teams have reported they aren't there, how do we know Iraq had WMD?

Any connection with bin Laden has been refuted, there are records of communication, but in all cases Saddam turned bin Laden away.

Rome's decline and fall can be traced to when it abandoned the republic system and was put under the rule of some very incompetent emporers.[right][snapback]287239[/snapback][/right][/quote]

[qoute=S.T.A.R.S-Chris]Cause the UN sucks, it's team weren't allowed to many places in Iraq. Plus, the UN sucks. Oil for food any one???

Also, Saddam did have connections with Bin Ladon's group, I forget the exact date, but many high ranking members went to Iraq and talked with Saddam, used his facilities and houses, and hospitals. Saddam personnaly cared for those members.
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Hmm.... Seems to me you completely dodged his main points. You were only worried about the UN, and didn't care what he had to say about the USA going in there and looking around....

Here is a normal arrogent person for you.

Okay, enoughs enough.

To show my support for Yoshi:


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crud i can't close this....

Eh? Why not? And why don't all the tags work? They all seem to be acting strangely...




EDIT: Ok never mind... but they didn't seem to be working (judging from above)

when I click on topid option,s close topic isn;t one of them.