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I was merely suggesting that there are schools of thought that combine creationism and evolutionism.

I have trouble believing in evolution cause of the missing link. Tell me when you find it

Personaly, I'm not tolerant of gays. i respect them, but I'm against the whole idea.
A man's was made, or evolved to impreginate a girl. No other way around it.

I agree, but only if you also taught about the Flying Spaghetti Monster with those two.

I am not joking. If all three are taught, I'm happy; but I wouldn't be suprised of a million other "theories" came wanting to be taught and threatening legal actions if not.

Lmao...





Oh and S.T.A.R.S, I'll listen... if you can provide evidence or facts that tell me why I shouldn't believe in evolution. Like many people have said, I can see plently of evidence of the existance of evolution.

Nice.

Nice.

Wow topic necromancery!

Anyway, yeah, evolution is a theory, but its very well backed. If you want to steach all viewpoints you must necessarily teach all religions, alchemy, witchraft, etc. in science courses. The point is, ID is pseudosceince, it is very thinly disguised Genesisism.

And its not blind faith, if you knew anything christianity trys to teach you on how to be a better person, not blindly follow the god, I mean if he told me to jump off a very tall bridge into a rocky canyon bellow I wouldn't. THATS where I beleive you don't fully understand this.

And Evolution is NOT law. Imglad I had a great Biology teacher last year becuase he explained ALL view points on evolution and told us time and time again that evolution is still a theory. Yes he also told us that really all scientific fact is just theories, but Evolution is still unknown. I don't see why you can't say to your science class:

"OK class, today we shall talk about evolution, now please turn to page ###, there are many theories about evolution, bla bla bla Darwin bla bla bla bla Intelligent design bla bla bla"

Why are you guys so, mmmmm whats the word? mmmmm forceful not to have intelligent design discussed in school? Its not like you are teaching them about god or actually its not telling the students to be anything. Its telling the students that some people believe evolution THIS way while others believe it THAT way.

I think this all boils down to you don't like catholism.

I told you, I'm happy with that. As long as you also include this:

"blah blah.. Darwin.. Evolution .. blah blah. .. Intillegent Design.. .blah blah.. The Flying Spaghetti Monster .. blah blah..."

I know you are, but others seem determined to keep it out.

So then, you agree we should teach about the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

And american indian creation myths, and all the genesis fables of the world?

Evolution is not unknown, it is one of the best verefied and proven theories in science.

Creationism vs Evolution?
I believe both existed and kind of worked together.

In Genisis, The first thing it talked about was the creation of the world. It said that it occured in seven days. However, these "days" weren't our human Earth days, they were days according to God's time and as the Bible tells us later on, God's definition of day is like a time span of some million years or something. Only on the last (or 6th day) did he finally add humans to the mix. And so those other "days" that took place long before the arrival of humans was probably Earth when it was infested with nothing but little cells and stuff. As Genisis also states, the animals were created on Earth like a "day" or two before the day humans were made, and those animals I believed would be the dinosaurs. Also when God made Adam and Eve, it just said they were humans. No description of what they looked like was given so we really don't know what they looked like back then. They could've been very short midgets. And as time passed by (and this was a looooooong time), the humans and animals back then eventually shaped up and look just like present day humans animals.

Just my thought.

The reality is that religon is taught in history class, and evolution is taught in science class. I was in honors bio, so I was lucky enough that we got to debate the different takes on evolutionism vs. creationism- we got a sheet of paper with little splurges on each one.

On another note, dare I say that some people follow evolutionism and science as if it was a religon?

Sure, you can say that.

But it's not. Evolution has undergone the scientific method (which you should have learned in both your history and science class) while religion has not.

For more information on what the "scientific method" is (trust me, most of you don't know what it is), search it on google or wikipedia.

Approxametly When did they first seperate church and the school or w/e? Because i remember only just some decades ago religion was allowed to be taught at public schools.

umm......have you not been in school for the last 10 years? the banned that shiot along time ago.

His argument is pretty good. However, realize that Intelligent Design is limited to many, but not all, religions. America, by definition, should not teach Intelligent Design as it doesn't necessarily go along with everyone's religion. But then again, we're not supposed to have "under God" in the pledge to the flag either. The Theory of Evolution is indeed a theory, but it's a well-proven one, just like gravity.

Intelligent Design should be allowed to be taught in schools if there is just as much scientific evidence for it as Evolution. However, most of the "scientific" evidence I've seen is "the bible said it, so it must be true".

Reread my post.

Back in the early 20th century, religion was part of the schools back then (the time when the fundamentalists controlled the schools). Early 20th century was a few decades (period of ten years) ago, Fundamentalism was extreme christianity, which is religion. Not that hard to comprehend is it?

Chris, the theory part of evolution is the one where, it's talking about a monkey to a man, that one is a theory. I'm talking about much smaller differences. Like a family of people that build a natural immunity to X disease. It doesn't matter if there IS or IS NOT a god. The whole immunity thing would still exist no matter what you care to believe in.

I would agree with you perfectly if there was only 1 or 2 other religions, but there's not. There's a blam load of them. Too many of them if you asked me personally.

Because Intelligent Design is not science.



We can observe evolution taking place. We have seen evolution take place within the last few hundreds of years. We can observe fossil evidence.

We cannot, however, observe a "Creator" or "God" creating life on Earth, nor can we witness a "creator" influencing evolution of life on Earth.

Eve Just HAD To Eat That Apple, Didn't She? Couldn't She Waited Until Dinner?

ADDITION:
Oh And, I Think Evolution Doesn't Make Sense, At Least Not All Of It, Matter Clashing Together Makes A Single-Celled Organism, Then It Evolves, I Could See The Evolving Happening, But I Just Can't See How It Was Made, It Was Based Off An Idea, No Evidence, Therefore It Is A concept, And Only A Concept., If Evolution Is True, Then We Would Evolve To Only Need Things Necessary To Live, We Would Need To Mate, But If Evolution Is True, Pleasure During Mating Would Not Exist, It Is A Reward Not A Neccesitiy, People Would Not Have Love And Compassion, Or Build, If Evolution Was True, Humans Would Just Sit There, Search For Food, And Stay Alive, Kill Each other For Food, And Express No Qualities That Make Us Humans Different From Others.

Thats Just What I Have To Say

And Yes I Capitalized The Beginning Of Every Word, (Bad Habit)

Sighs... I'm serious, 90% of the people I argue against (and probably 20% I argue for!) don't even know what evolution is.

Evolution does not equal abiogenesis. Or, to put simpler, evolution does not explain how where life came from. The book, written by Darwin, is entitled "The Origin of Species", not "The Origin of Life". There is a significant difference; the two do not need to co-exist.

If there is life, evolution will happen. If not, then it won't. But simply because evolution "exists" does not mean life must have come from nothing.

Also, these "feelings" you're talking about is simply from evolution, you feel better. Feel better is good, so it passed on.

As for these moral issues, I don't think that's true. I believe evolution is true; but I also have moral standards and is probably higher than most religious people who think god is everything. I put logic infront of everything, if it's not logical, why do it?

Do you think it's illogical to kill a person or because god said it's bad?

I am tired of hearing this debate. If you took middle school science you know what a theory is. A theory is an explanation for a natural occurance backed up by numerous experiments and observations. So if you say "OMG EVOLUTION JUST A THEORIE LOL!~@" you have no idea what you are talking about. It's like saying "The theory of relativity is just a theory" or "the gravitational theory is just a theory". Yes, the theory of gravitation is still called a THEORY. Now let's skip to intelligent design: bull@#^!. Science is based on observations, experimentations, drawing conclusions. In case of evolution we have numerous examples of transitional forms, vestigial structures and other evidence. Expereminations have been done. HIV virus is not cured, because it EVOLVES to the cure used on it. Penecillin was rendered almost useless, due to its overuse and therefore causing natural selection and evolution.
Gay rights - let them marry. Who cares? I mean what reason not to let them marry? "THE CHURCH SAID NOT TO" Separation of Church and state. Civil marriages are secular and therefore do not need church approval.
Abortion - WHY THE HELL DO MEN (who dominate every political and judiciary branch) GET TO VOTE ON THAT? That is solely a womans issue. I am a man, but I think it just doesn't make any sense! It's like Canada voting on whether to make fire-arms illegal in the USA or not. "OMG BUT DAT BABIE MITE B A SCIENTIST LOLE" Negative. If a baby is unwanted to the point of abortion he will live a life of neglect and poverty. Hey no one says "But that baby might turn out a cereal killer". Even if Roe vs Wade will be overturned, parents will use clotheshangers or just drown their babies. Yes such cases are known. Surely this is not humane.
I love conservatives (We are pro life, we limit womens rights, but we approve of pointless slaughter of 100,000+ iraqi civillians)
Missionaries don't bother me at all. All you have to do is open the door, laugh in their face and slam it.

Finally (if you are religious do not read below this part) Religion (mainly the christian one) was created to subdue the masses by putting them back into line. Seriously isn't that the perfect way? It is a crime deterrent, keeps all the people in order and non-rebellious. Take this for example: every radical dictator used religion to control the masses (excluding the Soviet Russian dictators who preached atheism).
Yes I am a non-religious liberal.


Edit: Oh and about this educated individual
"Oh And, I Think Evolution Doesn't Make Sense, At Least Not All Of It, Matter Clashing Together Makes A Single-Celled Organism, Then It Evolves, I Could See The Evolving Happening, But I Just Can't See How It Was Made, It Was Based Off An Idea, No Evidence, Therefore It Is A concept, And Only A Concept., If Evolution Is True, Then We Would Evolve To Only Need Things Necessary To Live, We Would Need To Mate, But If Evolution Is True, Pleasure During Mating Would Not Exist, It Is A Reward Not A Neccesitiy, People Would Not Have Love And Compassion, Or Build, If Evolution Was True, Humans Would Just Sit There, Search For Food, And Stay Alive, Kill Each other For Food, And Express No Qualities That Make Us Humans Different From Others."

1) Evolution makes sense, first amino acids formed, then they formed proteins, proteins combined with nucleic acids in such a form that are able to reproduce. And so it begins
2) "Not evidence" open your biology book
3) "We Would Need To Mate, But If Evolution Is True, Pleasure During Mating Would Not Exist" What makes you think people would mate if there was no pleasure? All necessities are based on instant gratification rewards. I.E. Hunger is the reason we eat and survive. Thirst is the reason we drink and survive. Pleasure is the reason we mate and reproduce.
4)If Evolution Was True, Humans Would Just Sit There, Search For Food, And Stay Alive, Kill Each other For Food, And Express No Qualities That Make Us Humans Different From Others."
Is that what is now happening? The USA invasion for profit for corporation is basicly liek fighting for food. And tell that to "president" George W. Bush, since he has soo many feelings for over 100,000 Iraqi CIVILLIANS that have died for no cause.

1) Read what Cheeze just said. Life's formation is from the heterotroph hypothesis.
2) The whole debate is on whether or not Intelligent Design should be added to Biology books...
3) You're looking at it from the wrong direction. According to Darwinian evolution, the fittest survives. The feeling of hunger is what enabled species X to know when to eat and survive, the lack of which killed off species Y to extinction. Rinse and repeat for thirst and pleasure.
4) The original quote that you quoted can be easily disproved without getting politics involved. "If Evolution Was True, Humans Would Just Sit There, Search For Food, And Stay Alive, Kill Each other For Food, And Express No Qualities That Make Us Humans Different From Others." No, it should be that "If evolution was true, humans should show improved traits setting us apart from earlier humanlike fossils of species that have gone extinct because it means our current traits have kept us alive." Obviously, facts do prove this.