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so others "faiths" dont believe in god right?

Faiths. Notice the "s". If I meant only islam by that, there would be no "s".

This is from a few posts back, but the people picking on 1 or two posts to try and completely pick on RELIGON in general need to stop. This is YOUR perception on the whole "god thing". No, not god, this is your preception on christianity, or cathlism(spelled that wrong) or watevr else uses that burn in hell blam. If you don't want to believe in a cathlic or christian god fine, but don't go :censored:ing flammin at the idea of god, as some hypocritical bas**rd. And second of all where the hell did you hear about this whole burn in hell blam? Only one's damned to burn in hell are followers of Satan, and satan himself(yeah I read some of the Bible ). So where ever you got the whole idea of god sending everyone who did bad to hell, that's not even what this so called christian "god" you're talkin about goes about it.
Mind if I ask what it is about the idea of a God that sickens you? Because obviously you don't just not believe in god, you detest the thought of any "christian/cathlic god" so I'm guessing something/s shaped your mind like this. Why do you hate the idea of a god?
(this goes to lots of you Athiests, I just have to know what tics you guys off it's rediculous)

~Tdnfthe1
P.S. What's with all the word editing Admins? And it's not just swear words.

Okay this is just a question, and it might be a misconception of mine, but doesn't god send you to hell if you don't believe in him?

...........oh yeah.......thats what he dose............... anyway. why are we still talking about this stupid blam? we cant prove it, and we cant diss-prove it....so yeah.........DANCE!!! o\-< o|-< o/-< o|-< o]-<

I'm pretty sure that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a Maddox thing. Notice the pirates. And the outlandish ideas that are not meant to be taken seriously. And all the things that are being sold.

And that's another way you can manipulate statistics.

Sorry for having the balls to believe in the side that has the highest chance of being right. I'm not an Atheist for personal gain or anything like that. I will get no reward, yet I might get a punishment. Let me tell you one thing, I'm not gonna go my death bed and think of myself as a man that was so scared of death, that I had to believe in a God that went against all my logic and reasoning, and repent just to be safe. I want to have personal honor when I die.



Ya, you're right, let's never argue about this. Let's just leave it here for thousands of years, you know. I mean seriously people. No one is right, and no one is wrong. Let's not offend people, we need to practice more political correctism. Just like what they do with baseball where they don't keep track of score, and there's no outs. So everyone can go home happy. No winners, and no Losers.

I got 1 simple word for all of that: Deez.

Haha! I thought this was Serious Discussion!

Xenomaniac just pwned this topic, and every other topic dealing with religion.

Really, religion shouldn't be part of any serious discussion.

If you read my post, that's one of the things I'm using as an immediatary. In CATHOLISM and CHREISTIANITY, some people believe in the crap that god sends everyone to hell who doesn't do EXACTLY WHAT PLEASES HIM. Besides the fact that I personally don't believe that, the point of my post was to see why you guys like to single out christianity and catholism and make fun of it in every way u don't like.(specifically Alpha(mc) ) What's so sickening to you athiest's about those religons? Maybe it's becuz what you don'tunderstand you dislike, or repel. That's the way of the (white supremacy ) world. You guys will always look correct because you lash out at religons(NOT GOD) and point out some little piece of crap of information you guys think is so unbelievably bottom. So yeah I want a response from you guys who keep sayin "We don't need this thread because The believers can't prove their god." I want you to answer my question from the earlier post, that's all I ask.


Ok, your side is OVER 50% OF BEING CORRECT right? But that's your opinion, in reality it's as simple as this, it's a blatent 50% chance of being right or wrong. That simple. It's a yes or no, exist or not question. Straight out it's 50% chance straight out. If you wanna have personal honor or whatever fine, if you think people who worship a god are hypocrits and idiots-fine. However, if you were a real person of honor, you wouldn't make mockery posts of other people/things because you don't want to be apart. Just don't be apart of it, and be happy, feeling the need to state so means it's for some personal inner gain, not for the fact of just doing or being. Meh I've wasted time.


Wow monkeys talk! What will they think of Next!

Wow, devilesk's first non-sarcastic post! All hail Devilesk!
Anwyays, it appears there is this misconception of what exactly are the reasons God "throws" you into heaven or hell.

Christian Theatrics
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1) In the beginning unless you can prove that infinity plus one exists there was no tangible universe, meaning that all natural laws were worthless including time.

2) Then, supposedly, "God" being intangible created the realm of the tangible. And in this realm, he made limits. Of course, since he himself invented such limits, he could easily alter them on a whim for his purposes. Miracles.

2b) God, being intangible, has no specific form; therefore, he could be one or could be many. Consider how clouds can merge to be "three in one".

3) God possibly for satisfaction created Man in his own image.

4) God, not wanting to be injust by withholding his own image the possibility of evil, placed the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. argh he haad to be "fair" -_-

5) Man, decieved by "Satan" who did not want to be #2 to God, ate from the tree and recieved knowledge of all "justice" and "injustice". Take careful note that this is the only event in the entire Bible that could be thought of as "fantasy". All other miracles in the Bible have been overhyped and radically placed as "children's stories". Ever wondered why you never learn of Revelation as a kid?

5b) Man is now separated from God due to God's inability to be near injustice. So yes, this is proof that God can't do everything. That is different than "all-powerful".

6) God, not wanting to lose his breatheren, put Man on a higher platform than animals. In doing such, the term "sacrifice" is used by placing the sin upon the animal, letting man remove their injust deeds.

*fast forward*
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Prefix) Time had passed, and man did "sacrifices" as a monotonous procedure. This did not please God. As we all know, the way to become "sinless" is not to keep repenting after you sin. It's to stop sinning!

Prefix#2) From out of this "monotonous" procedure came the Pharisees, who were self-righteous and put doing "just actions" over "just attitudes".

1) God, not wanting to force man to be sinless NOR destroy, humbled a part of himself onto the earth. We call this part "Jesus", or "Messiah" (depends if you read prophecies).

1b) This "part" of God was to be the last sacrifice. Who better than a sinless intangible being to place sin upon?

2) Jesus was crucified, and supposedly, defeated "death" and ascended to heaven.

I needed the background information to organize some things.

Anyways, for a "sacrifice" to work, you had to:
1) Get an animal without defect.
2) Repent of your sins and change your attitude
3) Believe that the "sacrifice" has value.

The reasons are as such:
1b) "Put blame on a guilty person!"
2b) What's the use of a sacrifice without reason?
3b) "I was too lazy to go to KFC, so I just barbarqued!"

If you don't understand the reasons, don't worry; they might be too deep for you.
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When the Pharisees came in, they removed the 2nd part of number two. The sacrifice may still "work", but it is an empty sacrifice! Thus, Jesus became the new "sacrifice".


Therefore, in order to get to heaven you must:
1) Get Jesus who is without defect
2) Repent of your sins and change your attitutde.
3) Believe that the "sacrifice" of Jesus applied to you.

Thank you all for your time and patience.

Basically, Kirby said:

"I don't know so god must be the answer!"

Most of my posts are serious and non-sarcastic, it's only when I'm in a mean mood and I'm intolerant of stupidity that I use sarcasm

Thank you for clearing it up for me though.

One other question, you said the things that get you into heaven, what if you don't do those things, do you get sent to Hell then?

Basically CheeZe said:

"Wow kirby's post was too deep for me to comprehend, I'll lash out at him in hope for some back-up to arrive."

I knew you would make that mistake, that is why I italicized the word.

How is he lashing out at Kirby, and how was he not comprehending it? In fact to "basically" say something and condense it into something people who are not as smart can understand actually takes a lot of comprehension skills.

Kirby's post was simply background information on the bible, I believe.

It is a very serious topic, Infact it may be too serious for this forum. More than half the people are stubburn as hell. And you only waste your time by arguing with them.

But I do agree, this topic should be closed. Only argue about religion if some one is either really ask for it, or is trying to do something that effects the way you live with it. Even then, don't expect a victory or a defeat.

It's "serious" but you can't have an argument on it.

We're working on a banana-fueled car.

Yes who can. What I think you meant to say was, you can't have a GOOD argument on it? Well, it all comes down to who is arguing with whom. And most of the people here don't really meet my personal standards.

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Which is why you can't have a discussion that includes god or religion.

To quote Xenomaniac:

Yep. You see, Christianity was this pivot in Judiasm where it changed from "focus on the actions" to "focus on the heart". God sent his son/form Jesus, changing the religion of "i OWN you so OBEY ME OR DIE" as many atheists love to put it to the personal fellowship with God.

This "focus on the heart" pivot also solves the Hitler problem for multiple reasons.

1) By "focusing on the heart", good actions WILL follow. By changing a state of mind, a change in actions occurs. That's just common logic.

2) Suppose Hitler somehow did have a "revelation" and saw the horror he had done and repented. Does that mean he goes to heaven? Sure, why not? God is that freaking merciful. God doesn't hate the image of himself; he hates the sin. Without this word "sin", there's no difference between Hitler and Mother Teresa.

2b) I noticed that some may think I have been beaten by the Hitler argument, yes? Although it could be sound logic, I doubt they don't know what "love" is.

Think of a love relationship. If you say a guy who says she "loves" a girl, but then does everything she hates on purpose, would you honestly believe he loves her? This is the same relationship with man and God. If you really "loved" God, then you would obviously do what God likes. If you don't, then you wouldn't. That wasn't hard to follow was it?

Let's revise the first conclusion now, shall we?

*old*1) The way to get to heaven is to believe that God sent his son/form Jesus to save us from our sins.

*NEW*2) God sent his son/form Jesus out of love to save us from our sins and to create a personal relationship with us. No, I did not radically change the first conclusion into the second. I am merely adding on the "unobserved strings" you could say. Not hidden strings, unobserved strings to passers by.
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I will now make the statement that is very important to the Hitler case. If one can disprove this, you have possibly defeated the intricate web of Christianity.

2b) God and man has ALWAYS been about the "focus on the heart", never the "focus on the actions". This is quite the large statement. I just said that the Jews were wrong for thousands of years! Why would someone like me make such a blunder as to say something so large? Because it is observed in the Bible as true.

If you've read the Old Testament, you'll realize that the Jews WERE messing up on this area. Unfortunately, the OT is probably where I lack the most in immediate "biblical knowledge". Therefore, you'll need to read the stories and figure out for yourself and see if what I say is true. You guys get Sunday mornings off right?

Well, I'll give you leads before i just say, "you figure it out" for this section:
Say this phrase to some adult Bible scholars and ask about it. Ask things like, "What's the context of this phrase?" "Why did he tell Saul that?"

In the Bible, read these books:
Jonah (Town of Hitlers)
Job (God ain't fair)
Malachi (The Pharisees sprang from this book)
If you can't get through Job, don't worry; i couldn't either

Anyways, the reason I brought that up is because if it has always been about your "heart", then the Hitler case would never exist.

Yes, you're right in saying that it takes a lot of comprehension skills to compress it into something understandable. But, this is one of those rare moments when I fully agree with indecisiveman.

Here, i'll show you an example: I will now sum up what i've "basically said" from the dashed lines and down.
I don't know the answer, so i'm hope you're stupid enough to accept Christ.

Now, think deeply; does that ACTUALLY portray what I've said?

Hey kirby! Where's your arguement?

All I see is a whole bunch of ad hocs.

For those who think I'm an idiot because I have no "arguements":
Please tell me where his arguement is.