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Yes that is known as the denial of the Philosophical Paradox. Who, seriously, would want to believe that logic leads them to kill themselves??? So, there are those who deny the paradox even though it slaps them in the face as true. (They deny instead of refuting)

There are a few though, who believe they have enough reason to exist even after reading this argument.

Exactly. All things you could do in existance are not in nonexistance, such as the ability to remember.

Wether you live or not, is not logical or illogical. It currently has no stance. There are no major laws on the meaning of life, it's what ever you want it to be. Since concrete logic is based on deductive reasoning, (and hopefully we all know how deductive reasoning works) then the meaning of life has no stance wether it is or is not logical.



I need to get something straight with you, make sure I'm not misunderstanding this real fast. I hope you did a typo or something.

Did you just say; If you believe in nothing after existance, that you have no reason for existance. As in, you should just kill yourself?

[quote=Alpha(MC),Oct 9 2005, 04:04 PM]
Wether you live or not, is not logical or illogical. It currently has no stance. There are no major laws on the meaning of life, it's what ever you want it to be. Since concrete logic is based on deductive reasoning, (and hopefully we all know how deductive reasoning works) then the meaning of life has no stance wether it is or is not logical.
[quote]I need to get something straight with you, make sure I'm not misunderstanding this real fast. I hope you did a typo or something.
Did you just say; If you believe in nothing after existance, that you have no reason for existance. As in, you should just kill yourself?
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Yep! That's why I call it a Philosophical Paradox. Who would seriously want to follow logic like that?

If you uphold logic, and if you believe that there is nothing after death... then from those premises.. I have made the conclusion that you have no reason for existance.

Some "religious" people are exempt, because their reason to not die yet is because they have been instructed to save others from "Hell" or what-not.

Ginnungagap is exempt because he could care less about logic (He ignores the first premis.)

CheeZe is exempt because he believes that despite that everyone will forget all he's done, he still thinks he has reason enough to exist. ("defeating" the argument)

Why do you make it sound like I'm wrong?

Because I think you're wrong! Duh!

All it comes down to if you believe that despite the logic against it, you still believe you have reason to exist, then that's it. I'm not gonna waste my time tryin to disprove an opinion!

Edit: Agh this comes back down to ad hocs again... HAHAHAH

You didn't use logic against me. Out of all the people, I thought you would figure that out.

That's why I'm confused as to how I'm wrong. We voiced our opinions and opinions only. Are you going to tell me my opinion was wrong?

It's not ad hoc. I'm arguing not from logic.

I used logic to prove that all mankind will soon perish.. lol did you miss that or something?


Let's see.... how to explain it..

Emotional: Do you believe that your reason to exists is valid despite that it will cease to exist with everyone else?

Logical: Do you believe that it's not enough evidence to show that your reason is invalid?

No. I already explained how that's irrelevant.

Stop arguing from logic. This isn't something logic can handle. Thus, we must introduce a new player (Your emotional response is still logical).

Hey could you explain how it was irrelevant again? I'm searching of how you refuted it, but i'm failing miserably

You should be able to put 1+1+1 together by now. I expect more from you.

*examines the quote carefully*
*wonders if the quote is relevant to the argument or not*
*compares the two*

Ah ha! It fails because the ice cream isn't actually "gone"! It is only changed from one state of matter to another! My argument is about ceasing existence, not changing existence!

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*looks at CheeZes post*
*smiles*

Meaning what exactly?

If don't get something, tell me. If you still think I'm wrong logically, explain how.

No no.. it's nothing.

... How does matter "cease to exist" then? Does it just magically disappear? Even if the ice cream's matter still exists, the icecream itself as we define ice cream ceases to exist. You don't change existence, either something exists or it doesn't.

You are absolutely right! But, there still is one main difference between ice cream and huamns. Humans can think, while ice cream cannot.

When we digest ice cream, we are merely separating molecules, and as you said, making the "full form" of the ice cream be gone. I realized that when humans die, the exact same thing happens. BUT, not only do molecules split apart, our "life" or "thought" ceases to exist. Ice cream doesn't have life, while humans do.

That is the difference.

... you sound like you believe our "life" or "thought" is a soul or something, pfft. It's still all molecules and matter and stuff. GEEZ

Yes, but can an ice cream think for itself? Our molecules are arranged that we can do more than what "inanimate objects" can do. Our combination of molecules makes us more than merely a "combination of molecules".

Just cause you believe there is no meaning after death, doesn't mean you have no meaning in life. Just means you have no meaning after life. That's all.

During the time you're alive, you choose or let someone else choose for you on what your meaning is. It's basically, if you think about it, free will.

[center]The Meaning Of Life[/center]
-By Sessase

Something that make humans believe that they are not useless...

Thinking for itself is irrelevant. The same thing happens to those "complex" combinations of molecules when a person dies. They are still molecules.

But the question is "Can ice cream think?". I already admitted that I had messed up before.
I had used my words incorrectly. I was speaking about how our "minds": our thoughts, feelings, and other such things, cease existance when our molecules decompose and blood does not supply the brain and such.

When the ice cream is "gone", it is the changing of states.
When the human is "gone", the concrete body is only changing of states, but the abstract MENTAL state ceases existance.

Now do you understand what I mean by when we become "nonexistant"?

There is no abstract mental state.

Ah I see... you believe in the theory of materialism do you not?

This will get interesting.