Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-10-28 at 22:30:02
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Something I remebered when thinknig about the bible a while back...
Consider the following.
A day is not exactly 24 hours long, it's more like 23, 56, and 4 seconds.
Accumulated this time measne we are 6 years in the future. (Starting at when the ano domini callender begins.) Yet since it was falsly started (6 years too ealry.) this means that right about now our time is synchronized with something we could have known nothing about at the time. In a few decades we'll start inadvertently living in the future again though.
Consider the following.
A day is not exactly 24 hours long, it's more like 23, 56, and 4 seconds.
Accumulated this time measne we are 6 years in the future. (Starting at when the ano domini callender begins.) Yet since it was falsly started (6 years too ealry.) this means that right about now our time is synchronized with something we could have known nothing about at the time. In a few decades we'll start inadvertently living in the future again though.
We have refined the day to a point where we will not be out of sync with real time for 10000 years. But Ano-Domini (The Year of Our Lord, correctly translated), is partially wrong because during Jesus' time, the day was 24 haours exactly, then it was refined to 365 days exactly in a ayear, until we got to the point where we are now. But Jesus was actually born in 4BC, and time is not out of sync by 6 years. This was fixed in 1776 (multiple other fixes have been implemented since then), when they added 10 days to october for several years. If anything, we are living slightly before where time actually is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2005-10-28 at 22:33:54
That's deep...... I'm sorta lost for words here besides what I just said. I'm not religious, I believe you're just gone after you die. I mean if you look at the scientific evidence then it seems highly unlikely that there is a god or any life after death so I agree with Syphon saying that the statement "To die is to gain infinite knowledge and wisdom to become god" is hypocritical after you've said you don't believe in god or religion...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-10-28 at 23:33:21
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We have refined the day to a point where we will not be out of sync with real time for 10000 years. But Ano-Domini (The Year of Our Lord, correctly translated), is partially wrong because during Jesus' time, the day was 24 haours exactly, then it was refined to 365 days exactly in a ayear, until we got to the point where we are now. But Jesus was actually born in 4BC, and time is not out of sync by 6 years. This was fixed in 1776 (multiple other fixes have been implemented since then), when they added 10 days to october for several years. If anything, we are living slightly before where time actually is.
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No it wasn't you have no way to prove that during the years 6 B.C. - 22 A.D. the day was exactly 24 hours. Mainyl because time wasn't measured like that. And the day still isn't definied well enough, we add something along the line of a day that doesn't exist every year, not noticeable, but odd nontheless.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-10-28 at 23:33:53
I'd like to point out something
I Believe that the Creationism theory that most people describe of is wrong. Why? Because they interpret the creation of the world in Genesis to be six earth days. Although it says six "Days" in Genesis, I dont think it's necessarily Earth Days. Besides, in some of those "days," the Earth and the Moons and all that stuff haven't been created yet so how could you define them as Earth Days when an Earth Day doesn't actually exist? Now as the Bible indicates MANY times, these "days" are often described as VERY long periods of times. It oculd be a thousand years, a million years, or more. No one really knows for sure: God's "day" could be our "100k years" or whatever.
So taking into account that God's "day" could be, lets say, 500 thousand years or more, we see that on the 4th or 5th "day," the animals were created. And as fossil evidence shows us, we date dinosaur bones to be almost that many "days" old. And remember, the "day" the dinosaurs were made were before the humans came into place.
Just my thought.
I Believe that the Creationism theory that most people describe of is wrong. Why? Because they interpret the creation of the world in Genesis to be six earth days. Although it says six "Days" in Genesis, I dont think it's necessarily Earth Days. Besides, in some of those "days," the Earth and the Moons and all that stuff haven't been created yet so how could you define them as Earth Days when an Earth Day doesn't actually exist? Now as the Bible indicates MANY times, these "days" are often described as VERY long periods of times. It oculd be a thousand years, a million years, or more. No one really knows for sure: God's "day" could be our "100k years" or whatever.
So taking into account that God's "day" could be, lets say, 500 thousand years or more, we see that on the 4th or 5th "day," the animals were created. And as fossil evidence shows us, we date dinosaur bones to be almost that many "days" old. And remember, the "day" the dinosaurs were made were before the humans came into place.
Just my thought.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-10-29 at 00:01:10
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I'd like to point out something
I Believe that the Creationism theory that most people describe of is wrong. Why? Because they interpret the creation of the world in Genesis to be six earth days. Although it says six "Days" in Genesis, I dont think it's necessarily Earth Days. Besides, in some of those "days," the Earth and the Moons and all that stuff haven't been created yet so how could you define them as Earth Days when an Earth Day doesn't actually exist? Now as the Bible indicates MANY times, these "days" are often described as VERY long periods of times. It oculd be a thousand years, a million years, or more. No one really knows for sure: God's "day" could be our "100k years" or whatever.
So taking into account that God's "day" could be, lets say, 500 thousand years or more, we see that on the 4th or 5th "day," the animals were created. And as fossil evidence shows us, we date dinosaur bones to be almost that many "days" old. And remember, the "day" the dinosaurs were made were before the humans came into place.
Just my thought.
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I Believe that the Creationism theory that most people describe of is wrong. Why? Because they interpret the creation of the world in Genesis to be six earth days. Although it says six "Days" in Genesis, I dont think it's necessarily Earth Days. Besides, in some of those "days," the Earth and the Moons and all that stuff haven't been created yet so how could you define them as Earth Days when an Earth Day doesn't actually exist? Now as the Bible indicates MANY times, these "days" are often described as VERY long periods of times. It oculd be a thousand years, a million years, or more. No one really knows for sure: God's "day" could be our "100k years" or whatever.
So taking into account that God's "day" could be, lets say, 500 thousand years or more, we see that on the 4th or 5th "day," the animals were created. And as fossil evidence shows us, we date dinosaur bones to be almost that many "days" old. And remember, the "day" the dinosaurs were made were before the humans came into place.
Just my thought.
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But then you could also take into account that God exists out of time, so he may very well still be creating the Earth. Maybe something happened like his day is an infinate ammount of our days, which would mean we don't exist yet. And that the universe never began and will never end...
Please disregard what I just said.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-10-29 at 01:27:47
It also says in the bible "Seek and ye shall find". Don't complain if you don't want God. Only the ones who want him find him. God gives us just enough evidence so if we want him, we can CHOOSE to follow him. If not, too bad. Also, it takes the purpose out of your individual life without God.
The Bible is a collection of books, and one of the old testament books predicted Jesus' coming and him saving the Earth.
The Bible is a collection of books, and one of the old testament books predicted Jesus' coming and him saving the Earth.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-10-29 at 03:04:42
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But Ano-Domini (The Year of Our Lord, correctly translated), is partially wrong because during Jesus' time, the day was 24 haours exactly, then it was refined to 365 days exactly in a ayear, until we got to the point where we are now. But Jesus was actually born in 4BC, and time is not out of sync by 6 years.
Um I'd just like to point out that no matter what measure of time was in a day, the days would still consist of one sun rise and set. Years would consist of a circulation of the four seasons. The date would be the same, its probably because Jesus has never been found and all we can do is speculate what happened.Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-10-29 at 03:41:00
QUOTE(MiLlEnNiUmArMy @ Oct 28 2005, 08:33 PM)
I'd like to point out something
I Believe that the Creationism theory that most people describe of is wrong. Why? Because they interpret the creation of the world in Genesis to be six earth days. Although it says six "Days" in Genesis, I dont think it's necessarily Earth Days. Besides, in some of those "days," the Earth and the Moons and all that stuff haven't been created yet so how could you define them as Earth Days when an Earth Day doesn't actually exist? Now as the Bible indicates MANY times, these "days" are often described as VERY long periods of times. It oculd be a thousand years, a million years, or more. No one really knows for sure: God's "day" could be our "100k years" or whatever.
So taking into account that God's "day" could be, lets say, 500 thousand years or more, we see that on the 4th or 5th "day," the animals were created. And as fossil evidence shows us, we date dinosaur bones to be almost that many "days" old. And remember, the "day" the dinosaurs were made were before the humans came into place.
Just my thought.
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I Believe that the Creationism theory that most people describe of is wrong. Why? Because they interpret the creation of the world in Genesis to be six earth days. Although it says six "Days" in Genesis, I dont think it's necessarily Earth Days. Besides, in some of those "days," the Earth and the Moons and all that stuff haven't been created yet so how could you define them as Earth Days when an Earth Day doesn't actually exist? Now as the Bible indicates MANY times, these "days" are often described as VERY long periods of times. It oculd be a thousand years, a million years, or more. No one really knows for sure: God's "day" could be our "100k years" or whatever.
So taking into account that God's "day" could be, lets say, 500 thousand years or more, we see that on the 4th or 5th "day," the animals were created. And as fossil evidence shows us, we date dinosaur bones to be almost that many "days" old. And remember, the "day" the dinosaurs were made were before the humans came into place.
Just my thought.
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You took the words right out of my mouth
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EviL on 2005-10-29 at 12:19:26
Ok guys.. well my french teacher told me something about a book.
The creator of the book is a guy that can read those egyptian writing ( don't remember name actually.. ). Well he said in the books that what the egyptian wrote is EXACTLY or ALMOST the same as the bible is writed( except the names that they changed ) . But the fact is, that Jesus supposly came back like 3000 years after the Pharaon age. So? What's the matter? Do you think it's true guys ?
The creator of the book is a guy that can read those egyptian writing ( don't remember name actually.. ). Well he said in the books that what the egyptian wrote is EXACTLY or ALMOST the same as the bible is writed( except the names that they changed ) . But the fact is, that Jesus supposly came back like 3000 years after the Pharaon age. So? What's the matter? Do you think it's true guys ?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ... on 2005-10-29 at 12:45:38
Did any of you know that the government actually found some evidence that the Bible is true, like the man and dinosaur at the same time. But, they did not want people to know because it conflicts with evolution.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-10-29 at 13:45:04
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No it wasn't you have no way to prove that during the years 6 B.C. - 22 A.D. the day was exactly 24 hours. Mainyl because time wasn't measured like that. And the day still isn't definied well enough, we add something along the line of a day that doesn't exist every year, not noticeable, but odd nontheless.
It is for this reason we add leap years.
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Did any of you know that the government actually found some evidence that the Bible is true, like the man and dinosaur at the same time. But, they did not want people to know because it conflicts with evolution.
The government is too corrupted to be able to say anything worth believing. Unfortunately, all governments are. This is also why Communism only looks good on paper.
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Ok guys.. well my french teacher told me something about a book.
The creator of the book is a guy that can read those egyptian writing ( don't remember name actually.. ). Well he said in the books that what the egyptian wrote is EXACTLY or ALMOST the same as the bible is writed( except the names that they changed ) . But the fact is, that Jesus supposly came back like 3000 years after the Pharaon age. So? What's the matter? Do you think it's true guys ?
The creator of the book is a guy that can read those egyptian writing ( don't remember name actually.. ). Well he said in the books that what the egyptian wrote is EXACTLY or ALMOST the same as the bible is writed( except the names that they changed ) . But the fact is, that Jesus supposly came back like 3000 years after the Pharaon age. So? What's the matter? Do you think it's true guys ?
The creator of the Bible isn't one person. It's many people in multiple times, in which this comes the "sources theory". J, (Yahwist), E, (Elohist), D, (Deuteronomist), and P (Priestly), arranged in most ancient to most recent.
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It also says in the bible "Seek and ye shall find". Don't complain if you don't want God. Only the ones who want him find him. God gives us just enough evidence so if we want him, we can CHOOSE to follow him. If not, too bad. Also, it takes the purpose out of your individual life without God.
The Bible is a collection of books, and one of the old testament books predicted Jesus' coming and him saving the Earth.
The Bible is a collection of books, and one of the old testament books predicted Jesus' coming and him saving the Earth.
The Jews don;t believe that Jesus was/is the savior of mankind/Messiah. They are still waiting for it.
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I Believe that the Creationism theory that most people describe of is wrong. Why? Because they interpret the creation of the world in Genesis to be six earth days. Although it says six "Days" in Genesis, I dont think it's necessarily Earth Days. Besides, in some of those "days," the Earth and the Moons and all that stuff haven't been created yet so how could you define them as Earth Days when an Earth Day doesn't actually exist? Now as the Bible indicates MANY times, these "days" are often described as VERY long periods of times. It oculd be a thousand years, a million years, or more. No one really knows for sure: God's "day" could be our "100k years" or whatever.
But a day for God IS a human day, (approximately 24 hours, slightly less), from our understanding. 6 Days for creation, and God rested on the Sabbath (7th day, Saturday). The Chrisitans observe it on Sunday, because it was the day Jesus rose from the dead (3 Jewish days in the tomb, sundown to sunrise).
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But then you could also take into account that God exists out of time, so he may very well still be creating the Earth. Maybe something happened like his day is an infinate ammount of our days, which would mean we don't exist yet. And that the universe never began and will never end...
No, the universe exists. And it WILL end (science says our universe will end by an uber-black hole, and the Bible says God will pwn the Devil at Megiddo on the last day). If it didn't exist, it would defeat the whole purpose of religion (explains WHY we are here, not HOW we are here), and life itself (as of now, undeterminable, besides to do God's will).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-10-29 at 14:10:05
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But a day for God IS a human day, (approximately 24 hours, slightly less), from our understanding. 6 Days for creation, and God rested on the Sabbath (7th day, Saturday). The Chrisitans observe it on Sunday, because it was the day Jesus rose from the dead (3 Jewish days in the tomb, sundown to sunrise).
No, the universe exists. And it WILL end (science says our universe will end by an uber-black hole, and the Bible says God will pwn the Devil at Megiddo on the last day). If it didn't exist, it would defeat the whole purpose of religion (explains WHY we are here, not HOW we are here), and life itself (as of now, undeterminable, besides to do God's will).
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No, the universe exists. And it WILL end (science says our universe will end by an uber-black hole, and the Bible says God will pwn the Devil at Megiddo on the last day). If it didn't exist, it would defeat the whole purpose of religion (explains WHY we are here, not HOW we are here), and life itself (as of now, undeterminable, besides to do God's will).
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This is all here and say, have you alked with god? did he tell you how long his day is? I don't think so. And science doesn't say anythnig about a black hole, it says there will either be a big freeze, or a big crunch. Depending on how much darkmatter exists at the time.
Also note that I typer "disregard what i just said." Because I'm not quite sure what I ment by it, but I ment something.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-10-29 at 16:05:31
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And as for a system of the afterlife, only the Christians have a defined afterlife, the Jews do not. They simply believe in a dumbed down version of Christian Purgatory. As for death, it is a part of life (ha ha, yeah ironic, isn't it?)
How can you say the jewish afterlife is a dumbed down version of christianity when judiaism came before christianity? Would that make the christian way a hyped up version of judiaism?Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-10-29 at 16:44:10
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The Jews don;t believe that Jesus was/is the savior of mankind/Messiah. They are still waiting for it.
It says something about a savior coming and forgiving our sins. Christians thought it was Jesus, so he is our God.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-10-29 at 16:58:58
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It says something about a savior coming and forgiving our sins. Christians thought it was Jesus, so he is our God.
For the Christians at least.
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How can you say the jewish afterlife is a dumbed down version of christianity when judiaism came before christianity? Would that make the christian way a hyped up version of judiaism?
Compared to. I correct myself.
As for Chritianity, the Jews at the time saw it as a illegitimate childization of the Law. So, yes, one could say it was a hyped up version.
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And science doesn't say anythnig about a black hole, it says there will either be a big freeze, or a big crunch. Depending on how much darkmatter exists at the time.
The end of the UNIVERSE. Not our pathetic little existences. Of course, there isn't anything to say that God didn't NOT agree with us. Of course, this could go on forever... it's a matter of interpretive difference. I say God's day is equal to our day (well not equal, only more accurate, considering all human measurements have a degree of doubt and inaccuracy, ask any scientist).
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Also note that I typer "disregard what i just said." Because I'm not quite sure what I ment by it, but I ment something.
Oops.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-10-29 at 18:43:07
God's Power is infinite. By 6 days, it might've been more like 6 milisecs. Who knows, and more importantly why does it matter how long it took god to make the earth? What DOES matter is did some guy make the earth? That's the question.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-10-30 at 03:21:38
Yeah. God did. He is a fluffy green panda, and he eats souls for breakfast 
But this is funny.
You can't change peoples perceptions, or beliefs. They have to make the choice themselves. Most aetheists just refuse to, because they are to arrogent about everything (Is Drunken not a prick? Is Cheeze not rude? Piss on fallacy, Ha!
) so there is always going to be resistance between the two.
But my moto is:
Who the fark cares?
But this is funny.
You can't change peoples perceptions, or beliefs. They have to make the choice themselves. Most aetheists just refuse to, because they are to arrogent about everything (Is Drunken not a prick? Is Cheeze not rude? Piss on fallacy, Ha!
) so there is always going to be resistance between the two.But my moto is:
Who the fark cares?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-10-30 at 06:48:06
I think that the Bible is real. Although i do not believe that it is 100% accurate. There are several books that have not been added and over the time translations could of altered it to a small extent.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-10-30 at 08:30:42
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I think that the Bible is real. Although i do not believe that it is 100% accurate. There are several books that have not been added and over the time translations could of altered it to a small extent.
Of course it is real! I have to read it for a school assignment right now! And we established that nothing in it is 100% accurate. It's not meant literally, so most of it is crap if you tried to see it historically. The historical books ARE accurate for lteralism, although some details may be streched or skewed. Please read the thread before you post.
ADDITION:
As for alteration, of course it has been altered. Some things don't translate directly over the English or Latin or anything from Hebrew to a full extent. For example, Yahweh is not actually Yahweh in Hebrew. It is spelled YHWH (written), and because the Jews never say it out loud, Yahweh may or may not be correct as a linguistic term. But it will end up to mean "I AM". It had to have been altered, or else it would not represent the meaning it does today. The Jews have 39 books, while the Christians have 73. Where do you get the 27 from the Chrstian scriptures + the 9 Deuterocanonical? By alteration!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-10-30 at 12:38:59
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Yeah. God did. He is a fluffy green panda, and he eats souls for breakfast
But this is funny.
You can't change peoples perceptions, or beliefs. They have to make the choice themselves. Most aetheists just refuse to, because they are to arrogent about everything (Is Drunken not a prick? Is Cheeze not rude? Piss on fallacy, Ha!) so there is always going to be resistance between the two.
But my moto is:
Who the fark cares?
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But this is funny.
You can't change peoples perceptions, or beliefs. They have to make the choice themselves. Most aetheists just refuse to, because they are to arrogent about everything (Is Drunken not a prick? Is Cheeze not rude? Piss on fallacy, Ha!
) so there is always going to be resistance between the two.But my moto is:
Who the fark cares?
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I agree with you 100%. Who cares. It doesn't really matter. But then again, if you think about it, we DO need to care. Because many leaders and law makers in this world, base their basic fundamental beliefs with a religion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-10-30 at 13:11:34
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I agree with you 100%. Who cares. It doesn't really matter. But then again, if you think about it, we DO need to care. Because many leaders and law makers in this world, base their basic fundamental beliefs with a religion.
Yeah, we do need to care. This is not a simple case of NMP (not my problem), becasue relgious morals define many justice systems. In Iran and some of the other Muslim countries, the law is based entirely on the Qu'ran, and disobeying it is punishable by death (expecially if you are female). Even the US laws are based loosely on the Torah and the 10 commandments (although, we don't believe in eye for an eye, which is Hammurabbi's system, and we don;t exactly make and dedicate or pray at the Temple).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mayhem on 2005-10-30 at 21:03:38
Religion is a very important facet in pplz lives but in america religoin is beginning to become nothin and young ppl dont think anything of it .
im 15 and religion is a big part of my life but none of my friends care
im 15 and religion is a big part of my life but none of my friends care
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2005-10-30 at 21:08:47
I believe that The Bible should be moved to the fiction section in Barnes & Noble 
... I think it's basically like most of the other people have said a collection of stories, stories always get sort of muddled and in the olden days people had less to believe in so they made up things to believe in... It's sort of like what children do..
... I think it's basically like most of the other people have said a collection of stories, stories always get sort of muddled and in the olden days people had less to believe in so they made up things to believe in... It's sort of like what children do..Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mayhem on 2005-10-30 at 21:31:25
I think the same as tmac
The bible wasn t meant to be taken seriuosly
but it wat it is, is a book of religios truths
The bible wasn t meant to be taken seriuosly
but it wat it is, is a book of religios truths
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-10-31 at 14:03:58
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I believe that The Bible should be moved to the fiction section in Barnes & Noble cool1.gif ... I think it's basically like most of the other people have said a collection of stories, stories always get sort of muddled and in the olden days people had less to believe in so they made up things to believe in... It's sort of like what children do..
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I think the same as tmac
The bible wasn t meant to be taken seriuosly
but it wat it is, is a book of religios truths
The bible wasn t meant to be taken seriuosly
but it wat it is, is a book of religios truths
It's is not a book for children. This has been established, because children don;t know what it means. If anything, children are the least to care about this. We care because it affects the world we live in. Of course, if one moved it into the fiction section, nothing would be wrong about it, although alot of people are going to complain about it (despite the fact it wouldn't necessarily be wrong). This could also mean those who don;t care about religion are children in their mindsets. Yes, we are now offically all children.
The Bible most certainly was meant to be taken seriously; just not literally, for for its moral thruths. Please read my posts.