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No where in The Bible, does it say you're going to go to hell if you don't follow morals, that is religious propoganda to threaten people into joining their church: "If you join our church, you will be saved from eternal damnation because WE SAY that The Bible says you will go to hell if you don't follow the morals we stole from The Bible!!!!'

It does teach good morals, but no where does it say that if you don't follow them, you will go to hell.



1. Technology has absolutely nothing to do with religion -_-

2. My life has a meaning. I'm here to fark a hot babe and have kids with her, spreading on my gene-pool and my legacy.

3. What countries? Please show us these countries you speak of, i'm sure we would be more than glad to listen to what you have to say.

BTW. If you say America was founded off of religion, you're wrong. We were founded off of the Greek Democracy, and the Roman Republic. Just because our founding fathers were religious, does not mean that we were based off of religion. Because if we were, we would not be in Iraq at this moment -_-

Didn't people from Western Europe travel to the Americas for religious freedom?
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I highly doubt you have read the whole bible without having a doubt of the benefit attitude.

ok. just for you kellimus

1. Ancient egypt- the pyramids were built out of religion
Incan/myans- Build grand temples
actually most of the worlds ancient civilizations built grand temples and increased technology for thier religion.

2. that isnt a meaning... thats instinctive drive. im talking like... if there wasnt any religion and you did have offspring what would it be for? there would be nothing for you when you die.

3. Pilgrimage to america(with the pilgrims and all to have religious freedom, that is by the way in our constitution.)
Israel
ok... maybe there wasnt many countries founded by religion but many of them have religion that shapes the way the country acts.

Time for a super long post...

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Morals come from within. Even if an ancient book says:
"Do this, do that, or else you will suffer from eternal damnation."

Humans do not need a book that tells us right from wrong. Let's pretend there is no bible. Ok? We are walking down the street, and you just killed somebody[No motive(Doesn't matter how) You just killed them for the hell of it]
You will most likely(there are exceptions) feel guilt, grief, and deep sadness. Why? Because that is how humans are wired.

People may say, "What separates humans from animals then?"
A lot, my friends. If we look deep enough, I am talking the genetic make up of a human. We are entirely different from most animals. The closest exception would be with monkeys. But, I have done a little bit of research, and found out that Mother monkeys(Heh... Sounds Funny) do indeed feel guilt/sadness if their baby was killed. It may not be for a long amount of time. But, they do feel. I don't know about other animals.

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I find this statement biased to no end.

I'm an atheist and I have plenty of morals. How do I know this? Because I am not going to go and shoot someone and not feel anything afterwards. I am able to distinguish right from wrong just as well as someone who is religious.

My morals come from the punishment that the law can pursue. Such as if I step into a car and raped then killed the driver. I would never do something like that.

Not out of fear of going to hell. But, out of fear of what the consequences would be. Life in jail, without parole? I would most likely kill myself before my term finished.

What I am saying is:

You displayed a lack of knowledge and show that you do not know many atheists. Please, before you post something that shows as much ignorance you have just shown everybody... Please, please do a little more research...


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This is true.

People like the Christian fundamentalists are the epitome of America.
*Forsaken coughs
BUSH
*Forsaken coughs

People like him, will be the downfall of the US. Why? Because they are so close-minded, that they will never listen to anyone else.
Take the ban on abortion act. Bush wants to ban all abortion clinics. Not only is that a bad idea, it is wrong! Just because his religion states that it is wrong to kill children.

Most of the babies that are being killed are in a non-living state. For those of you who say it is wrong to kill it, because it will be living. Then for every man that masturbates, you are killing millions of would be children. It's the same thing, just different context.


It's sad, isn't it?

The Crusades and the war in Iraq are prime examples. While the war in Iraq may not be directly against religion, it plays a significant role.

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I am going to break this apart.

#1 "I don't like racism but in some cases, it seems ok."
Racism is not ok. Regardless of it's context. Racism is what ruins the planet.

#2 "Like when someone is racism to your religion, then i believe you have every right to either punch them or say something bad about their religion. "
It's people like you that start these religious wars. Even if I say Christianity is the worst, most pointless religion. It gives people no right to hit me, or talk "trash" about my religion. Because one thing will always lead to another.

I say: "<insert religion> is bad."
You say: "No, <insert other religion> is bad. Mine is the right one. Sinner!"
I reply: "Oh yeah? What are you going to do about it?"
You respond: "I am going to kick your butt!"
I say: "Come on put 'em up"
You end up hitting me.
I get angry because I lost, so I bring a gun to <insert location> and shoot you.

One thing can/and most likely will multiply to worse, and wore outcomes.


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You weren't Christian (By choice) before you knew what it was.
Besides, were Muslims or Buddhists Christian? Then all of the sudden woke up, and converted to other religions.

I think not...


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Laws, buddy, laws. And our own morals that refrain us from doing heinous crimes.

Side note:
Bah... The sheer ignorance in this thread is astounding.

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Thank you. Thank you for posting a g good response to many of these pointless questions and accusations.

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So, you are saying that atheists are selfish because they choose a different belief?

Please, for the love of all things good, elaborate. Because I think my brain just fell out of my nose for hearing such a stupid response.

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Touché.


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Bullshiz.
The bible as well as priests state:

If you do not believe in Jesus/the almighty lord. You will not be accepted into heaven and will suffer from eternal damnation in hell.

Tell me that isn't daunting. That could scare almost anybody.
Because, what if, there is a god?
What do you say to that?

I sure as hell know what I will be saying:
"Why?"
"Since you are real, why haven't you done anything to prove your existence? To make our world a better place?"

"If this is a test, god, you sure are selfish!"

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What is always right for one person/race/religion, doesn't mean that it is right for everything else.

Christianity condones suicide.

But, many of the Iraqi's are literally, blowing themselves up. To be given ~70(I don't know the exact number) virgins and a piece of heaven.


Ignorance is bliss! I guess

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Wrong.

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Many civilizations flourished without religion. Take the Greeks.
They believe in many gods. But, religion was not their root for expansion and civilization.

Also, early China had no religion(I am not sure if they have one definite religion now).

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Sorry, but that is what happens.

Call my opinion biased, but if humans are the only one's to go to heaven. Why wouldn't god allow every species to go to heaven?

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That is unbelievably wrong!

No. Countries are torn apart by religions. Look at the Middle East! Are they 1st world countries? Are they flourishing? Are they producing world-renown anything’s?

No. They are not. Those countries are living in fear and horrendous conditions. The fear is instilled by religion. Because any second, they could be blown up by a jihad.

So are you saying your religion is the government? Who instated these "morals" of what is right and what is wrong?

Government isn't religion.

It's the consequences.

If it were up to me, we would have something like:

Henry David Thoreau's "Civil Disobedience"

Which means, a government run on morals. But, something like that would never happen. Even in a Utopia. Because people have different morals.

My bad, I should have said your "religion" is the government. Suppose the government decided that watching T.V. is a crime. Would it become morally wrong for you to watch TV? Think back to how it was for people before "cruel and unusual punishment" was instated. There was nothing morally wrong with execution and torture in the 1600's.

Religion isn't bad. In the end what it comes down to is the bad/stupid people.

Also, Pascal's Wager only shows one possibility. It's like gambling without knowing the rules.

ERmm.. you did say that the government was my religion.


Also, you are misunderstanding what I am saying.

My morals come from how I was raised. Not a book.

One of the things that keeps from committing crimes is the punishment from the government. The reason is, I am not afraid of some superflous entity. So, I am almost 99.9% sure, that I will not be going to a ficticious wonderland/hell.

haha you're missing my point. """""""religion"""""" emphasis on the bunny ears/quotes/double apostrophies/whatever they are.

But yes I see what you're saying but then that raises the question of "why"? Why be good? Why go to school, labor in a job, fight for your rights? If we die in the end and there's nothing after that why not just sit in a couch drinking chocolate milk and playing starcraft until you die?

What are you trying to say?

Because you keep missing my point.

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I know your point. We have the same point. The point is we don't do illegal things becuase an old book says that's a no no. We choose not be evil or corrupt not becuase of fear of going to hell as the bible says you will and not for the reward of going to heaven but becuase we know in our hearts, minds, and souls that that is not the right thing to do and it is how our parents were raised, how our parents raised us, and how we will raise our children. The law and consequences of breaking the written laws are there for people without those morals and who were not raised with moral mindset of what is right and wrong and for those individuals there is a law system which quarantines them for the safety and security of those are in fact moral.

I go about my daily business, labor at my job, go to school, and earn a living not for the sake of being remembered (although it would be a nice perk that I wouldn't say no to) but for the sake of living life. I plan to have kids to preserve my family line so that it may continue on for generations long after I am gone. Right now I do fear death, not becuase I don't know what it is, and what happens when you make that last step, but becuase I do not feel as if I have not accomplished what I want to accomplish. Basically, I'm not ready to die. That's why I choose to live. I don't care about going to hell or heaven. What will happen when I die has no effect on my actions today. Christianity seems to derive around the fact that you "live to die". I'm just an atheist that's choosing to "live to live".

[edit]missed an important "not" in there... changed the whole topic without it haha

My thoughts exactly. I just wasn't positive on what you were asking.

(Long day)

Plus, reading 30~40 posts of sheer ignorance can take a toll on anyone!

Forsaken, r u changing your opinions on his intelligence w/ this statement?:


Key Word

No no, I believe its on this

Thats so typical, once you have no arguments, Neji, you try to somehow discredit the person. Forsaken agrees with him, as do I, due to everything he said, not because hes necessarily athiest.

I know that I am not the smartest person in the world... But, what the FARK, did you just ask me?

wtf forsaken did you even read my second post?



and those middle eastern countries only refer to one religion, islam. where there are various differences within islam just like any other religion. do not take one religion and stereotype it for all the other religions.

also not many of them live in "horrendous conditions" only the countries that do not use thier natural resources and ingenuity for the better of thier country.

No, I guess I didn't see it.

Can you link me?


Please supply sufficient information about your blind accusation.

Because Isalm isn't the only religion over there.

And where the hell was I stereo-typing the religions?



Oh, so they live in a modern day paradise, huh?

Well, take a look at his:


#1

Innocent people getting killed by bombings.
#2

I would find more, but I don't have the patience.

Besides, I would rather have you prove to me that living in the Middle East is nice.

Becuase I think you are wrong. Dead wrong.

Yes there are other religions but islam is the major religion therefore it accounts for MOST of the countries.
You were stereo typing because you are giving just one religion and saying because of that all religion provokes war and violence.



Thats Iraq what about the other ones? iraq was pretty screwed over since saddam took control.
And not having electricity or clean water doesnt neccessarily mean horrible living conditions.


The middle east has been in turmoil for thousands of years. but since the source of thier fighting is Religion you dictate religion as bad(im not only talking to forsaken) but there are other things that spark wars. Government, descrimination, money, power.

Since when do you not need water?

Yes, but there are still wars going on in the Middle East because, of religion.


I was not stereo typing one religion.

But, religion is a huge factor in war.


Look at:
Afghanistan
Pakistan
Kuwait
Iran
Iraq

I am sure there are more. But that is good enough for now.



Let's put this into reality.

No Electricity:

# 1
Let's say your house was near a suicide bomber. You and your family were injured.
Your mother has lost her leg, and needs to get to a hospital, to get immediate help.

What good would getting her to the hospital if there is electricity? It is the same as leaving her back at home.

You need the elcetricity to save lives in the hospital.

#2
You have a bad heart condition, and you need to be constantly plugged into a wall. Without the heart-monitor, you would die.

So, no electricity isn't that bad?

No Clean Water:

#1
Again, you're in a hosptial, and you're dressing...(lol)your mother's wounds. If you have contaminated water, all that happens is the infection gains more bacteria, resulting in a more ferocious wound.

#2
You are extremley thirsty, but you cannot drink the water on the ground, because it has fallout from a bomb in it. Drink it, you... Die.

#3
Improper sewage systems. Anyone heard of the black plague? Poor sanititation is a virus' playground. Look at what happened to Europe in the Black Plague. They had poor sanititation, and over a third of the world's population died.

Yes, we do have ways to cure many of these disease's. [Sarcasm] But, why waist them on the middle east? All they are is a bunch of insufficient ragheads[/Sarcasm]


I never thought I would be able to use this legitimetley.

But, you have just completely changed the subbject.

The subject at hand is why religion is bad. We do know that the Middle East have been fighting for as long as there has been religion. That is what the Crusade's were based off of. RELIGION.

Besides, if you look at most of the wars, they have religion in them. I am not saying all. But definitley more than 75%. Imo, the 2 biggest factors in war are:

► Religion
► Money

Because of those 2 benefactors, there is war. If money and religion didn't exist(and we all lived in a utopia) wars would rarely occur.

I like this guy.
Plus, to show you that it's not just the Muslims who are war-hungry, it was, in fact, the Christians who began the Crusades.

For those who are blinded by the super high standard of living of the United States:

China, which has one of the highest standards of living, is crap (living standards, not country) compared to the United States.

Anyone who thinks these people are living in "ideal" conditions needs to actually go over there and see what's really happening. Stop letting your luxery blind you from the truth.

Hell I know how spoiled I am, and I thank fate every day.