Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-01-09 at 00:47:42
I have a shirt... one ofm y favs...
"You don't pray in our schools,
and I won't think in your church!"
"You don't pray in our schools,
and I won't think in your church!"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Do-0dan on 2006-01-09 at 01:05:06
i believe that when an action has occured, the number of possible outcomes lessen, but since some things are infinite(the universe), the possible outcomes must be infinite
.........so i dont believe in fate
.........so i dont believe in fate
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-09 at 02:46:00
In the words of Modest Mouse: "The Universe is shaped exactly like the Earth"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Bringer on 2006-01-09 at 04:43:07
So if I decide to go to school and shoot everyone that was meant to happen? It was my fate to go and kill 10 or more people? Then you could say yes that your God already choose that for me, but in fact you would not know your own religion for saying that. If you are Catholic or Christian then you should know that Humans are fare game for the Devil, he can do what he wants with you as if your a toy. Normally he tries to make you scorn your God before he kills you so that way you serve in his domain. Thus if you beleive in fate or that every thing happens for a reason then you can not beleive in Religion for the based fact that The Devil decides what happens to you at any given moment, it is not like he has a master plan for everyone.
I do believe for every choice in life that there is a split in the planes. So technically there is an infinite amount of planes based on different decisions because lets say you have 'yes' or 'no' well then each one of those would have two totally different paths based on minor decisions.
Now to my greater theory. In essesence you have no control over your life, because everyone around you effects your life. They have charge of what you do. If a drug dealer brings pot into your town and you try pot and turn into a pot head, then essentially his choices which were effected by something else lead him there which gave you the option to smoke pot. Chaos Theory basically. So you life is controlled by those in the past and those around you. You truly do not choose when you die even if you shoot urself, because you killed yourself because of society so they choose when you died.
I do believe for every choice in life that there is a split in the planes. So technically there is an infinite amount of planes based on different decisions because lets say you have 'yes' or 'no' well then each one of those would have two totally different paths based on minor decisions.
Now to my greater theory. In essesence you have no control over your life, because everyone around you effects your life. They have charge of what you do. If a drug dealer brings pot into your town and you try pot and turn into a pot head, then essentially his choices which were effected by something else lead him there which gave you the option to smoke pot. Chaos Theory basically. So you life is controlled by those in the past and those around you. You truly do not choose when you die even if you shoot urself, because you killed yourself because of society so they choose when you died.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red2Blue on 2006-01-09 at 11:21:32
Then again if it were fate that society were to teach you about certain things, then you are infact affected by fate. Fate brings things like this to come. Written in the books. Ask solar about the 4d, he will straighten you up about fate.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-09 at 20:04:51
QUOTE(Oo.Bringer.oO @ Jan 9 2006, 02:43 AM)
So if I decide to go to school and shoot everyone that was meant to happen? It was my fate to go and kill 10 or more people? Then you could say yes that your God already choose that for me, but in fact you would not know your own religion for saying that. If you are Catholic or Christian then you should know that Humans are fare game for the Devil, he can do what he wants with you as if your a toy. Normally he tries to make you scorn your God before he kills you so that way you serve in his domain. Thus if you beleive in fate or that every thing happens for a reason then you can not beleive in Religion for the based fact that The Devil decides what happens to you at any given moment, it is not like he has a master plan for everyone.
I do believe for every choice in life that there is a split in the planes. So technically there is an infinite amount of planes based on different decisions because lets say you have 'yes' or 'no' well then each one of those would have two totally different paths based on minor decisions.
Now to my greater theory. In essesence you have no control over your life, because everyone around you effects your life. They have charge of what you do. If a drug dealer brings pot into your town and you try pot and turn into a pot head, then essentially his choices which were effected by something else lead him there which gave you the option to smoke pot. Chaos Theory basically. So you life is controlled by those in the past and those around you. You truly do not choose when you die even if you shoot urself, because you killed yourself because of society so they choose when you died.
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I do believe for every choice in life that there is a split in the planes. So technically there is an infinite amount of planes based on different decisions because lets say you have 'yes' or 'no' well then each one of those would have two totally different paths based on minor decisions.
Now to my greater theory. In essesence you have no control over your life, because everyone around you effects your life. They have charge of what you do. If a drug dealer brings pot into your town and you try pot and turn into a pot head, then essentially his choices which were effected by something else lead him there which gave you the option to smoke pot. Chaos Theory basically. So you life is controlled by those in the past and those around you. You truly do not choose when you die even if you shoot urself, because you killed yourself because of society so they choose when you died.
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Well since you know about God, you do know he gave us free-will, correct?
Free-will is the ability to think for yourself, yes. I believe in fate. Fate has many endings, not just one. The choices you make (Your free-will) will bring the outcome of the fate.
The example you used: Murder.
Not necessarily. You had the choice to go and murder those individuals, so you altered your path to your fate with the choice you made, but your fate will always remain the same.
Let us say that my fate was to become the President of the United States when I reach the age of 50. Let us say, that my choices I have, lead me to commit a felony or two at the age of 35, that puts me away for 10 years. Felonies take 10 years to get off your record, so I would be 55. Then I become President of the United States.
Do you understand the way I perceive fate yet?
If you read The Holy Bible (Yeah, yeah, yeah..) It states in there, that God has your future planed for you, and the choices you make, lead you to that future...
So yeah.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-01-09 at 20:26:23
If our fate was pre-determined, we were supposed to think about fate. So we think about how our lives are pre-determined, and we do things that we think isn't a part of our pre-determined fate, but if our fates are pre-determined, we were supposed to try to stray from our pre-determined fate, those who think fate isn't pre-determined were pre-determined to think so, thus those who do think fate is pre-determined, were pre-determined to think so also, so there is no way to know if fate is pre-determined because if it was true then we would be pre-determined to disagree (those of us who disagree).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-09 at 22:34:45
Yeah hu. Smartass 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2006-01-09 at 23:06:39
QUOTE(Jet_Blast54 @ Jan 9 2006, 08:26 PM)
If our fate was pre-determined, we were supposed to think about fate. So we think about how our lives are pre-determined, and we do things that we think isn't a part of our pre-determined fate, but if our fates are pre-determined, we were supposed to try to stray from our pre-determined fate, those who think fate isn't pre-determined were pre-determined to think so, thus those who do think fate is pre-determined, were pre-determined to think so also, so there is no way to know if fate is pre-determined because if it was true then we would be pre-determined to disagree (those of us who disagree).
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Assuming your logic is correct (I stop paying attention to the accuracy about half way through), why can't it be like that?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-01-10 at 00:12:44
QUOTE(Euro @ Jan 9 2006, 12:47 AM)
I have a shirt... one ofm y favs...
"You don't pray in our schools,
and I won't think in your church!"
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"You don't pray in our schools,
and I won't think in your church!"
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LMAO man I want that shirt.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Do-0dan on 2006-01-10 at 00:20:18
the only way i can see fate not being pre-determined is if u go back in time and kill your parents
then u wouldnt be born and u wouldnt have gone back into the past, but u did go back into the past, so right at that moment, your fate was not pre-determined.......unless u were supposed to do all that stuff :0
then u wouldnt be born and u wouldnt have gone back into the past, but u did go back into the past, so right at that moment, your fate was not pre-determined.......unless u were supposed to do all that stuff :0
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red2Blue on 2006-01-10 at 02:31:08
Lets think of it this way: Mathematically and Scientifically.
1d: the detection of a point within a given space in the x axis.
2d: the detection between two different points to create one plane in the x and y axis.
3d: the detection between 3 different points to create a 3dimensional shape in xyz.
4d: the detection of the movements of 3dimensional shapes within any given time.
Seeing 4d, we can definitely see that fate does exist. Everything that happens will happen accordingly. Every 3dimensional object will interact in some way in every time and moment. We essentially exist within the plot of the 4d graph. Think of it as our entire lives grafted within this graph as our fate. We can't change it.
Now, you are talking about something different. Going back into the past is inevitablly impossible to do so if you only exist in the 3d. Think of it as this: you simply cannot go beyond your current dimension. So things that are in 1d cannot see or interact with things in the 2d and 2d cannot interact with 3d and so on. However. Theres a loophole in the system esp in the 3d->4d. You are talking about time travel. 4d works on things moving at certain rates and speeds. If you are able to excape the speed that 4d can contain, you can potentially jump 3d matter onto 4d time via. travel beyond the speed of light (which is supposedly the speed that 4d works).
Summing it all up:
It means that there is no way to change fate, fate is there because its predetermined by 4d, yet if you were able to exceed the 4d's parameters you can potentially change fate within 3d terms (this change of fate would be seen however in 5d, as 5d can detect what 4d does....).
Tricky.
1d: the detection of a point within a given space in the x axis.
2d: the detection between two different points to create one plane in the x and y axis.
3d: the detection between 3 different points to create a 3dimensional shape in xyz.
4d: the detection of the movements of 3dimensional shapes within any given time.
Seeing 4d, we can definitely see that fate does exist. Everything that happens will happen accordingly. Every 3dimensional object will interact in some way in every time and moment. We essentially exist within the plot of the 4d graph. Think of it as our entire lives grafted within this graph as our fate. We can't change it.
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the only way i can see fate not being pre-determined is if u go back in time and kill your parents
then u wouldnt be born and u wouldnt have gone back into the past, but u did go back into the past, so right at that moment, your fate was not pre-determined.......unless u were supposed to do all that stuff :0
then u wouldnt be born and u wouldnt have gone back into the past, but u did go back into the past, so right at that moment, your fate was not pre-determined.......unless u were supposed to do all that stuff :0
Now, you are talking about something different. Going back into the past is inevitablly impossible to do so if you only exist in the 3d. Think of it as this: you simply cannot go beyond your current dimension. So things that are in 1d cannot see or interact with things in the 2d and 2d cannot interact with 3d and so on. However. Theres a loophole in the system esp in the 3d->4d. You are talking about time travel. 4d works on things moving at certain rates and speeds. If you are able to excape the speed that 4d can contain, you can potentially jump 3d matter onto 4d time via. travel beyond the speed of light (which is supposedly the speed that 4d works).
Summing it all up:
It means that there is no way to change fate, fate is there because its predetermined by 4d, yet if you were able to exceed the 4d's parameters you can potentially change fate within 3d terms (this change of fate would be seen however in 5d, as 5d can detect what 4d does....).
Tricky.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-01-10 at 17:59:33
Here is a little heads-up for people who believe in predestination and fate... (I'm not the one who thought of this idea, but it is still pretty good...)
Ok.. If you think you believe in predestination, then that means that you think god made you do and act a some way that the results remain the same, right?
If god made you a good guy, then you are most likely to end up in heaven and enjoy afterlife, right?
Then tell me this: what about the bad guys? If god made them so bad, why are they getting punished by being bad? It is not their fault to be bad, and they are being tortured in hell as some other "gifted" people are enjoying their life in heaven. It is god's fault of choosing them.
My question to you is.. Why are these poor souls getting punished, when all they did was what god told them to do?
Ok.. If you think you believe in predestination, then that means that you think god made you do and act a some way that the results remain the same, right?
If god made you a good guy, then you are most likely to end up in heaven and enjoy afterlife, right?
Then tell me this: what about the bad guys? If god made them so bad, why are they getting punished by being bad? It is not their fault to be bad, and they are being tortured in hell as some other "gifted" people are enjoying their life in heaven. It is god's fault of choosing them.
My question to you is.. Why are these poor souls getting punished, when all they did was what god told them to do?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-01-13 at 00:23:50
QUOTE(Red2Blue @ Jan 10 2006, 02:31 AM)
Lets think of it this way: Mathematically and Scientifically.
1d: the detection of a point within a given space in the x axis.
2d: the detection between two different points to create one plane in the x and y axis.
3d: the detection between 3 different points to create a 3dimensional shape in xyz.
4d: the detection of the movements of 3dimensional shapes within any given time.
Seeing 4d, we can definitely see that fate does exist. Everything that happens will happen accordingly. Every 3dimensional object will interact in some way in every time and moment. We essentially exist within the plot of the 4d graph. Think of it as our entire lives grafted within this graph as our fate. We can't change it.
Now, you are talking about something different. Going back into the past is inevitablly impossible to do so if you only exist in the 3d. Think of it as this: you simply cannot go beyond your current dimension. So things that are in 1d cannot see or interact with things in the 2d and 2d cannot interact with 3d and so on. However. Theres a loophole in the system esp in the 3d->4d. You are talking about time travel. 4d works on things moving at certain rates and speeds. If you are able to excape the speed that 4d can contain, you can potentially jump 3d matter onto 4d time via. travel beyond the speed of light (which is supposedly the speed that 4d works).
Summing it all up:
It means that there is no way to change fate, fate is there because its predetermined by 4d, yet if you were able to exceed the 4d's parameters you can potentially change fate within 3d terms (this change of fate would be seen however in 5d, as 5d can detect what 4d does....).
Tricky.
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1d: the detection of a point within a given space in the x axis.
2d: the detection between two different points to create one plane in the x and y axis.
3d: the detection between 3 different points to create a 3dimensional shape in xyz.
4d: the detection of the movements of 3dimensional shapes within any given time.
Seeing 4d, we can definitely see that fate does exist. Everything that happens will happen accordingly. Every 3dimensional object will interact in some way in every time and moment. We essentially exist within the plot of the 4d graph. Think of it as our entire lives grafted within this graph as our fate. We can't change it.
Now, you are talking about something different. Going back into the past is inevitablly impossible to do so if you only exist in the 3d. Think of it as this: you simply cannot go beyond your current dimension. So things that are in 1d cannot see or interact with things in the 2d and 2d cannot interact with 3d and so on. However. Theres a loophole in the system esp in the 3d->4d. You are talking about time travel. 4d works on things moving at certain rates and speeds. If you are able to excape the speed that 4d can contain, you can potentially jump 3d matter onto 4d time via. travel beyond the speed of light (which is supposedly the speed that 4d works).
Summing it all up:
It means that there is no way to change fate, fate is there because its predetermined by 4d, yet if you were able to exceed the 4d's parameters you can potentially change fate within 3d terms (this change of fate would be seen however in 5d, as 5d can detect what 4d does....).
Tricky.
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Red2Blue, I am so sorry that is more than an incorrect evalution of how things happen. at first, you stated that 4th dimension is time, which isn't correct. Ill later post another thread about 4th dimension, but ill say to you that your evaluation is off... Also, your evaluation of time travel is also impossible. until we get a better med tech that can make humans live although their body parts are seperated into atoms and rematerialize in a new time is not possible. IT is like how 2nd dimension cannot exist in 3rd dimension. it is all guesses.
so summing it up, your "tricky" fate definition is incorrect
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-01-13 at 00:37:24
did uh... did you just double post?
anyway isnt the 4th dimension contraversial? some people thinks its time and some people think it goes along another axis or something.
anyway isnt the 4th dimension contraversial? some people thinks its time and some people think it goes along another axis or something.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-01-13 at 02:07:21
QUOTE(procuress @ Jan 10 2006, 05:59 PM)
Here is a little heads-up for people who believe in predestination and fate... (I'm not the one who thought of this idea, but it is still pretty good...)
Ok.. If you think you believe in predestination, then that means that you think god made you do and act a some way that the results remain the same, right?
If god made you a good guy, then you are most likely to end up in heaven and enjoy afterlife, right?
Then tell me this: what about the bad guys? If god made them so bad, why are they getting punished by being bad? It is not their fault to be bad, and they are being tortured in hell as some other "gifted" people are enjoying their life in heaven. It is god's fault of choosing them.
My question to you is.. Why are these poor souls getting punished, when all they did was what god told them to do?
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Ok.. If you think you believe in predestination, then that means that you think god made you do and act a some way that the results remain the same, right?
If god made you a good guy, then you are most likely to end up in heaven and enjoy afterlife, right?
Then tell me this: what about the bad guys? If god made them so bad, why are they getting punished by being bad? It is not their fault to be bad, and they are being tortured in hell as some other "gifted" people are enjoying their life in heaven. It is god's fault of choosing them.
My question to you is.. Why are these poor souls getting punished, when all they did was what god told them to do?
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Good is a human opinion. I don't believe God has opinions. Even if God has opinions, they would NOT be as primitive as the vain, stupid things we worry about. I also don't believe in heaven or hell. Things exist so they can carry out their purpose in the world. Think of it this way, were it not for Hitler (who most agree was a bad person), then a lot of the things that are good about today wouldn't necessarily be there. If WW2 never happened, then the USA wouldn't be the power it is now. "Bad" people and bad things happen for reasons we aren't supposed to understand.
You could say it's tragic that a forest was burned down, but the burning process fertilizes the soil and allows life to flourish even more in a few decades. Some would say the fires are bad, others would say they're good, but they're neither. They just exist, and the judgement of humans is what creates these values.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-01-13 at 22:58:41
QUOTE(Doodan @ Jan 13 2006, 02:07 AM)
Good is a human opinion. I don't believe God has opinions. Even if God has opinions, they would NOT be as primitive as the vain, stupid things we worry about. I also don't believe in heaven or hell. Things exist so they can carry out their purpose in the world. Think of it this way, were it not for Hitler (who most agree was a bad person), then a lot of the things that are good about today wouldn't necessarily be there. If WW2 never happened, then the USA wouldn't be the power it is now. "Bad" people and bad things happen for reasons we aren't supposed to understand.
You could say it's tragic that a forest was burned down, but the burning process fertilizes the soil and allows life to flourish even more in a few decades. Some would say the fires are bad, others would say they're good, but they're neither. They just exist, and the judgement of humans is what creates these values.
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You could say it's tragic that a forest was burned down, but the burning process fertilizes the soil and allows life to flourish even more in a few decades. Some would say the fires are bad, others would say they're good, but they're neither. They just exist, and the judgement of humans is what creates these values.
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You didnt get my point doodan. If god places fate and predestination, then we are bounded to head where we were assigned, right? Then if he thinks that I am bad, then he would destine me to do bad things so i could ho to hell. My question was that why are these poor souls suffering if there is predestination? About your opinion about god, I don't have any valid explanation, but i need a proof this just isn't your opinion.
Also about your comparison between forest fires, I personally think it is not a valid comparison. How is forest fire the same as human judgement? Doesnt it mean that humans just exist? how can the last statement about humans creating values be justified? that came out of a thin air. I dont know what happened with the double post.. it really isnt double post. It was supposed to say ADDITION after the first part... But i put it on around the time of SEN freeze, and couldn't do anything... just another error...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-01-14 at 00:03:00
well this is my theory i posted it before but i will post it again in more detail.....
i believe that there are infinite number of alternate dimensions.... this coincides with a time line. so lets say every choice you make is another dimension here is a visual guide:
YOU-------------CHOICE...............
YOU-------------CHOICE=======
as you can see the 2 time lines are the same untill you made a choice. now you are capable of making your own choices.... this is where it gets complicated.... now lets think of this as you splitting up into a billion of other yous here is a visual guide:
YOU----CHOICE 1----CHOICE 2----CHOICE 3-----Present
YOU----CHOICE 1----CHOICE 2----CHOICE 3+++
YOU----CHOICE 1----CHOICE 2......
YOU----CHOICE 1===
so basically every time you make a choice it splits from the identical time line but that split already existed..... its all predestined but you are not bound by fate so its kinna like having fate but at the same time not having it.
i may be crazy....
i believe that there are infinite number of alternate dimensions.... this coincides with a time line. so lets say every choice you make is another dimension here is a visual guide:
YOU-------------CHOICE...............
YOU-------------CHOICE=======
as you can see the 2 time lines are the same untill you made a choice. now you are capable of making your own choices.... this is where it gets complicated.... now lets think of this as you splitting up into a billion of other yous here is a visual guide:
YOU----CHOICE 1----CHOICE 2----CHOICE 3-----Present
YOU----CHOICE 1----CHOICE 2----CHOICE 3+++
YOU----CHOICE 1----CHOICE 2......
YOU----CHOICE 1===
so basically every time you make a choice it splits from the identical time line but that split already existed..... its all predestined but you are not bound by fate so its kinna like having fate but at the same time not having it.
i may be crazy....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-14 at 00:14:29
this is the exact same question as:
what came first, the chicken or the egg?
they are both the same as in, they cant be answered...
but this is more of "your opinion" thing, if you believe in it or you dont, your not wrong.
what came first, the chicken or the egg?
they are both the same as in, they cant be answered...
but this is more of "your opinion" thing, if you believe in it or you dont, your not wrong.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Camo on 2006-01-14 at 00:37:19
So what you're trying to tell me is that when someone masturbates there was a reason behind it? Jesus christ, I thought it was just for fun!
j/k
Anyway, meh I could care less what really happens in my life that turns into reason.
j/k
Anyway, meh I could care less what really happens in my life that turns into reason.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-14 at 03:23:09
QUOTE(procuress @ Jan 13 2006, 08:58 PM)
Then if he thinks that I am bad, then he would destine me to do bad things so i could ho to hell.
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Why are you blowing it out of proportion?
God doesn't think ANYONE is bad. People make the wrong choices, and SOCIETY deems them bad. They may break the rules God has made, but in his eyes, no one is bad.
If you make good choices, you will have a positive fate.
If you make bad choices, you will have a negative fate.
Can you not comprehend, that your fate is predestined due to the choices you make?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-01-16 at 15:07:26
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jan 14 2006, 03:23 AM)
Why are you blowing it out of proportion?
God doesn't think ANYONE is bad. People make the wrong choices, and SOCIETY deems them bad. They may break the rules God has made, but in his eyes, no one is bad.
If you make good choices, you will have a positive fate.
If you make bad choices, you will have a negative fate.
Can you not comprehend, that your fate is predestined due to the choices you make?
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God doesn't think ANYONE is bad. People make the wrong choices, and SOCIETY deems them bad. They may break the rules God has made, but in his eyes, no one is bad.
If you make good choices, you will have a positive fate.
If you make bad choices, you will have a negative fate.
Can you not comprehend, that your fate is predestined due to the choices you make?
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You didn't get what i was saying at my statement back up there. I clearly said that for people who believe in fate. I said that if god predestined us to do something, then we do it, right? if we do something bad, god told us to do it. If so, god is punishing the innocent. For example, Hitler's crimes wouldn't be bad since God predestined him to do so. But.. I get what you are trying to say Kellimus...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-17 at 04:29:13
I believe in fate. I was just trying to explain it in more detail (Since i've been known to suck ass in that department) for the ignorant.
I believe my fate to be a good one, even though I have made bad choices.
The people behind these usernames are human.
Humans make mistakes.
I believe my fate to be a good one, even though I have made bad choices.
The people behind these usernames are human.
Humans make mistakes.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-01-17 at 22:22:03
So Kellimus, do you think that when humans make mistakes, it is their predestination to make mistakes? I was just confused...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Detestable_Evil on 2006-01-24 at 22:55:01
There's something I wonder. (If someone already said this then please tell me.)
If everything in life has a purpose behind it... then what is at the beginning of existance?
(Sorry about that. Mix up.)
If everything in life has a purpose behind it... then what is at the beginning of existance?
(Sorry about that. Mix up.)