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"Everything happens because there is a reason behind it..."

It is a very common cliche. In fact, I cannot go through a day without hearing this lame phrase at least once from some idiot passing by in a hallway
or something. I hear it too many and wish to have a discussion on the idea fate itself.

Ironically, many people here believe in fate. As of my cousin who deeply believes in fate, says, he has some religion behind it and if God intended to do this, then this is fate. Although it maybe be very biased in favor of religion, but I personally think that THERE ARE NO SUCH THING AS FATE

Look at everything. People like me believes strongly that there are no such thing as fate. For certain reasons, maybe because I am such a religion hater, I really don't believe in fate. Do you think that the terror of September 11th happened for a reason? Do you think your dog "fluffy" died for a reason (no offense intended towards fluffy)? I don't think so. They are just how the events turn out to be. Based on luck, not fate.

I hope to see good debate going on here.... and no flaming please...

Fate isn't always related to whether or not a person is religious. In fact, the opposite is true.

I believe in fate to an extent. My way of understanding this is you can't change the past, you can't change the present. The future is already set. Live the way it's suppose to be.

More detail: http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=17703&hl=
^My philosphoy. Probably changed since then, but it's good.

I don't believe in 'fate' or 'destiny', I believe that a leaf falling in Russia can create a Hurricane in New York (or something like that). I believe everything is connected, though this is impossible or next to impossible to prove.

That's the Butterfly Effect.

I, however, DO believe in fate. If you watch a movie, you watch it knowing that everything has been thought of and the character's fate is already decided, although YOU don't know their fate and the characters don't know either. I think of God as a writer. The unexpected twists and turns in life are pre-written, and it is only the people who live the story that don't know what will happen next. I don't have a problem with it either. I just like to enjoy the ride while I'm on it and try to figure out my "character arcs".

I do not believe in fate, but fate isn't always "Everything happens for a reason."

It is true however theres a reason for everything (and I am not including human actions) I'm speaking of how the universe works. The forces at work (strong, weak, gravity, static electricity.)

Originally this is what I thought you meant upon entering this thread.
Personally I believe we forge our own paths in the universe. I believe the reason for life is for each and everyone one of us to leave our mark on this world and be remembered. Not to please some God who does nothing for us as a society.

Harmony from chaos.

Many random events make 1 purposeful life. Everything doesnt happen for a reason, there is a reason for everything.

Most of the time we invent a reason for it to have happened?

newtons law of relativity:

For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction...

To paraphrase an old quote, "it's not the destination that matters, but the journey." There is no true luck in the world (under the exact same circumstances, the exact same action would occur), nor do I believe in fate. Nothing guides me to scratch my nose right now, or type these very words. My path is my own to forge. What actually occurs is a combination of conditions and what free choice allows to occur.

i'm determinist - i believe (almost to the letter!) exactly what cheeze believes.

You stole my words.



Why did you have to bring God into this? *Sighs*

I believe that what happens to you has already been "Pre-destined". You can change your choices, and think you're changing your life, when in all reality they have already been planned out, too.

This is my opinion. There is no right or wrong. So don't flame.

if god is a writer then i must be what we would call the main character of a "sad story"

The world is full of sadness man. Everyone's life is sad.

That's part of human existance.

i was mearly pointing out that if god was really a writer and writing our stories that it wouldnt be sad

Join the club.


Not necessarily. I'm often very cruel to my characters in stories (and sometimes I feel guilt about it, is that normal?). If God is a writer, then he would be the best, hands down, at creating an INTERESTING story. A story where everything is happy and everyone has no problems is BORING. A story isn't good unless the characters have obstacles to overcome. Most wishful human writers make it so that the characters ALWAYS overcome their problems, but that isn't realistic. You are in true peril in your own life story. Keep in mind, tragedies make for great stories as well (Romeo & Juliet, or the Godfather movies).

Ah, but those glum stories are spectacular indeed. How I would like to have my life be as exciting as those, instead of the dismal existence I lead right now.

We base all of our desisions from our previous experiences, along with what is going on in the current situation and how we are feeling at that moment. Basically our actions could be predictable. But it would be quite hard to predict them. Basically to find what the future will bring, yo would need to know the pasts of everyone, and the interactions between the people and others pasts. You get a rather confusing web of thoughts. Eventually we will be able to do this, and we will be able to determine any action anyone will make based upon the situation at hand.
You could say that our own free will and randomness could alter this sort of thing. But if you think about it, we are not very random. (7 happens to be the most widely chosen "random number" when people are asked to pick a random number from 1-10.)

That doesn't have anything to do with fate. It's wether you choose to do this to make a reaction.

I do not belive in fate, it's just something to prove that we have control over future though we don't know what's going to happen.

I believe in fate, but only in the fact that "Everything Happens", not "Everything Happens For A Reason".

Sept. 11th was, I believe, a pre-determined event. Though it seems, as far as I can see, that it happened for no real reason.

This supports my belief in the "God is a writer" idea. The characters in a story don't always understand why things happen to them, but they are necessary for the events to come.

Fate is interpretted. We can't really say it exists or it does not. This is mainly because we can't say that religion is true or false. Fate exists to a person who believes in it, simple as that. It does not if we don't. As said before, some people believe in luck. Can't you easily say luck isn't real? Can't a person say it was fate for somebody to win the lottery? It's all based off interpretation.

lol shut up XD

anyway i believe that time already has a pre-determined line

but i also believe that our choices is that of our own

So do I, we probably believe it for similar reasons too.