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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Detestable_Evil on 2006-01-24 at 22:34:16
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
I can't help (I didn't try it yet but I read you need to live in the U.S. to sign it out properly.)

Anyways, what's wrong with homosexual people?
Hating them is much like being racist.
You don't get to choose your race or you sexuality.
(If you didn't know... now you do!)

Also, I don't see any reasonable answer to not having it. My class had a argument about it and they didn't seem to make much sense (Idiots for classmates (Some)).

If you wanna say religion, then I have one thing to say...

"I'm certain that every single holy bible will promote the viewing of half-naked women on televison. *cough* MTV *cough* muchmusic *cough* channel 18 *cough* perverts *cough*
I think I'm dying. smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shadow-Killa_04 on 2006-01-25 at 02:43:42
I don't see what peoples problems are with gays and all. Sure, the fact that they like the same sex is kind of strange but that doesn't mean they need to be all of a sudden on america's top 5 list for things we have to change to the constitution just because we have a lot of racists. Technicaly that'd be the wrong word, but you get the idea and I don't know the correct one.

Most of this has to do with how you define marriage. A strange fact is that some dudes figured out that animals can be gay. I don't know how that'd play a role in all of this but I guess you could say that its completely natural potencialy.

Some say this is going against relidgon. Politics and Relidgon are completely different subjects and should not be intertwined most of time. Besides, many christian countries such as spain, france and some others I haven't heard probably have completely (more or less) legalized gay marriage. If their christians/catholics/whatever have no problem with it, what do ours have with it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2006-01-25 at 16:24:32
QUOTE(procuress @ Jan 17 2006, 10:59 PM)
Exactly my point...Who are we to deny their rights to love?
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They can still love outside marrige...

QUOTE(Euro @ Jan 18 2006, 07:42 PM)
Uh dead, show me concrete proof that they can't love eachother. Love to you is different for everyone, so don't say its impossible. Also, BEER they have actually been studying whether you are born gay or not... they say they have found some chromesome that may decide whether you are or not.
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Being gay is not set into your genes. My cousin (girl) went from straight to gay to straight to gay to straight again.


QUOTE(Euro @ Jan 19 2006, 01:48 AM)
Please do not call me kid, your just a year older.

Anti-Flag is a good band. Every song means something. Everything in their songs is true or cannot be proven false. Welcome to 1984 is a good song. Leftover crack, I have like one song from them.
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I like the way Welcome to 1984 sounds, the music and how it's played. Don't necessarily agree with the lyrics, but it's still a fun song.

My only real problemt with gay marrige is that they want EXTRA rights, a lot like black people want special treatment. If they wanted to be equal, I'd be perfectly fine with it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-01-25 at 22:03:02
QUOTE(BeeR_KeG @ Jan 18 2006, 01:05 AM)
People promote gay marriege for all the wrong reasons.

A lot of people would think that it's their lives, let them do what they want. If the previous statement was true, I could do whatever the hell I wanted and if somebody said something, I'd say it's my life and you can't do anythign about it.

You can't counter my statement with "It's against the law" because the Constitution states that only two people of the opposite sex can be married, legally, it is illegal for people of the same sex to marry.


legally your correct and bush being the rasist-sexist basturd he is decided not to listen to them, just because some1 is gay doesnt mean that they are gonna try and hit on you. actually there are some really nice gay ppl out there. trust me when i said im not gay, but i dont have a problem with 2 gays getting married, as long as im not invited. ermm.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-01-26 at 07:02:01
QUOTE(Titan @ Jan 23 2006, 02:18 AM)
procuress, this has nothing to do with falling in love. This is the law. Changing the meaning of marriage, the definition meaning the union of a man and a woman, to create equal rights, in my opinion, is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Yeah, lots of people make gay jokes and it may seem unfair to gay people that they can not wed, but at the same time it's creating a new definition to something that need-not be tampered with.
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Titan, did you read my previous posts before this one? I said that against what DEAD said. DEAD said that gay people cant fall in love, which is a complete cursing.gif and some more cursing.gif . And I think it is about love. if people can fall in love with their own sex, I think they should be allowed to marry.
QUOTE(Kow)
They can still love outside marrige...

Yes kow, they can marry outside the marriage. But marriage is the final step to love. Think! We are denying them to reach the final step. What is wrong with that? where does in Bible does it say that gay people is not supposed to marry? It is scientifically proven that gay people can love. If that is true, then they can marry too, just like heterosexuals, which happens to be the majority. I mean still 10% is homosexual and denying their rights to marry is like denying the rights to love for all Asians in US.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-01-26 at 12:28:32
QUOTE(Kow @ Jan 25 2006, 04:24 PM)
My only real problemt with gay marrige is that they want EXTRA rights, a lot like black people want special treatment. If they wanted to be equal, I'd be perfectly fine with it.
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QUOTE(procuress @ Jan 26 2006, 07:02 AM)

Yes kow, they can marry outside the marriage. But marriage is the final step to love. Think! We are denying them to reach the final step. What is wrong with that?

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I agree with procuress here. Gay people have every right to be just as miserable as straight people. Let em get married, lol.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-01-26 at 21:09:39
Well if you let gay people marry then that will open the doors to all other wierd marriage cases, like 3 person marriages or human dog marriages etc. (yes there are really farked up people in this world)

/sarcasm

MA edit: took out unecessary remark
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tmac on 2006-01-26 at 21:36:19
I won't sign this with my real name because if I ever run for office of some sort, not saying I will or want to, someone will find this and say OMFG HES GAY! And I will lose all my votes.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-01-26 at 21:45:01
QUOTE(Doodan @ Jan 26 2006, 12:28 PM)
I agree with procuress here. Gay people have every right to be just as miserable as straight people. Let em get married, lol.
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I dont think all married people have miserable lives. For example, many of your parents and grand parents didn't have miserable life. They want it, alright? They want to get married. Why won't we let them? is it because marriage is influenced by religious leaders? lobbyists? Doodan? Kow? I don't think so. Marriage is too vague of a term and shall be defined better. For example, we can let gay people marry each other. I dont see the wrong in that.
QUOTE(TheDaddy04_20)
Well if you let gay people marry then that will open the doors to all other wierd marriage cases, like 3 person marriages or human dog marriages etc. (yes there are really farked up people in this world)

/sarcasm

I just lost all my due respect in you, TheDaddy, STARS-Chris. I can't believe you said that... When did people ever wanted to marry as three? I never ever heard that one before, or animal-human marriage. But what im saying is lets not focus on this extremely minority occasional exceptions, but to forcus on the big group like homosexuals. i dont see why we should ignore their rights to marriage.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-01-26 at 21:49:21
QUOTE(procuress @ Jan 26 2006, 09:45 PM)
I dont think all married people have miserable lives. For example, many of your parents and grand parents didn't have miserable life. They want it, alright? They want to get married. Why won't we let them? is it because marriage is influenced by religious leaders? lobbyists? Doodan? Kow? I don't think so. Marriage is too vague of a term and shall be defined better. For example, we can let gay people marry each other. I dont see the wrong in that.
QUOTE(TheDaddy04_20)
Well if you let gay people marry then that will open the doors to all other wierd marriage cases, like 3 person marriages or human dog marriages etc. (yes there are really farked up people in this world)

/sarcasm

I just lost all my due respect in you, TheDaddy, STARS-Chris. I can't believe you said that... When did people ever wanted to marry as three? I never ever heard that one before, or animal-human marriage. But what im saying is lets not focus on this extremely minority occasional exceptions, but to forcus on the big group like homosexuals. i dont see why we should ignore their rights to marriage.

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My line was a bit of a joke actually. My parents were quite happily married.

TheDaddy isn't wrong about all of the weird marriage cases, as there are many weirdos out there. Just wait until you get into college, procuress. You'll meet many a folk with many a strange taste. Well... you could probably meet them right now if you looked.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-01-27 at 01:52:55
QUOTE(procuress @ Jan 26 2006, 06:45 PM)
I dont think all married people have miserable lives. For example, many of your parents and grand parents didn't have miserable life. They want it, alright? They want to get married. Why won't we let them? is it because marriage is influenced by religious leaders? lobbyists? Doodan? Kow? I don't think so. Marriage is too vague of a term and shall be defined better. For example, we can let gay people marry each other. I dont see the wrong in that.
QUOTE(TheDaddy04_20)
Well if you let gay people marry then that will open the doors to all other wierd marriage cases, like 3 person marriages or human dog marriages etc. (yes there are really farked up people in this world)

/sarcasm

I just lost all my due respect in you, TheDaddy, STARS-Chris. I can't believe you said that... When did people ever wanted to marry as three? I never ever heard that one before, or animal-human marriage. But what im saying is lets not focus on this extremely minority occasional exceptions, but to forcus on the big group like homosexuals. i dont see why we should ignore their rights to marriage.

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Read an earlier post of mine buddy, I already stated I could care less if they get married or not. Its called adding in truthful thoughts in an effort to expand a disscussion.

And techniqually I don't think a homosexual couple have the rights to marry each other. But they do have the rights to marry the opposite sex. Correct me if Im wrong there.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-01-27 at 06:44:35
Correct you? Well first of all, I think your opinions were just off topic ideas that may have angered many people.

Think, TheDaddy04 20, There are many many homosexuals out there that can't change who they love. It is quite like regular people (heterosexuals) trying to love the same sex, which obviously wouldn't work. So then homosexuals can't change who they love, who are we to say they can't marry?

I mean I still don't see how that is going to harm you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by nimadude on 2006-01-27 at 17:55:34
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jan 17 2006, 01:34 PM)
Exactly.

Religious bias should not interfere with America's constitution.  They weren't supposed to go together anyways.
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This isnt purely about religion. Think about the children that get adopted by gay couples, it just wrong. It will ruin their lives.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-01-27 at 17:56:57
Elaborate?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by nimadude on 2006-01-27 at 18:07:46
QUOTE(Arbitrary @ Jan 27 2006, 02:56 PM)
Elaborate?
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well growing up without a mother? wtf..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-01-27 at 18:16:13
Plenty of people grew/grow up with only a father.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by nimadude on 2006-01-27 at 18:30:47
QUOTE(Arbitrary @ Jan 27 2006, 03:16 PM)
Plenty of people grew/grow up with only a father.
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This is preventable however.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-01-27 at 18:31:09
You're hopeless.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-27 at 18:53:13
nimadude. With your logic, you are saying that because children get adopted by homosexuals, that they will be screwed up forever, because they have no mother there?

Hmm... That's funny.. I know many people who have no mother, or no father, and they are perfectly fine.

Your opinions aren't shiz in this discussion, so leave them out.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by nimadude on 2006-01-27 at 23:32:48
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jan 27 2006, 03:53 PM)
nimadude.  With your logic, you are saying that because children get adopted by homosexuals, that they will be screwed up forever, because they have no mother there?

Hmm...  That's funny..  I know many people who have no mother, or no father, and they are perfectly fine.

Your opinions aren't shiz in this discussion, so leave them out.
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When did I say theyre screwed up forever? They just wont have as good of a life as a normal person with both genders as their parents. Why let this happen when it can simply be prevented?

EDIT: By "ruin their lives" I meant it as in compared with others. And by the way, conditions aside, people would make fun of them, they would never be able to have friends find out about it, especially in modern teenage society, where gays are totally frowned upon.

ADDITION:
QUOTE(Arbitrary @ Jan 27 2006, 03:31 PM)
You're hopeless.
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We'll see you placed in someones shoes where their whole life would be based on deception. You would find it hard to tell others that you were brought on by a gay couple. You will grow coureosity about what it feels like to have a mother.

Before long you would grow to rebel against society, thus involving yourself in bad things (eg drugs etc). People who feel different from society do that, and they form groups to support each other (eg gang), to feel a sense of belonging. It would sub-conciously ruin your life.

Im not going against gay people, it is a deformity in the development of the brain and puberty. However, it should not spread its sadness onto others (Ie, children).

When a simple rule can prevent the matter, it is a good option. Put the two arguments side to side. A gay couple WANTS to have a baby. A child never had the CHOICE to have what naturally is a NEED. He is raised in a minority of society, it is unfair to the child.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-01-28 at 00:03:19
QUOTE(nimadude @ Jan 27 2006, 11:32 PM)
ADDITION:
We'll see you placed in someones shoes where their whole life would be based on deception. You would find it hard to tell others  that you were brought on by a gay couple. You will grow coureosity about what it feels like to have a mother.

Before long you would grow to rebel against society, thus involving yourself in bad things (eg drugs etc). People who feel different from society do that, and they form groups to support each other (eg gang), to feel a sense of belonging. It would sub-conciously ruin your life.

Im not going against gay people, it is a deformity in the development of the brain and puberty. However, it should not spread its sadness onto others (Ie, children).

When a simple rule can prevent the matter, it is a good option. Put the two arguments side to side. A gay couple WANTS to have a baby. A child never had the CHOICE to have what naturally is a NEED. He is raised in a minority of society, it is unfair to the child.
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Well hey, that's great and all, but you're ignoring the part about where you were indoctrinated into believing that there's some inherent ideal for offspring.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by nimadude on 2006-01-28 at 02:52:03
QUOTE(Arbitrary @ Jan 27 2006, 09:03 PM)
Well hey, that's great and all, but you're ignoring the part about where you were indoctrinated into believing that there's some inherent ideal for offspring.
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No offspring, i dont care what they do with each other (the gays)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-01-28 at 08:11:06
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Well if you let gay people marry then that will open the doors to all other wierd marriage cases, like 3 person marriages or human dog marriages etc. (yes there are really farked up people in this world)

/sarcasm

I did actually hear of a dude who wanted to get married to two different ladies awile back. He said he had as much right as a gay person.



I think that there is a reason the second human God created was a female. For thousands of years we have had no real gays. Suddenly, hundreds of people are gay or lesbian? Any one else think that its just a result of stupid liberalism(im not gonna spell check that)?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Detestable_Evil on 2006-01-28 at 12:59:53
Being gay is not set into your genes. My cousin (girl) went from straight to gay to straight to gay to straight again.

Maybe she's bisexual?

Definition of bisexual.

(Sorta off topic.)

I had once heard this story from one of my teachers.
One of her friends went into a gay bar (He was homofobic.) to check the people out. He said then this guy was hitting on him!
Well duh! You're in a gay bar!
(As in, you're in a bar for homosexuals, not using it as a insulting term.)

(Did I say everything right?)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-01-28 at 13:13:44
QUOTE(Detestable_Evil @ Jan 28 2006, 12:59 PM)
Being gay is not set into your genes. My cousin (girl) went from straight to gay to straight to gay to straight again.

One example does not prove a rule. And girls can be something of a different case entirely, in their behavior.
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