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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2006-02-13 at 08:01:26
You can't force the whole world into Anarchy!!
You'd be lucky to get a single country to do it, and then, without and army, other countries simply plow right through you and take your land/resources.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-02-13 at 08:03:48
In a world where everyone is "near-perfect" (As close as humanly possible) there wouldn't be any wars or any theft or any countries attacking/stealing from eachother..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2006-02-13 at 08:04:13
Good luck with that, eh?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-02-13 at 08:04:55
???

What is your problem?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2006-02-13 at 08:06:16
People AREN'T perfect, which is WHY we have laws.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-02-13 at 08:09:46
I didn't say perfect. Which is why I would appreciate it if you read my post more carefully before bashing it.

ADDITION:
By the way, I can see that the"laws" are doing a lot of good. The world is practically crime-free and noone is killing eachother. (Sarcasm)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2006-02-13 at 08:11:02
Near-Perfect is still a longshot. People are naturally greedy, which, in turn, can lead to crimes.

ADDITION:
Not to mention naturally violent. We use to be predators in the wild, you know.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-02-13 at 08:12:55
We arn't isolated cave-men who must murder creatures in order to survive anymore.

We are civilized. Which was a long shot from cave-men

And the next step is to eliminate greed. Once that is done true Anarchy can work perfectly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2006-02-13 at 08:17:39
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We are civilized. Which was a long shot from cave-men

Civilized doesn't count for much. There's still rape, murder, robberies. Some people in the midst of things will do anything to get what they want, no matter what it means doing. You can't possibly expect to weed out evil from the world.

ADDITION:
Eniterely, that is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-02-13 at 08:30:22
We went from primitive cave-men with everything clubbing eachother over and heads and stuff SEMI civilized SEMI organized people

The next step is to eliminate greed

Which is when Anarchy can function properly
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-13 at 09:39:53
QUOTE(Azu @ Feb 13 2006, 08:30 AM)
We went from primitive cave-men with everything clubbing eachother over and heads and stuff SEMI civilized SEMI organized people

The next step is to eliminate greed

Which is when Anarchy can function properly
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Greed will not stop. It is a fundamental part of human nature.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-02-13 at 09:55:55
Man, I'm late.


@Euro three pages back.


Read my post again, I didn't say I know what it means =\
Thx?

And I don't know you're talking about, Anarchy is freedom, that doesn't make it good. Do you know what freedom is? BEING ABLE TO KILL PEOPLE, AND STEAL WITHOUT PUNISHMENT!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-13 at 10:32:15

Anarchy is chaos. While I do enjoy chaos, as a form of government it would grow tiring.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-02-13 at 11:17:05
Sure, you love chaos, or so you say. If you actually lived in chaos, or experienced it, maybe you'd think a little differently about it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-02-13 at 12:56:00
PLEASE READ MY POSTS BEFORE ASS U ME ING THINGS


ANARCHY WOULD ONLY BE CHAOS IF IT WAS FILLD WITH A BUNCH OF WAR MONGERS WHO WANTED TO KILL EACHOTHER
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-02-13 at 13:17:31
WHICH IS THE PRESENT WORLD NOW, BECAUSE GREED IS SUCH A HARD THING TO OVERCOME!
THANK YOU!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-02-13 at 14:29:42
Ok dorkhawk, demaris, you both have absolutely no clue as to what anarchy is. As Ting of the past said, its a world without rulers, not without rules. You all watch too much news and TV to know that Anarchy in no shape or form, means chaos. Demaris especially. Anarchy = no government, no rulers. It does not however mean chaos or barbarism. What we have now is barbarism. Soldiers aged 17-25 dying because some 50 year old douchebag got pissed off at someone. BTW what thing of the past said, is his own thoughts. but Everything you guys have said, I believe has been said in nearly exact wording or in one form or another before. So whose not thinking for themselves.

you guys and the governments new slogan: Conform or Die!
"The opposite of Bravery is not cowardice, but conformity."

Demaris.. using "big words" does not make you look smart. I believe every single person on sen could if they felt like it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-02-13 at 14:51:04
well anarchy is without rulers. no rulers mean no one to enforce the rules. when you think about it you cannot have a pure anarchy. people have the need to follow. i do not think that anarchy would be good because the people would just set up another government.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-02-13 at 14:52:53
Maybe I should rephrase what I mean.
No large country would survive with no government, or anarchy, because it will lead to chaos.

And just for the record, there is more reason to the war we're having right now, than some douchebag getting angry.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-02-13 at 15:05:12
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Uh jet blast the no speak part was directed at you mainly. Don't call me a kiddie as I am quite older then you.

Does anyone smell a hypocrite in here?
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Anarchism sees to create a society in which individuals can live independently from government and all top-down structures. We believe in mutual aid and cooperation. Anarchists believe in anti-authoritarian decision making, such as direct democracy.

Anarchists this, anarchists that. Not everyone thinks like an anarchist, anarchy in America would be chaos and you have no way to deny it. Do you think that the mafia
believes in mutual aid and cooperation?
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Many anarchists believe that such behavior indicates that deep down inside we are all anarchists. Our behavior is so naturally anarchistic, that we don't even realize it.

Yes, you're right, wild animals have no government and they are obviously much more successful than we are! We should all be like wild animals because it is "natural" and natural is obviously better than man-made.
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BTW, I can pretty much gaurentee(SP?) that I know more about history then you. I've majored in it, studied it in and out of school. (which would be high school, not the elementary you attend) There was not an anarchist state ever in the USA's history because the simple fact there was a government STILL leading. No matter how much power is given to the people/states.
You are very right, I shouldn't doubt you, I'm just a 2nd grader with a D- in my class. Your prodigious age and wisdom must prove that Anarchy is the best and that I'm am just a poor little kid with ADD who plays in the mud after school. You even gaurentee that the article you copy and pasted proves that you know more than I do about this topic. Your amazing high school education must rival that of rocket scientists. Wow this is not my territory, I should leave and get back to my 2nd grade homework. I'm sorry for offending you since you are right and no one can prove you wrong about anarchy because you major in history.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by scwizard on 2006-02-13 at 16:15:59
QUOTE(Loser_Musician @ Feb 9 2006, 02:03 PM)
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A grose over simplification which doesn't justify a response, but I'll give a bare bones one anyway.
Saying anarchy is a "govermental system" is even worse then saying communism is a govermental system.
Stupid person: "omg butt teh USSR waz communist rite?"
No it wasn't, it was a govermental system ruled by a small majority (the party leaders) who were appointed by each other. Therefore it was a oligarchy. The economic system they chose to had nothing to do with it.
The purpose of this tangent is to demonstrate how your opinion is more misguided then the hypothetical stupid person mentioned above.

Now that that tangent is over with, anarchy:
a. Isn't a govermental system.
b. Hasn't existed.

If the media tells you someplace is in anarchy, then they're misusing the term.
If the media tells you some place is an anarchy, then they're brainwashing you.

(I think this is the closest to a warn I've ever come).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-02-13 at 16:53:32
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well anarchy is without rulers. no rulers mean no one to enforce the rules. when you think about it you cannot have a pure anarchy. people have the need to follow. i do not think that anarchy would be good because the people would just set up another government.


No one said theres no one to enforce the rules. Having no government doesn't mean theres no rules.

BTW jet blast show me where rocket scientists state what you said... thats right, you can't. I also see no hypocrisy in that statement, now your trying to sound smart... its not working. Yes you are a kiddie compared to me. and bolding that word doesn't do anything, I stated I didn't know the spelling, notice the (SP?) at the end? I do know more about history, well mainly egyptian, American, and some european. Some greek battles as well. So your little "anarchy was in place right after the revolution" is complete and utter bullshiz. Sorry you got pissed because you were pwnt. I'll try not to put it so blunt next time and not make you cry.

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Anarchists this, anarchists that. Not everyone thinks like an anarchist, anarchy in America would be chaos and you have no way to deny it. Do you think that the mafia
believes in mutual aid and cooperation?

The desperation begins... Can you prove it? You say I can't deny it, but wheres the proof? Do you know for a fact the mafia doesn't believe in it?

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Yes, you're right, wild animals have no government and they are obviously much more successful than we are! We should all be like wild animals because it is "natural" and natural is obviously better than man-made.

Actually, natural is 100x better then something man-made. All you "god-believers..." say god made everything is perfect. Well nature is balanced. But guess who makes it unbalanced! I'll let you all figure that one out.

Maybe study up on your american revolution history and on what anarchism truly is and what it is not. That FAQ is an excellent read.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-13 at 17:08:10
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I hate it when people just quote others without having some coherent thoughts for themselves.

I'll make a more detailed post if you want it. I was rushed at that time.


You know you pwned yourself right there, don't you?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Aikanaro on 2006-02-13 at 17:27:36
QUOTE(Demaris @ Feb 13 2006, 09:39 AM)

Greed will not stop. It is a fundamental part of human nature.

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It is not actually. Greed is learned depending on your environment. Its where you were raised and where your education took place and what kind of education you got. We are not greedy by nature. That is a completely utter lie.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-02-13 at 17:34:53
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Actually, natural is 100x better then something man-made. All you "god-believers..." say god made everything is perfect. Well nature is balanced. But guess who makes it unbalanced! I'll let you all figure that one out.

let's say god doesn't exist and a meteor is speeding toward Earth at an incredible speed and is big enough to destroy all mankind. But anyways you're right, even in that situation it would be best if we sat down and did our natural things, solving problems is so overrated. Guess what, if nature was balanced then we wouldn't have exploited it in the first place because we are part of nature.
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The desperation begins... Can you prove it? You say I can't deny it, but wheres the proof? Do you know for a fact the mafia doesn't believe in it?

Yes you are pretty desperate to think that the Mafia is in some sort of conspiracy to overthrow our government and have us all become anarchists.
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Sorry you got pissed because you were pwnt. I'll try not to put it so blunt next time and not make you cry.

Crying? Laughing is more like it:

Er I know everything about anarchy because I have a high school education, which certainly means that no one else who has posted in this forum has anything higher than a high school education, I think it's such an accomplishment to get into high school so now I'm going to post in the Anarchy topic about it. Omg this noob is making fun of my high school education, now I'll say that I pwnt him and I think he will cry.
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BTW jet blast show me where rocket scientists state what you said... thats right, you can't. I also see no hypocrisy in that statement, now your trying to sound smart... its not working. Yes you are a kiddie compared to me. and bolding that word doesn't do anything, I stated I didn't know the spelling, notice the (SP?) at the end? I do know more about history, well mainly egyptian, American, and some european. Some greek battles as well.
Your first sentence was so idiotic that I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or not, so I wont explain. You are a hypocrite because your "kiddie" statement (which is getting a little stale now) was directed at those who thought that anarchy was not the best form of government, and for all you know they are older than you. Oh and I'm sorry that I assumed a high school student would be able to spell the word "guarantee" especially when I, a 2nd grader with ADD who plays in mud, could spell it correctly without thinking twice (and Adding (SP?) at the end doesn't make it correct). You think I'm trying to sound smart? You sound pretty hurt, I'll stop using the big words. By the way, I like how you included the greek battles comment at the end, it really drives your point into me like a big ball point pen. Knowing about greek battles surely makes anarchy the best form of government.



PS. I'm not a "god-believer", just to help you in future posts.
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