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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-02-09 at 13:03:18
It's cute and all to draw the Anarchy signs on your book bags and arms. But do people actually sit down and look at what it stands for?

The answer must be no, because anarchy can easily be listed as one of the worst government systems period.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-02-09 at 14:48:29
Agreed,( at least besides Dictatorships smile.gif), but I don't think they mean absense of any form of government, they mean chaos.

And if it means anything, I don't think it's cute to draw anarchy symbols on your bags, or on yourself -_-
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2006-02-09 at 16:01:46
You gotta admit, they have a cool symbol though tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2006-02-09 at 16:49:43
From the Corporations topic: (by me)
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You want Anarchy, do you? I find it hilarious how anybody could claim themselves and Anarchist. True Anarchy is hell. It's a free for all amongst groups of family and friends. Anarchy has happen in countries when the government has collapsed, but there is no driving force to pick up and start again.

Where do you get your food in Anarchy? All your life you've been buying it from a grocery store, which has been picked clean by looters.

Honestly, I'd like to see you establish anything during Anarachy. If you own a farm, it'll have been stripped clean by starving looters. If you have a stockpile of food, it'll run out. Anarchy is worse than Communism. In Anarchy, survival instincts take over and hospitality is scarcely found.

Is that the world you want to live in? A world of death and violence without foundation?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-02-09 at 16:50:08
You have just given me an idea. I will draw my own democracy symbol and make it cooler than the anarchy one! Then anarchists will be gone forever.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Shattered_moose on 2006-02-09 at 18:52:43
Anarchy would only work if people were perfect, and didn't need someone to tell them to do whats right. Of course, thats never going to happen, so its unfeasable.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-02-09 at 19:06:36
Anarchy, like communism, would definately not work in real life because of our corrupt human natures. To even consider whether anarchy could/should be a form of government for any society, you must achieve a utopia-like world.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2006-02-09 at 19:35:31
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Anarchy, like communism, would definately not work in real life because of our corrupt human natures. To even consider whether anarchy could/should be a form of government for any society, you must achieve a utopia-like world.
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Too bad it won't ever happen.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-02-09 at 20:45:04
I support it. But only in the west, as I think that people are either too religious or too pacifist to do anythnig really bad.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-02-09 at 21:16:38
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But only in the west, as I think that people are either too religious or too pacifist to do anythnig really bad.

That's the new quote of the month syphon.

But honestly, people in "the west" are probably some of the most chaotic people in the world. Think about it, if we can't resist the urge to eat our way to obesity, then how many people do you think can resist the urge to shoplift if no one is there to stop them?
Also, being "too religious" often leads to violence, so no. If any country is a good candidate for this type of government, it's Japan.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-02-09 at 21:56:56
I personally think that government is nothing but censored.gif . I hate government for recent economic interventions and such. I think that individual businesses can do very well without governmental intervention although i must say with out government, there can be chaos. But I think of anarchy as a good choice for individual entrepreneurs.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2006-02-09 at 22:04:10
If one day, America randomly goes Anarchist, of course there would be chaos. But maybe if Anarchy was started when America was first settled, then it would be different. Remember, America is built around democracy. Of course it would be mad if we just applied it today. As for starting from scratch as an Anarchist country, we'll never know. It's too late.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-02-09 at 22:04:34
anarchy would not work. because death and hell will engulf the populance and that the people will work toward building a government.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Detestable_Evil on 2006-02-09 at 22:14:55
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Feb 9 2006, 06:06 PM)
Anarchy, like communism, would definately not work in real life because of our corrupt human natures. To even consider whether anarchy could/should be a form of government for any society, you must achieve a utopia-like world.
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I agree. Anarchy is giving the responsibility to the public.
With this power, it gives a sense of freedom.
A sense of freedom that reflects on the person's nature.
For anarchy to work, the world (As MillenuimArmy stated.) would have to be a utopia-like world for this kind of government to work.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-02-09 at 22:28:23
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Remember, America is built around democracy. Of course it would be mad if we just applied it today. As for starting from scratch as an Anarchist country, we'll never know. It's too late.

We pretty much did start out as an Anarchist country, we realized that the Articles of Confederation were way too free and created the constitution which gave the government more power, we tried it, and we already found out that it wouldn't work out. This is why history is such an important subject to learn. ( On a side note: by we, I of course mean you, because I wasn't born in America)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-02-09 at 22:45:43
QUOTE(Jet_Blast54 @ Feb 9 2006, 09:16 PM)
That's the new quote of the month syphon.

But honestly, people in "the west" are probably some of the most chaotic people in the world. Think about it, if we can't resist the urge to eat our way to obesity, then how many people do you think can resist the urge to shoplift if no one is there to stop them?
Also, being "too religious" often leads to violence, so no. If any country is a good candidate for this type of government, it's Japan.
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I ment because westerners are lazy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2006-02-10 at 21:23:06
Well i agree. I mean there is a lot of bad Goverment systems. Even democracy has it's lows. But yeah i could agree this is and was one of the worst. Totaltaltarian or a dictatorship are bad once to. Depending on who's the leader.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2006-02-11 at 01:15:56
Anarchy isn't kicking over kids sand castles, it's a valid political theory. Sure, you may want to call yourself an Anarchist, but you aren't, and probably never will be. It's one of the most misinterpreted and misrepresented views anyone can associate themselves with. The media loves to use it as another, bigger word for chaos. That would he how things would go if Anarchy were thrown onto our society without anyone knowing exactly what it is, and what Anarchists actually do.

MA's almost right, you would need a more civilized society than we have here today. To make it actually work, everyone involved would need to work for the good of the whole. A line from NOFX's Anarchy Camp fits perfectly. "If you see somebody taking charge, you’ll be expected to beat them."

No, Anarchy wouldn't work in our world. There's too many ignorant fools running around, ruining everything. Please, for your own good, read what this guy has to say.

http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showuser=2657
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-02-11 at 01:23:13
Where's Nuclearrabbit when you need her...? Oh yeah, DEAD. Because she supported anarchism. Support it and you will die. There's the proof.

But on a more serious note, our dead friend, who is dead. And couldn't be any more dead than she is now. (Did I mention she's dead?) She would've wanted us to use the links in her signature. I will give you a link to her profile so you can click those links. It's what she would've wanted!

http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showuser=2657

There's all you need to know, you anti-anarchist people!

DON'T DELETE THIS POST THIS TIME!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-02-11 at 01:47:13
ok kiddies, class is in session.

Anarchy in no shape nor form stands for chaos. It stands for 'without government, without authority'. It does not however mean 'without law and order' or 'chaos'.

Anarchy is quite possibly the BEST form of society. People have been brought to think that without someone ruling over you, you cannot live. This is complete and utter bullshiz.

For referance, here is the anarchist FAQ.
http://www.infoshop.org/faq/index.html

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Agreed,( at least besides Dictatorships smile.gif), but I don't think they mean absense of any form of government, they mean chaos.

And if it means anything, I don't think it's cute to draw anarchy symbols on your bags, or on yourself -_-

If you don't understand what Anarchy truly is, then don't speak. It is the most free society that can be accomplished ever.

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You want Anarchy, do you? I find it hilarious how anybody could claim themselves and Anarchist. True Anarchy is hell. It's a free for all amongst groups of family and friends. Anarchy has happen in countries when the government has collapsed, but there is no driving force to pick up and start again.

Where do you get your food in Anarchy? All your life you've been buying it from a grocery store, which has been picked clean by looters.

Honestly, I'd like to see you establish anything during Anarachy. If you own a farm, it'll have been stripped clean by starving looters. If you have a stockpile of food, it'll run out. Anarchy is worse than Communism. In Anarchy, survival instincts take over and hospitality is scarcely found.

Is that the world you want to live in? A world of death and violence without foundation?

That is the most backwards, the most horrible explaination of what Anarchy is. Anarchy is a threat to capitalism. What do people do when somethings a threat? They talk shiz about it, make people join their side then the others. You see it in school, and you see it in government.

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Anarchy would only work if people were perfect, and didn't need someone to tell them to do whats right. Of course, thats never going to happen, so its unfeasable.

I'm surprised you even know what the word infeasable means. It is more then feasable to live like such. No one is perfect and Anarchy does not require you to be such.

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Anarchy, like communism, would definately not work in real life because of our corrupt human natures. To even consider whether anarchy could/should be a form of government for any society, you must achieve a utopia-like world.

Does not require a utopia like world. Read the answer to the above quote.

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If one day, America randomly goes Anarchist, of course there would be chaos. But maybe if Anarchy was started when America was first settled, then it would be different. Remember, America is built around democracy. Of course it would be mad if we just applied it today. As for starting from scratch as an Anarchist country, we'll never know. It's too late.

You may be right. It is the near-perfect society. It quite possibly is too late. Corporations control the world, it would be nearly impossible to wrestle their power from them unless all people stand up. Which as we know, people are too easily manipulated to stand up for one cause.

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I agree. Anarchy is giving the responsibility to the public.
With this power, it gives a sense of freedom.
A sense of freedom that reflects on the person's nature.
For anarchy to work, the world (As MillenuimArmy stated.) would have to be a utopia-like world for this kind of government to work.

Read my answer to MA.

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We pretty much did start out as an Anarchist country, we realized that the Articles of Confederation were way too free and created the constitution which gave the government more power, we tried it, and we already found out that it wouldn't work out. This is why history is such an important subject to learn. ( On a side note: by we, I of course mean you, because I wasn't born in America)

errrrr... can I buy a vowel? Completely false. This country was in no way an anarchist country.... ever. Refer to the FAQ for why.

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Well i agree. I mean there is a lot of bad Goverment systems. Even democracy has it's lows. But yeah i could agree this is and was one of the worst. Totaltaltarian or a dictatorship are bad once to. Depending on who's the leader.

Mind stepping off the band wagon please? Your just repeating what someone else said. As stated above, completely false.

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Anarchy isn't kicking over kids sand castles, it's a valid political theory. Sure, you may want to call yourself an Anarchist, but you aren't, and probably never will be. It's one of the most misinterpreted and misrepresented views anyone can associate themselves with. The media loves to use it as another, bigger word for chaos. That would he how things would go if Anarchy were thrown onto our society without anyone knowing exactly what it is, and what Anarchists actually do.

MA's almost right, you would need a more civilized society than we have here today. To make it actually work, everyone involved would need to work for the good of the whole. A line from NOFX's Anarchy Camp fits perfectly. "If you see somebody taking charge, you’ll be expected to beat them."

No, Anarchy wouldn't work in our world. There's too many ignorant fools running around, ruining everything. Please, for your own good, read what this guy has to say.

If majority worked for the greater good and did not allow those few who didn't to grab power, they would eventually be forced to join the cause or live as outcasts. That link in Nuke's profile is the same as I provided above.

Thats all for now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-02-11 at 01:52:04
Spam Below.. please ignore.

QUOTE(Euro @ Feb 10 2006, 11:58 PM)
The japanese will all trample eachother
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-02-11 at 01:58:09
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QUOTE(Jet_Blast54)

That's the new quote of the month syphon.

But honestly, people in "the west" are probably some of the most chaotic people in the world. Think about it, if we can't resist the urge to eat our way to obesity, then how many people do you think can resist the urge to shoplift if no one is there to stop them?
Also, being "too religious" often leads to violence, so no. If any country is a good candidate for this type of government, it's Japan.


Japan has way to many people crammed into 1 small city for it to work. They'd all trample eachother and die. =/



Spam Above... please ignore.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-02-11 at 18:00:14
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ok kiddies, class is in session.

Anarchy in no shape nor form stands for chaos. It stands for 'without government, without authority'. It does not however mean 'without law and order' or 'chaos'.

Anarchy is quite possibly the BEST form of society. People have been brought to think that without someone ruling over you, you cannot live. This is complete and utter bullshiz.

Ok Kiddie, Class is in session. Since you don't seem to know, without government there cannot be law and order due to the fact that no one is there to enforce laws and keep order. Without authority we are free to do whatever we want, want to kill your neighbors, who gives a crap? Without someone ruling over us we are reduced to cavemen, which in the modern world, is something bad.
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If you don't understand what Anarchy truly is, then don't speak. It is the most free society that can be accomplished ever.

I couldn't have said it better myself, so please proceed with the "don't speak" part.
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Anarchy is a threat to capitalism. What do people do when somethings a threat? They talk shiz about it, make people join their side then the others. You see it in school, and you see it in government.

What do they do when no rules are restraining them? They kill the threat and along the way decide to rob a bank.
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I'm surprised you even know what the word infeasable means. It is more then feasable to live like such. No one is perfect and Anarchy does not require you to be such.

Hello? Explanation? Oh wait, there is none.
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You may be right. It is the near-perfect society. It quite possibly is too late. Corporations control the world, it would be nearly impossible to wrestle their power from them unless all people stand up. Which as we know, people are too easily manipulated to stand up for one cause.
Have no fear, with anarchy we can simply grab a few sniper rifles from the nearby army jeep we bombed and shoot Bill Gates in the head.
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errrrr... can I buy a vowel? Completely false. This country was in no way an anarchist country.... ever. Refer to the FAQ for why.

I think you need to brush up on a little history, the whole idea revolving aronud the creation of America was that rules were too strict and that power should be given to everyone instead of one person. By the way, if something has "FAQ" labeled at the top of it, that doesn't make it true.
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Mind stepping off the band wagon please? Your just repeating what someone else said. As stated above, completely false.

Ever hear of an agreement?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-02-11 at 18:08:40
QUOTE(Jet_Blast54 @ Feb 11 2006, 04:00 PM)
Ok Kiddie, Class is in session. Since you don't seem to know, without government there cannot be law and order due to the fact that no one is there to enforce laws and keep order. Without authority we are free to do whatever we want, want to kill your neighbors, who gives a crap? Without someone ruling over us we are reduced to cavemen, which in the modern world, is something bad.
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Ok, Jet_Blast, Class is in session. Since you don't seem to know, there can be law and order without "High up" being(s) forcing you to do something.

The way it would work is that everyone would have an equal say in what the rules are, and if someone breaks a rule that almost everyone else in the country is against (E.G. murder) then that person would get beat up. By everyone. Hence there would be rules, and people would follow them, and at the same time everyone would have an equal say in everything without one select few lording over everyone.

ADDITION:
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Have no fear, with anarchy we can simply grab a few sniper rifles from the nearby army jeep we bombed and shoot Bill Gates in the head.
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Wow.. that sounds great.. I agree 100% on the shooting bill gates in the head part.. I hope you wern't being sarcastic though.. because that is a GREAT idea.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-02-11 at 18:09:08
That would be known as Communism.

Too bad it doesn't work.
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