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Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2006-02-27 at 21:48:35
I think you're trying to define something that is dependent on someone's point of view. Evil is something that each person defines differently. Personally, evil is something that describes things such as rape, murder, pedofiles, and things as such. Generally what society deems evil these day.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ninebreaker on 2006-02-27 at 21:49:48
QUOTE(XxPacmaynExX @ Feb 26 2006, 07:33 PM)
No, he never did. Let's go into an example.

Does darkness exist?
No, it doesn't. We think it is. But, it does not exist. Light does exist. Darkness is just amount of light. In other words, no light.

Does cold exist?
Same thing as above. Cold is just little of heat.

Does hate exist?
No it doesn't. Hate is just no love. Love does exist, hate doesn't.

Now, for the final question.

Does evil exist?
I think you all know the answer.
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Well if you say that, then what about this?

Does light exist?
No its just an absence of darkness

Does heat exist?
No, its just an absence of cold

Does love exist?
No, its just an absence of hate
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2006-02-27 at 22:01:06
Sorry CheeZe. I won't bring politics up. It was more of a joke anywys. tongue.gif

Thanks for clarifying that too...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Eskimo Bob on 2006-02-27 at 22:37:28
I think evil does exist.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-02-27 at 23:22:01
This is not a complicated topic.

If there is a God then there could be the chance that it created good and evil

If there isn't one, then it (if you break it all the way down) doesn't exist. Except for when we use it to describe things. And what is good and evil is, as said countless times before, is based on pov.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-02-28 at 03:04:31
Good and evil are both terms given by humans to describe things that happen.

Things without our perspective on them are not good nor evil.

Rocks are not evil, or good. Nor are cockroaches. You may argue that they are evil, as they perform many tasks which we do not approve, but that is simply from our standpoint. They are simply living by what means they have. This is much like what people do, from one persons perspective things appear reasonable, while from anothers, they appear inhumane. People are not very different from anything else.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-28 at 11:38:43
QUOTE(Doodan)
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e-vil  adj
  1.  Morally bad or wrong
  2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful
  3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous
  4. Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous
  5. Characterized by anger or spite; malicious



this is our definition of evil
if you think that it has a different meaning, then you're thinking that the universe has its own definition of evil, but we don't know that or we don't care so stick with this definition

unless you can prove that God exists/existed, you can't answer this question sad.gif


To bad they ignore you.

QUOTE(Rantant)
Good and evil are both terms given by humans to describe things that happen.

Things without our perspective on them are not good nor evil.

Rocks are not evil, or good. Nor are cockroaches. You may argue that they are evil, as they perform many tasks which we do not approve, but that is simply from our standpoint. They are simply living by what means they have. This is much like what people do, from one persons perspective things appear reasonable, while from anothers, they appear inhumane. People are not very different from anything else.


And why is it that you have to repeat what I say? Is everyone on this site really that idiotic?

QUOTE(Zordon)
Evil is a perception of the human mind

QUOTE(Rantant)
Good and evil are both terms given by humans to describe things that happen.


They are the same damn things. Just put differently.

My conclusion: PERCEPTION!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2006-02-28 at 20:48:24
I was merely saying that you can't say one thing doesn't exist because it is nothing of something else. You can apply it both ways. The logic is flawed that you can apply it both ways.

I can say that something doesn't exist because it's only a little of something, but If I say down doesn't exist, it's only a little bit of up, there's something wrong. It's exactly what the topic creator said in his first post.


Now did God create evil?

No f****** clue. You can't prove god exists, so you can't prove anything on this topic.

And even if you believe in god, there's no proof saying he is there, it's the beleiving that matters.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2006-02-28 at 21:51:44
I like Jerk's arguement, but I'll continue with my own.

Hot -> Cold
Light -> Darkness

Those are in entirely different fields than:

Love - > Hate
Good -> Evil

Love and hate are emotions, and hate is a very real emotion. I can not love somebody at all, yet I don't hate them. I can, however, hate somebody AND love them at the same time. Now admittingly, this may be a rare personal situation, but the point being they are both independant emotions.

Good and Evil are both perceptions.

Consider this: A man goes insane for any given reason, and perceives his child as a vivid monster that is threatening almost beyond his comprehension. He kills his child in 'self-defense'. Is he evil?

ADDITION:
Cheeze, those comics seem to me to be reinforcing that Science is better than Religion.....
New things arise, mankind learns, and ideas change. If a scientific book is revised every year, does that not mean it's getting more and more accurate?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-28 at 23:58:43
QUOTE(SoulShifter)
Cheeze, those comics seem to me to be reinforcing that Science is better than Religion.....
New things arise, mankind learns, and ideas change. If a scientific book is revised every year, does that not mean it's getting more and more accurate?


That's what he is saying, nimrod.

Just because something get's revised every year, doesn't make it absolute truth though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by guardien on 2006-03-01 at 23:03:04
Neither evil or good exist, they are just different ways of thinking, or opinion, for that matter. Evil and good is decided by the idealist's supporters.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chronophobia on 2006-03-03 at 11:53:51
QUOTE(XxPacmaynExX @ Feb 26 2006, 07:33 PM)
Does cold exist?
Same thing as above. Cold is just little of heat.
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Then how come there are degrees lower than 0 then, and in what degree is where it isn't ANY heat?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chrono_seifer on 2006-03-03 at 12:02:51
what is greater than god
more evil than the devil
poor peaple have it
and rich ppl need it
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ... on 2006-03-03 at 14:20:14
QUOTE(Chronophobia @ Mar 3 2006, 11:53 AM)
Then how come there are degrees lower than 0 then, and in what degree is where it isn't ANY heat?
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Cold is absence of heat. Use your brain.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-03-03 at 14:22:52
Assuming that cold is absence of heat, that doesn't mean that the general concept of "evil" is just "non-good." You're not gaining much credibility here, especially given your creation of a "legitimate religion."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2006-03-04 at 12:27:14
Let me see... God did not directly create evil. Rather, he created the "chance" for evil, while making the "chance" for good deeds and love to be created. This is also called free will for humans...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Falcon_A on 2006-03-04 at 23:07:46
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Then how come there are degrees lower than 0 then, and in what degree is where it isn't ANY heat?


Absolute zero? which I think is -273 degrees celsius?

Anyway, by the defininition in the first post, then I would probably say no. But then again, maybe even if you think like that, God did create evil, because he didn't place good in certain places in the world.

GG SILLY NOOB CLOWNS lol j/p. (That was a quote from Inept on BWMN.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ninebreaker on 2006-03-05 at 02:17:09
God created all.
God planned all.
God created evil.
God planned evil.
God created evil for a purpose.
Humans cannot comprehend God's will, even in Heaven.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-03-07 at 09:28:57
I don't buy that for a second. What's there to comprehend?

God: I made the world to create world peace or for fun or on mistake or to help combat against satan or some other easy to explain reason(s)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Middle_Finger on 2006-03-10 at 03:24:55
God created this world. I'm not english, but in my language there is a saying :
"you get to know everything in comparison". God created evil, to show that he is good. You won't understand what food is tasty if you dont eat bad food, or dont atleas hear from someone taht bad food allso exists. Devil represents eveil, & he is a fallen angel, so God did create evil.
That's my opinion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Killer_Kow(MM) on 2006-03-13 at 10:48:39
As I hope you all know, Satan is the master of all evil. Satan was once a servent of God. God did create him. Therefore, god did create evil.

I believe he created evil to give us a choice. A choice to love god or turn the other way.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2006-03-13 at 21:46:46
QUOTE(... @ Feb 26 2006, 07:32 PM)
No, he never did. Let's go into an example.

Does darkness exist?
No, it doesn't. We think it is. But, it does not exist. Light does exist. Darkness is just amount of light. In other words, no light.

Does cold exist?
Same thing as above. Cold is just little of heat.

Does hate exist?
No it doesn't. Hate is just no love. Love does exist, hate doesn't.

Now, for the final question.

Does evil exist?
I think you all know the answer.
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Hate and evil are two different things. See Hate encourages Evil, but it isn't evil. Evil, or the devil is in every soul/person/living thing. It is the ability to hold it in and Let the Good go out. Those are the people we look up to. This is my point.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LtDonny on 2006-03-14 at 23:09:09
Yes. I believe there is evil, everyone has it but does not use it. I also believe there is an equal amount of good in the world to make neutrality.

Explanation: I notice in my school there are a lot of crappy people. Crappy as in slightly evil. Then, there are the nearly pure-hearted ones. Those are the pure few.

I believe that in the world there is a specific balance of good and evil. I will use my school as an example and shrink the population down to 100:

100 people are at my school. Out of those 100, there are 75 bad people, 20 good people, and 5 neutral people. Now, neutrality is canceled out, so we are left with 95. I believe those 75 people have a lot of evil in them. Those 75 people will make up 50% of the evil total (1/3% each person). Now, I believe the 20 good people balance out the evil to create neutrality (2-1/2% each person). The purity is stronger, and the evil is numerous. This is the basic pattern I see mostly everywhere I go.

Frankly, the way I see it, God did not create evil, and good and evil do not exist in the end. Neutrality does, every time one goes up, the other balances.

For those familiar with the C&C Tiberian series, think of GDI (good) and Nod (evil).

Sorry for such a long post. Here is the conclusion once more:

The way I see it, God did not create evil, and good and evil do not exist in the end. Neutrality does, every time one goes up, the other balances.

^_^
Report, edit, etc...Posted by power_of_ghost on 2006-03-14 at 23:16:30
QUOTE(chrono_seifer @ Mar 3 2006, 12:02 PM)
what is greater than god
more evil than the devil
poor peaple have it
and rich ppl need it
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easy, its suppose to be rich ppl don't have its. Its nothing.

THERE IS NO GOOD OR EVIL, there is only power and those who too weak to seek it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2006-03-15 at 15:56:16
No. Seriously, that's the wrong mindset, and with that mindset, you're going to contribute very little to humanity.
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