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No, he never did. Let's go into an example.

Does darkness exist?
No, it doesn't. We think it is. But, it does not exist. Light does exist. Darkness is just amount of light. In other words, no light.

Does cold exist?
Same thing as above. Cold is just little of heat.

Does hate exist?
No it doesn't. Hate is just no love. Love does exist, hate doesn't.

Now, for the final question.

Does evil exist?
I think you all know the answer.

To Pacman: So by your logic, there are no nails holding a barn together, just non-holes?

That just about solves the opening post.

What does that supposed to mean?

Love is just no hate?

It means you're saying that the perceived inverse of one thing is instead a similar quality in smaller quantity, which is a horrendous twisting of logic.

I agree with Deadly.

EDIT: And Arbitrary's post above this one.

Pacman, I applaud you for trying to use logic. I give you that. Not many people like to really do that. But you sound new to it right now.

Your argument...No...well...no...
Evil existed, and God tried to protect us from it by making the Garden of Eden. When Eve betrayed him and then lied that made it so that we encounter evil.

I think this is more irrational than Pacman's post here, but in its individual context it makes markedly more sense.

You can't measure evil. Hate is same category as evil. You can measure only how good you are. I really meant to set the topic title as Does Evil Exist?

That's women for ya.

I disagree with your logic, Pac. Taking things such as good/evil, no matter what you think, it's all about points of view. Evil isn't a measure of how un-good someone is, or vice versa. Some say Bush is evil, but others disagree. Who's truly, cosmically, "in the eyes of the universe" right on that subject?

ADDITION:
I will throw my view point in here. I do believe in god, and I DO believe that nothing can exist without it's opposite, and that the cosmos was intentionally designed that way. Light means no dark, and dark means no light. Life means not dead, death means not alive, etc.

So I can keep track of how many times I hold the door open for someone, but I can keep to myself about how I mutilate animals with a miniature chainsaw in my free time?

Human perceptions twist meanings.

Yea i agree with this.

Of course evil exists, There cannot be good with out evil, To have good you must have evil. To have light, Darkness must exist somewhere. God did create evil, when he created us. Humans. Are you telling me hate doesnt exist? thats a joke, your a joke. This entire thread is a joke. This is like saying, There is no such a thing as the sun, we just think there is.

If we define evil as bad, then no, it doesn't exist. It's just a point of view.

Heat and Cold don't exsist, they are simply the movements of things at the molecular level. At differing tempuratures those particles move about in relativey differing speeds, they are they same thing, but simply relative with each other.

Hate on the other hand, is caused by consequence, people have to do something in a fashion which reflects you negatively. This can be in an action by the person themself, or through the media of another, such as parents saying they don't like your neighbors. Love is likewise based upon actions, which reflect positively upon a person. (I do not mean lust which is pretty much strickly instinctual and physical.) They are two sides of a coin, the center being simply not caring.

Evil is a very roughly defined term, as evil means different things to one person as to another. (A freedom fighter on one side is a terrorist on another) I belive it is much like the hot and cold scenario, where depending on the thing you relate it to it appears as either good or bad. It also is a term derived from our background and history, as we evolve a sense of what makes someone evil from the community we are in. (Some peoplesay those who do drugs are "evil" while people who destroy forrests are "good" and gays are "evil" while those who force people into jail are "good")
Basically the ideas behind good and evil are based soley upon the social veiws of the time along with a relationship comparing the "evil" thing with an alternative.

Not entirely(to post number 1), correct me if Im wrong here but the Angel Gabriel (or some Angel) decided to go AWOL sort of became evil. Isn't that how the devil came to be? Or did this rogue angel join the devil?

I dunno I need to read some more. ouch, pwned myself.

Angels originally had free will. Lucifer (also known as Satan), the most beautiful angel, decided he was as strong, if not more, than God, and managed to pull together 1/3 of the angels into rebellion. God smat them and created hell for them and all who deny God.

Absence of Love is apathy, not hate. Absence of Good is indifferent, not Evil. There is middle ground, and the sides are just opposite ends of the spectrum

I am "evil" because I cuss and swear.
I am "evil" because I follow a madman.

I am "good" because I help the poor.
I am "good" because I am nice.

All perceptions of the human mind.

There is no good or evil. It's all perceptual; Thus, what I believe to be good and evil is different from other peoples beliefs.

oh come off it, Why dont you support your little noob statments with some thing that will hold up? OHNOES MY SPELLING IZ NOTS GOOD ENOUF!!! go to your little books you dumb nerd. Must i have good spelling to make a point? No. HAHAH, All you are doing is quoting me on the quote. So sit down and go cry. You and half of the shiz you just posted is all just little opinions.


Also, Cow, I'm not cathelic, But i do belive its 6 angels.


WATCH OUT GUYS GET ALL YOUR GRAMMER AND SPELLING ALL RIGHT FOR THE LITTLE NERD OR IT MIGHT DEVISTATE HIM AND HIS INNER CHILD.

i will have to agree with you on the first 2 but since hate is the opposite of love does not neccesarily mean that one is just the absense of another. Since emotions cannot be measured by any scientific means love and hate do not fall into your theory. you can love and hate someone, such as your sibling.



Evil was created by temptation that was created by Lucifer that was created by God. evil is not the absense of good. a person can be good and evil, like Hitler evil to the Jews good to the Germans.