Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-11-04 at 11:49:38
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I came clean with DT. I sent him a link to my double account that I used all of I think twice, both within a month of creating it (once to post and once to upload an attachment because we had crap for storage space back then). Also, I created it before most of you were even here, circa November 2004.
oh yea... i joined in June '04! I am a veteran member that rarely comes on anymore
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-11-04 at 11:50:46
QUOTE(Jamatul_101 @ Nov 4 2006, 11:59 AM)
And if he did rig polls, why didn't he play the raffle and the magic boxes also?
Because then I notice. The past 10 raffle winners give me a very nice list of names to check.
Anyway, time for my backlash.
DEAD... you DID expose a security threat, which was beneficial to us (which means I won't ban you outright). But you've clearly violated the rules, so you're fired. DEAD is also to be suspended for
). All the minerals stored on the extra accounts, they're going bye bye.[edit]Reducing his suspension to 8 days, only because he gave a good explanation.[/edit]
To prevent such things in the future, I'm setting up a random screening system. I'm going to check ten members at random every day for double accounts. Hopefully, DTBK will join me as well. So... if you've got more accounts, you're going to be found eventually. Think about what you're doing.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-11-04 at 12:02:20
Shocko, what is more important: a little poll that he rigged, or the fact that SEN is not prepared to reveal double accounts?
And besides, we all know that Syphon rigged one poll by adding his name in, and nothing happened.
What did the hacks do? They removed topics, suspended staff.. in other words - did bad things. What did that result in? It resulted in improvements of the code, which is good.
No pain no gain.
ADDITION:
Moose, you should lower the amount of days of suspension - all he did was help you, and encourage you to increase security. Would you prefer some random moron creating 16 accounts and spamming our forums with them, or DEAD creating 16 accounts?
Basically he saved (or lowered the chance) you from the potential moron that may show up.
And besides, we all know that Syphon rigged one poll by adding his name in, and nothing happened.
What did the hacks do? They removed topics, suspended staff.. in other words - did bad things. What did that result in? It resulted in improvements of the code, which is good.
No pain no gain.
ADDITION:
Moose, you should lower the amount of days of suspension - all he did was help you, and encourage you to increase security. Would you prefer some random moron creating 16 accounts and spamming our forums with them, or DEAD creating 16 accounts?
Basically he saved (or lowered the chance) you from the potential moron that may show up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lisk on 2006-11-04 at 12:12:38
I had a double on senv5, then i remembered the pass to lisk, and stopped using it.
I guess it doesn't matter though...
I guess it doesn't matter though...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Carlsagan43 on 2006-11-04 at 12:35:47
My other account name is Yoshi_da_sniper
Please delete it immeadiately.
Please delete it immeadiately.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shocko on 2006-11-04 at 12:38:21
QUOTE(Jamatul_101 @ Nov 4 2006, 09:02 AM)
Shocko, what is more important: a little poll that he rigged, or the fact that SEN is not prepared to reveal double accounts?
And besides, we all know that Syphon rigged one poll by adding his name in, and nothing happened.
What did the hacks do? They removed topics, suspended staff.. in other words - did bad things. What did that result in? It resulted in improvements of the code, which is good.
No pain no gain.
ADDITION:
Moose, you should lower the amount of days of suspension - all he did was help you, and encourage you to increase security. Would you prefer some random moron creating 16 accounts and spamming our forums with them, or DEAD creating 16 accounts?
Basically he saved (or lowered the chance) you from the potential moron that may show up.
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And besides, we all know that Syphon rigged one poll by adding his name in, and nothing happened.
What did the hacks do? They removed topics, suspended staff.. in other words - did bad things. What did that result in? It resulted in improvements of the code, which is good.
No pain no gain.
ADDITION:
Moose, you should lower the amount of days of suspension - all he did was help you, and encourage you to increase security. Would you prefer some random moron creating 16 accounts and spamming our forums with them, or DEAD creating 16 accounts?
Basically he saved (or lowered the chance) you from the potential moron that may show up.
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Plain and simple he broke the rules, his excuse was pathetic ( sad ) and i don't see how anybody can take it as a good explenation.
oh yeah moose here we go
"i got hacked to test sens security you did a great job thanks for the break you cut me"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-11-04 at 12:44:07
DEAD was using his terrorist extra accounts to be a terrorist that spread terrorism across SeN.
QUOTE(Syphon(MM) @ Staff Forum)
*Syphon(MM) smells pwnage.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2006-11-04 at 12:59:15
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Plain and simple he broke the rules, his excuse was pathetic ( sad ) and i don't see how anybody can take it as a good explenation.
oh yeah moose here we go
"i got hacked to test sens security you did a great job thanks for the break you cut me"
oh yeah moose here we go
"i got hacked to test sens security you did a great job thanks for the break you cut me"
Allow me to take a look at the rules.
"1. By participating on this website, you acknowledge that you possess a working, functional brain, will make use of it, and are capable of playing nice in the sandbox with the other kids. You will be expected to respond to logic."
"5. Demonstrate common sense in your actions..."
"If you get busted for breaking one of the rules or doing something very stupid, you will be dealt with accordingly."
Three rules agree that what he did justifies a small punishment and not some big dramatic SEN-shattering war.
Unless you care to explain how blindly following rulebooks without any regard for reasons or logic is making use of your brain and demonstrating common sense.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-11-04 at 12:59:38
QUOTE(Shocko @ Nov 4 2006, 08:38 PM)
Plain and simple he broke the rules, his excuse was pathetic ( sad ) and i don't see how anybody can take it as a good explenation.
oh yeah moose here we go
"i got hacked to test sens security you did a great job thanks for the break you cut me"
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oh yeah moose here we go
"i got hacked to test sens security you did a great job thanks for the break you cut me"
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Do you truly think that he did it for some other reason other than showing Moose his inability to find double accounts?
With the hackings it was no joke - SEN got some damage. This did 0 damage to SEN, and revealed and got attention to a problem, that must be fixed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-11-04 at 13:01:47
Zero damage? What about rigging polls? In particular, the big OSMAP one?
And seriously... if he wanted to prove there was no automated scanning for double accounts, he could've just asked me.
And seriously... if he wanted to prove there was no automated scanning for double accounts, he could've just asked me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-11-04 at 13:05:13
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And seriously... if he wanted to prove there was no automated scanning for double accounts, he could've just asked me.
Yeah, a lot of people asked you to improove moderation a long time ago. And after LONG TIME, you finally made moderator changes. We all remember how you went like "sorry dude, but I found out that you do nothing" about some tutorial keepers, and stuff like that...
To get your lazy ass moving there must be a powerful kick.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shocko on 2006-11-04 at 13:09:40
QUOTE(Jamatul_101 @ Nov 4 2006, 09:59 AM)
Do you truly think that he did it for some other reason other than showing Moose his inability to find double accounts?
With the hackings it was no joke - SEN got some damage. This did 0 damage to SEN, and revealed and got attention to a problem, that must be fixed.
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With the hackings it was no joke - SEN got some damage. This did 0 damage to SEN, and revealed and got attention to a problem, that must be fixed.
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By hacking i ment my account, which was hacked before sen got hacked.
Do i think that he did it for another reason?
Yes, it's such a pathetic excuse for it. He may of done it for just fun, maybe even to rigg a poll of his choice but non the less it doesn't change that he did it. And the fact his excuse was so lame i don't think you can take it seriously.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Urmom(U) on 2006-11-04 at 13:12:40
I hope that he didn't use the accounts to rig the OSMAP poll. Hmm, well I'm not saying he did rig the OSMAP poll, but seeing that if the 17 votes were used it would have made a big difference and instead of being 112-132 it would have been 112-115. Well sorry to hear that you are demoted, I thought you were a decent moderator.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-11-04 at 13:21:50
QUOTE(Shocko @ Nov 4 2006, 09:09 PM)
but non the less it doesn't change that he did it.
We are talking about why he did it, not what he did.
For fun? Are your serious? He isn't stupid to make double accounts for fun. To rig a poll? maybe, but did that do anything? As far as I know, Moose said that he will have a final say on the OSMAP question, not the poll. Am I right? (this is a question to Moose, not Shocko)
Also please stop saying "it's not serious, it's lame". When will you understand that it's quite serious?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-11-04 at 13:38:27
QUOTE(Voyager7456(MM) @ Nov 4 2006, 08:44 AM)
Don't get me wrong, what DEAD did was wrong, and there should be consequences for his actions, I'm just saying it's not really as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be. He changed the outcome of one poll that had little (if any) effect on SEN. Calling him a "double agent" and a "terrorist" plotting to destroy SEN is a bit extreme...
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The SEN Survivor fans are going to massacre DEAD when they find out he's been quietly stacking Survivor's votes every once in a while.
QUOTE(Carlsagan43 @ Nov 4 2006, 09:35 AM)
My other account name is Yoshi_da_sniper
Please delete it immeadiately.
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Please delete it immeadiately.
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We baleted that account a while ago. Seriously.
QUOTE(Urmom(U) @ Nov 4 2006, 10:12 AM)
I hope that he didn't use the accounts to rig the OSMAP poll. Hmm, well I'm not saying he did rig the OSMAP poll, but seeing that if the 17 votes were used it would have made a big difference and instead of being 112-132 it would have been 112-115. Well sorry to hear that you are demoted, I thought you were a decent moderator.
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He did.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by mockdead on 2006-11-04 at 13:44:37
QUOTE(JordanN_3335 @ Nov 4 2006, 08:13 AM)
So DEAD was like a double agent who knew. But we should smash spamming accounts next there annoying.
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wuldnt tat mean that you would go by by?
QUOTE(Lakai @ Nov 4 2006, 10:47 AM)
rofl
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isnt tat spam?
QUOTE(DEAD @ Nov 4 2006, 10:54 AM)
I didn't hurt anymore. As I said before, it was experiment. A rather successful experiment actually.
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an experiment to show tat admins arent doing there jobs correctly?
QUOTE(fritfrat(U) @ Nov 4 2006, 11:05 AM)
Shocko, he believes it was successful in that it made an example of how un-monitored double accounts are because of how long it took them to find it, not because of the sheer number he had.
It's still not an experiment I'd do, but whatever floats you boat.
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It's still not an experiment I'd do, but whatever floats you boat.
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how does that jusify breaking rulez?
QUOTE(Centreri @ Nov 4 2006, 11:13 AM)
How so? I would do it if I wasn't wary of being suspended/banned. It's called an experiment. How is this sadder then scientists when they figured out all the elements? That was a tad more productive, but this is more interesting.
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more interesting because he wont get banned for breaking a rule 16/17 times regardless of if it was n experiment or not?
QUOTE(Deathawk @ Nov 4 2006, 11:23 AM)
Who the hell cares about expirements, I care about rigging polls..
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awww
QUOTE(Mini Moose 2707 @ Nov 4 2006, 12:50 PM)
Because then I notice. The past 10 raffle winners give me a very nice list of names to check.
Anyway, time for my backlash.
DEAD... you DID expose a security threat, which was beneficial to us (which means I won't ban you outright). But you've clearly violated the rules, so you're fired. DEAD is also to be suspended for17 16 days (one for each extra account ). All the minerals stored on the extra accounts, they're going bye bye.
[edit]Reducing his suspension to 8 days, only because he gave a good explanation.[/edit]
To prevent such things in the future, I'm setting up a random screening system. I'm going to check ten members at random every day for double accounts. Hopefully, DTBK will join me as well. So... if you've got more accounts, you're going to be found eventually. Think about what you're doing.
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Anyway, time for my backlash.
DEAD... you DID expose a security threat, which was beneficial to us (which means I won't ban you outright). But you've clearly violated the rules, so you're fired. DEAD is also to be suspended for
). All the minerals stored on the extra accounts, they're going bye bye.[edit]Reducing his suspension to 8 days, only because he gave a good explanation.[/edit]
To prevent such things in the future, I'm setting up a random screening system. I'm going to check ten members at random every day for double accounts. Hopefully, DTBK will join me as well. So... if you've got more accounts, you're going to be found eventually. Think about what you're doing.
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can we her his explaination? i wuld like to now what kind of an explaination anyone could have for breaking a rule 16/17 times...
QUOTE(Jamatul_101 @ Nov 4 2006, 01:02 PM)
Shocko, what is more important: a little poll that he rigged, or the fact that SEN is not prepared to reveal double accounts?
And besides, we all know that Syphon rigged one poll by adding his name in, and nothing happened.
What did the hacks do? They removed topics, suspended staff.. in other words - did bad things. What did that result in? It resulted in improvements of the code, which is good.
No pain no gain.
ADDITION:
Moose, you should lower the amount of days of suspension - all he did was help you, and encourage you to increase security. Would you prefer some random moron creating 16 accounts and spamming our forums with them, or DEAD creating 16 accounts?
Basically he saved (or lowered the chance) you from the potential moron that may show up.
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And besides, we all know that Syphon rigged one poll by adding his name in, and nothing happened.
What did the hacks do? They removed topics, suspended staff.. in other words - did bad things. What did that result in? It resulted in improvements of the code, which is good.
No pain no gain.
ADDITION:
Moose, you should lower the amount of days of suspension - all he did was help you, and encourage you to increase security. Would you prefer some random moron creating 16 accounts and spamming our forums with them, or DEAD creating 16 accounts?
Basically he saved (or lowered the chance) you from the potential moron that may show up.
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actually from wat my friends ho go here said, they are more than ready enough to find accounts.. so in ma opinion, tey were not doing thar job..
QUOTE(Jamatul_101 @ Nov 4 2006, 01:59 PM)
Do you truly think that he did it for some other reason other than showing Moose his inability to find double accounts?
With the hackings it was no joke - SEN got some damage. This did 0 damage to SEN, and revealed and got attention to a problem, that must be fixed.
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With the hackings it was no joke - SEN got some damage. This did 0 damage to SEN, and revealed and got attention to a problem, that must be fixed.
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a problem? u mean the problem dat teh admins arent fully doing thar job?
QUOTE(Shocko @ Nov 4 2006, 02:09 PM)
By hacking i ment my account, which was hacked before sen got hacked.
Do i think that he did it for another reason?
Yes, it's such a pathetic excuse for it. He may of done it for just fun, maybe even to rigg a poll of his choice but non the less it doesn't change that he did it. And the fact his excuse was so lame i don't think you can take it seriously.
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Do i think that he did it for another reason?
Yes, it's such a pathetic excuse for it. He may of done it for just fun, maybe even to rigg a poll of his choice but non the less it doesn't change that he did it. And the fact his excuse was so lame i don't think you can take it seriously.
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ya!
QUOTE(Jamatul_101 @ Nov 4 2006, 02:21 PM)
We are talking about why he did it, not what he did.
For fun? Are your serious? He isn't stupid to make double accounts for fun. To rig a poll? maybe, but did that do anything? As far as I know, Moose said that he will have a final say on the OSMAP question, not the poll. Am I right? (this is a question to Moose, not Shocko)
Also please stop saying "it's not serious, it's lame". When will you understand that it's quite serious?
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For fun? Are your serious? He isn't stupid to make double accounts for fun. To rig a poll? maybe, but did that do anything? As far as I know, Moose said that he will have a final say on the OSMAP question, not the poll. Am I right? (this is a question to Moose, not Shocko)
Also please stop saying "it's not serious, it's lame". When will you understand that it's quite serious?
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it is serious. he wunt get banned fer braking a rule 16/17 times because da excuse is: it was an experiement
so wy is it dat if i were to experiment, id get banned qwick, wile he can git away with dis?
if nything, he showd everyone dat teh admins are slackin.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shocko on 2006-11-04 at 13:57:01
QUOTE(mockdead @ Nov 4 2006, 10:44 AM)
wuldnt tat mean that you would go by by?
isnt tat spam?
an experiment to show tat admins arent doing there jobs correctly?
how does that jusify breaking rulez?
more interesting because he wont get banned for breaking a rule 16/17 times regardless of if it was n experiment or not?
awww
can we her his explaination? i wuld like to now what kind of an explaination anyone could have for breaking a rule 16/17 times...
actually from wat my friends ho go here said, they are more than ready enough to find accounts.. so in ma opinion, tey were not doing thar job..
a problem? u mean the problem dat teh admins arent fully doing thar job?
ya!
it is serious. he wunt get banned fer braking a rule 16/17 times because da excuse is: it was an experiement
so wy is it dat if i were to experiment, id get banned qwick, wile he can git away with dis?
if nything, he showd everyone dat teh admins are slackin.
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isnt tat spam?
an experiment to show tat admins arent doing there jobs correctly?
how does that jusify breaking rulez?
more interesting because he wont get banned for breaking a rule 16/17 times regardless of if it was n experiment or not?
awww
can we her his explaination? i wuld like to now what kind of an explaination anyone could have for breaking a rule 16/17 times...
actually from wat my friends ho go here said, they are more than ready enough to find accounts.. so in ma opinion, tey were not doing thar job..
a problem? u mean the problem dat teh admins arent fully doing thar job?
ya!
it is serious. he wunt get banned fer braking a rule 16/17 times because da excuse is: it was an experiement
so wy is it dat if i were to experiment, id get banned qwick, wile he can git away with dis?
if nything, he showd everyone dat teh admins are slackin.
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you have really poor grammar, but thanks for standing up for me, i never even thought about the fact that yes he broke the double accounting rule technically 16 times.
and is saying "it was an experiment to test the admins"
honestly a good excuse?
It's like devilesk (all though i don't believe he did it) saying
"i hacked SEN to test the admins"
you can ban devilesk permanently for testing the admins but cut DEAD's suspension in half for testing the admins.
like i have hated devilesk for a long time ( not so much now ) but still this is like extremely unjust.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2006-11-04 at 13:59:42
The rift amongst members is incredible. You either lose respect for DEAD because he made other accounts and rigged a dumb useless poll or you still respect DEAD because nothing about him has actually changed. Do you all follow suit so easily?
I think what he did was actually a great experiment. Because he made them six months ago, don't you find it the least bit interesting that the most recent addition to the administration was the one who figured it out? Now I know IP and Moose have plenty else to worry about than cracking down on multiple accounts and I'm not trying to blame this administration for anything. It is just quite interesting to me that DEAD was discovered so late.
Good job, DEAD. I still respect you.
I think what he did was actually a great experiment. Because he made them six months ago, don't you find it the least bit interesting that the most recent addition to the administration was the one who figured it out? Now I know IP and Moose have plenty else to worry about than cracking down on multiple accounts and I'm not trying to blame this administration for anything. It is just quite interesting to me that DEAD was discovered so late.
Good job, DEAD. I still respect you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-11-04 at 14:05:00
QUOTE(DevliN @ Nov 4 2006, 09:59 PM)
The rift amongst members is incredible. You either lose respect for DEAD because he made other accounts and rigged a dumb useless poll or you still respect DEAD because nothing about him has actually changed. Do you all follow suit so easily?
I think what he did was actually a great experiment. Because he made them six months ago, don't you find it the least bit interesting that the most recent addition to the administration was the one who figured it out? Now I know IP and Moose have plenty else to worry about than cracking down on multiple accounts and I'm not trying to blame this administration for anything. It is just quite interesting to me that DEAD was discovered so late.
Good job, DEAD. I still respect you.
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I think what he did was actually a great experiment. Because he made them six months ago, don't you find it the least bit interesting that the most recent addition to the administration was the one who figured it out? Now I know IP and Moose have plenty else to worry about than cracking down on multiple accounts and I'm not trying to blame this administration for anything. It is just quite interesting to me that DEAD was discovered so late.
Good job, DEAD. I still respect you.
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Finally, a person with common sense. Shocko, this person should be an example for you.
To Devlin: I didn't loose any respect to DEAD, because he didn't change one bit.
Basically, Shocko doesen't understand this idea: No pain, no gain.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by mockdead on 2006-11-04 at 14:06:12
then to me tat proves tat they werent exactly doing thar job, and they came across it by luck.
how is that justification for breaking a rule 16 timez?
how is that justification for breaking a rule 16 timez?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shocko on 2006-11-04 at 14:06:53
QUOTE(Jamatul_101 @ Nov 4 2006, 11:05 AM)
Finally, a person with common sense. Shocko, this person should be an example for you.
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I had no respect for DEAD before this happened so why would he gain respect from violating the rules. It's not what the experiment did but the fact he broke the rules.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-11-04 at 14:08:53
QUOTE(mockdead @ Nov 4 2006, 10:06 PM)
then to me tat proves tat they werent exactly doing thar job, and they came across it by luck.
how is that justification for breaking a rule 16 timez?
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how is that justification for breaking a rule 16 timez?
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Please, use normal english. You are not in b-net.
ADDITION:
QUOTE(Shocko @ Nov 4 2006, 10:06 PM)
I had no respect for DEAD before this happened so why would he gain respect from violating the rules. It's not what the experiment did but the fact he broke the rules.
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SO you don't care what he did with it, you just care how he did? Well, that's quite understandable, since you seem not to like him.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shocko on 2006-11-04 at 14:09:04
QUOTE(Jamatul_101 @ Nov 4 2006, 11:07 AM)
Please, use normal english. You are not in b-net.
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Please, use normal
Grammar stickler.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2006-11-04 at 14:10:45
QUOTE(Jamatul_101 @ Nov 4 2006, 12:05 PM)
Finally, a person with common sense. Shocko, this person should be an example for you.
To Devlin: I didn't loose any respect to DEAD, because he didn't change one bit.
Basically, Shocko doesen't understand this idea: No pain, no gain.
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To Devlin: I didn't loose any respect to DEAD, because he didn't change one bit.
Basically, Shocko doesen't understand this idea: No pain, no gain.
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Shocko doesn't respect me anymore anyway, so he wont care.
QUOTE(mockdead @ Nov 4 2006, 12:06 PM)
then to me tat proves tat they werent exactly doing thar job, and they came across it by luck.
how is that justification for breaking a rule 16 timez?
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how is that justification for breaking a rule 16 timez?
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It is justified to me simply because it proves they weren't exactly doing their job. Granted, 16 extra accounts is going a little overboard, and I don't necessarily condone his behavior. This is just very intriguing to me and I am actually glad he did it to some extent.
EDIT:
QUOTE(Shocko @ Nov 4 2006, 12:09 PM)
Please, use normal english. You are not in Battle.net
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Please use proper English. You are not logged on to Battle.net.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by mockdead on 2006-11-04 at 14:11:32
QUOTE(Jamatul_101 @ Nov 4 2006, 03:08 PM)
Please, use normal english. You are not in b-net.
ADDITION:
SO you don't care what he did with it, you just care how he did? Well, that's quite understandable, since you seem not to like him.
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SO you don't care what he did with it, you just care how he did? Well, that's quite understandable, since you seem not to like him.
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i cant help but type dat way sometimes. evar heard of being a wigger?
and how can you justify rule breaking wit an excuse liek dat? its okay for peeps to break the rules and justify it with an excuse: "i was experimenting"?
how is day justified?