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True, we don't really know who is right. Let's call it a draw for now =P.

Pirate, don't waste your time arguing with this kid. His ego defense mechanism started running and he's now in the commonly known sarcasm/minor detail mode.

In the midst of this spam'n'flame war, I still have a question left unanswered: Is this about the meaning of our life, or life as a whole?

The snide comments you guys are making to eachother are bordering on flame. Please cut it out.

If I was really going to flame him, I would have started up in a rage several posts ago.

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That's already been answered twice. Just read the second page of posts.

I'm not sure if I should post while the soap opera is going on.

I think we're here to be fulfilled. I believe God is loving. Love by definition needs an object to love, so God created us to be the object of his love. I think that's our purpose - to be loved by God. I know we can find pleasure in lots of places but I don't think it's possible to be truly fulfilled unless we fulfill the purpose we were created for. So I think that's the meaning of life.


Hmmm... I'm not a believer that the meaning of life is to worship God, I just do it because I'm thankful.

I just wanted to say I respect all of your ideas about what the meaning of life is. So if you think we're here to reproduce and that's it, that's cool with me. I really am a strong believer that people should be allowed to think for themselves.

It's not that big of a deal. It hasn't even risen to flaming and a lot of people seem to be causing ruckus about it. You're making something dramatic out of something that isn't.

Affection is just one person admiring another person. If a god designed these emotions he/she would be above them.

You find purpose in believing in an all knowing being. I could just as easily say that my purpose is to eat pie, but I would only say that because I find pleasure in eating pie. No one finds a purpose in doing something that wont bring them pleasure.

I'm going to major in mathematics in college and I have observed that mathematics can explain every aspect of life, from maximizing area to predicting the position/speed/acceleration of a particle in space and time, and if you could predict the position just one little particle, they why cant you predict the to position of all the particles at any given time, according to einstein in a matter of fact, if you could predict the path that every particle is headed, then you could predict what will happen in the future...And if you could predict the future with precise accuracy, then why wouldn't you be able to explain every aspect of life including the meaning of life...if you could predict the path of every particle then you would know where it was in the pass, therefore, you predicted what happened in the pass. And if you go back far enough to the beginning of life, you could easily predict the meaning of life.

Also, i'm not saying that if you are or are not smarter then einstein but...if you are that smart, how do you compare the intelligence of two very intelligent individual, how do you compare einstein with newton, or Galileo with Hawkins

Sure, math probably COULD explain everything in life.
But, you would need so many variables and so many equations that it would be VERY difficult to process in any sort of timely manner. IE, you'd have to build the computer from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and wait the seven million years.

But no other species has ever been able to build computers and nuclear reactors and spaceships either. We humans have a chance at beating all the other life forms and surviving the Sun exploding, it's up to us to take it.

You can only cite Einstein if he held the same position and made the same argument on the matter as you. Otherwise he is irrelevant.

So...wait...let me get this straight...you actually believe this?

o.O

Okay, if both a normal person and a genius like Einstein tackled the same problem for the same amount of time, then the genius is more likely to come up with a better solution. However, if you are going after a problem the genius never decided to try, or have longer to think about it, or even just have some kind of inspiration (they do happen), it is certainly still possible to come up with a better solution than the genius does. It's not like Einstein has thought of every single thing every less intelligent person throughout human history has thought of, it would be essentially impossible for any human brain to do.

Right.

This seems like an overly pessimistic viewpoint to me...

Not necessarily. Have you ever heard about Godel's Incompleteness Theorem? Mathematics may be able to prove everything about our universe, but if there's a universe above ours it could run on a more powerful system that mathematics cannot deal with. In a very real sense, aliens living in that universe might be able to find very simple and perfectly logical solutions to problems no one could ever find a solution for in this universe. This may seem very strange (and it is), but it is far from impossible.

Then of course there's the possibility that there are places where logic doesn't apply at all. But that is much less likely.

No, just that no one has found one yet. Duh.

I'm still wondering, how can loving God or worshipping God or really doing anything pertaining to God in particular be an axiomatic purpose to or meaning of human consciousness?

Well, theoretically they could then apply them to themselves too.

That is possible, but everything's possible. If it has a very unlikely chance of existing then there isn't much reason to believe in it.
"Nothing should be presumed to exist than what is absolutely necessary."
Things like these are what fuels fallacious religious arguments.

But if a god were to create an emotion, the god would have already surpassed the emotion in order to understand what it is in the first place. I don't think that the god would revert to a simpler mindset.

I understand what you mean, but you mis-interpreted what I meant.
"smart (smärt) adj.
Characterized by sharp quick thought; bright."
If Einstien calculated the solution faster than the other person, that would define Einstein as "smarter" than the other person, no matter what.

He is relevant in the sense that he didn't know the meaning of life, showing evidence that it isn't likely that we will find any fruits of knowledge in this topic.

But the chance that it exists is not very unlikely.

It may not make sense, but that doesn't keep it from being possible.

Okay, but I still don't see why this means that if average people can come up with solutions that Einstein has automatically already done so and done it faster.

...which, from what I can see, agrees with your argument. That does not refute what I was saying.

Einstein was a theoretical physicist, not a philosopher. Also, he died 51 years ago, and there has been much philosophical study done since then. I mean, if you can say that about Einstein, why can't you say it about Archimedes or Aristotle? Certainly they were very intelligent people, but that doesn't prevent modern high school physics students from understanding more about physics than they did. It doesn't matter how smart you are, the information you have to work with depends on when you exist in human history. Archimedes and Aristotle just plain didn't have the information that, for example, atoms existed, or the speed of light is the speed limit of the Universe, and the equipment required to test those theories beyond simple speculation didn't exist for another 2000 years or so.

As happy as it is to think life has a meaning, there is none- ur alive- do whatever u feel- There is no god, there is no fate: go for the gold.

If there is a meaning to life, we can't really tell the way we are now. The meanings we have and the meanings we live by are what each of us give it individually.

I agree with this to an extent.

I don't see any sources on this, where did you hear this from?

Einstein was smarter than most people in terms of mathematics, I don't think he could have dominated in many other fields (although he is relevant to the meaning of life because he was an intelligent person overall). Einstein is dead anyways, so he can't be smarter than anyone anymore.

Everything has a meaning, there is no such thing as "no meaning". That would only be possible in other dimensions, and then it wouldn't be possible, which would create a paradox which is only possible in other dimensions, and then it wouldn't be possible, creating a vicious circle which is only possible in other dimensions, and if those dimensions exist then they aren't possible, which would only be possible in other dimensions.

I just pulled Einstein out because he was more intelligent than most other people, and because I don't know many philosophists. I admit it wasn't the best example to use. Also, fifty-one years and thousands of years are a significant difference.

I suppose so. The possibilities that a god can have are infinite so I guess I shouldn't delve into that anyways.

Meaning of life? Many will disagree but its science. DNA is coded so cells reproduce, on a larger scale, human beings. We reproduce and our brains through electrical energies tell us to do so. Just enjoy yourself along the way.

That is not the meaning of life. That is just one sub-goal that is restricted to the human race. Also, if you believe that many people will disagree with you then back your statement up with strong evidence, don't just state it.

Evidence? You want me to teach you all I know about biology, chemistry and the natural world?
It's the way DNA works, I say people will disagree because of thier devout and unwavering belief in god.

Biology and chemistry aren't really relevant to the meaning of life. Also, you shouldn't be so confident that basic education like that would grant knowledge of the meaning of life (because everyone else has taken them).

Well then, you should clearly understand after taking Bio that DNA builds organisms that live to spread.

Besides, I was making a less tangible point, I think that life is whatever you make out of it, its up to one what you do while in a pretty insignificant existence. I just hope other people enjoy it as much as I do.

the meaning of life... is... formed up in a equation. But not of equation of numbers but words.
Life + Mind - Die = There is no meaning to life.

I think there are the lucky few who can truly say that they are able to enjoy life as it is, and make whatever out of life.

I'll try to reach that point someday...

ya know, I replied to this lengthy looking topic, then I scroll back and read the very first post....

huh.

this topic really isnt a discussion. more like a spam.

What about single-celled life?