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Uhh, two things,
1. Menopause is where a woman can't have kids.
2. That's why we have orphanages.

Nobody cries when a parimecium dies, or when a grasshopper is stepped on. Nobody cries when a chicken's head is decapitated. But when it's something that is unsentient, can't feel pain, and has developed no memories, there's suddenly a huge controversy over it.

Fetuses aren't even human beings yet, just a collection of organic matter. We shave our fingernails and trim our hair all the time, they are as alive as a fetus but no one complains when we cut those parts of our body.

Why is it that it should only be the woman's choice? Why not the father's? He's in this as much as she is, except for that whole birth thing.

I have to say, that in non-rape scenarios (IE: the baby was the result of a consentual act by both parties), the father SHOULD be made a part of the decision. And I personally think that Abortion is not only an unalienable right, but it should be ENFORCED on some people.
Imagine where the world would be, if people with serious genetic defects weren't allowed to breed? Where people who were just plain dumb f*cks weren't allowed to breed? I was forced to leave my school because of people who should have been aborted because their parents couldn't teach them the word "Tolerance".
Perhaps the solution is that people whould have to pass a parenting test, recieve a parenting licence in order to procreate... But then, I'm sure somebody would about it.
From a scientific viewpoint, the only way the world will make any step towards perfection, is if we purge the undesirable elements from it through Euthenasia, Abortion and Sterilization.
Oh, and on the topic of Hitler, he was a great man, just misguided. Severely.

The concept you're talking about is called "eugenics". My hom state of Vermont had a eugenics program back in the '40s, and like one hundred retarded people voluntarily had themselves sterilized as a part of it.

What would you do with the illegal, non-card-carrying, back-alley birthings, Lomimbor?

Shoot anybody found guilty of it. After I shoot their illegal child. I'm a big one for emotional suffering, and my experiences with humans have stripped away any caring I might genuinely have for them.
In other news, I'm going to be announcing my bid for ruler of the known world any time now.

Drunk that's because nails and poop become... waste after years, but fetuses become you or me or even uncle bob after time... I believe the baby should be born and sent to an orphanage if they are raped... If not raped, the baby should be alive, it's sad killing life by abortions. It's like in the matrix they liquify the baby...



If they don't want babies... USE A DAMN CONDOM

HAVE SURGERY TO GET YOUR BALLS REMOVED

HAVE SURGERY TO GET YOUR EGGS REMOVED

DON'T KILL LIFE!

There is lots of eggs inside the female's ovaries (is that rite?) so you're saying that if you kill a female you are also killing hundreds of people's lives? In that case if i touch you and scraped one of your live skin cells off I've killed a life and is that wrong?

it must depend on the case

who are u jerry springer? btw thats outta context 1 skin cell can be remade in time but since everyone is different that baby couldve helped the world, it couldve cured cancer or sumtin, a skin cell cant do that

Right, but is brick a house? Is a slab of concrete the Hover Dam? Is a hunk of metal a machine? Is an undeveloped fetus a human?


Some of us do, but condoms do not guarantee contraception.


In order to have survived to the point we're at, many animal lives were killed for our food source. If these animals were never killed, we wouldn't be alive today. Everytime you wash your hands with antibacterial soap, you kill hundreds of germ lives (which no one seems to care, but when it's something that is unsentient, can't feel pain, and has developed no memories, and feels as much pain as a rock when you crumble it, it has much more merit).


Reminds me of a quote from a Christian woman. I forgot her name, but it went something like: "Any woman who does not have as many babies as she is capable of is guilty of murder."

You guys should care more about the cows . So many of them die every day...

Oh cha the skin cell can if you think about it, but thats irrelevant what I really want to say is that, eggs and sperm grow back too, its the same thing.. Cows dont grow back the parts you eat out of them. Save the cows!!!

I don't think anyone can teach a fetus the word "Tolerance". But you can try, it will be a bit strange talking into your wife's belly though. Ya you go do that, I'll sit in the corner listening to your screams of pain.

You guys say big chunky words that mean simple little things.
tchh, that's like saying you can't have sex if you are missing an arm, will you listen? No.




The answer lies within the cows.... The COWs....

[SIZE=14]Abortion Is Wrong[SIZE=7] Abortion is murder. If something or someone has neurological functions, they are definately alive. The fetus displays a good amount of neurological function before it's born like: kicking, moving, sometimes a bit of a jump, punching, etc. You may be asking how can I cosider plants alive if they don't have brains. Plants are alive even thougth they don't have brains like animals. They have parts similar to brains. They are like mini brains, each with it's own set of functions. They are not like normal organs because all they do is give commands to the cells. Bacteria and cells are alive because they have a part that functions like a brain. Besides, things don't need a brain to be alive. As long as the body maintains major functions (heartbeat, breathing,etc.) it is alive. Some say that the fetus is only alive after it exits the womb. Well, abortion is taking the fetus OUT OF THE WOMB. So technically, the fetus is alive during an abortion. The fetus dies (stops functioning and begind decomposing) a few minutes after it is taken out. So abortion is homocide. Not all people don't want to live because they are 'unwanted'. Many people that are unwanted aren't SISSIES and commit suicide. If the woman dosn't want the child, she can put him/her up for adoption. (Never reffer to a child as "it". A child, despite your views on abortion, is either a male, female, or in some rare cases a hermophrodite.)

Wow, so if I kill a snail I'm a murderer? What about a sunflower? Life is so plentiful that its value has diminished. As much as you want one human life to matter, it just won't happen. I don't see you railing against Bush for sending 900 American soldiers to die. Soldiers who had to grow up before they were killed. What a tremendous waste of resources, huh? How much work goes into creating a baby? Barely any. A little exertion, a broken condom, and BAM there ya go. Human life is cheap, especially life without a mind.

Here's my opinion on abortion:

It's utterly the women's decision. The baby relies on her for everything from food to blood and thus is just a part of the women that has the possiblity of being an independent human. It's not human until it can exist outside the women's body without any lifesupport. Your not killing anyone by aborting a baby, you are merely cutting something out of your body that you feel will ruin your life. Anyways, some aborted babies are put into stem cell research, which will (if supported) save millions of lives.

Kinda of like removing an appendix.

Not quite, but sorta. Really, the people against abortion have never been in a sitiation that demands it.

You can apply murder in many ways but the most common is when a human being kills another human being.

you can murder some weed, but then again you can say its gardening. It's all about concepts of what words you use.

Stop with arguments! Just post your opinions! You cant argue with a hypothetical statement.
Abortion is up to the pregnant women btw.
Argue only if the hypothetical question is very descriptive

EG: Is arbortion wrong if a woman is raped an gets pregnant?

Discussion involves arguement. Period.

Abortion is not murder because the fetus is not human yet.

You can't murder a weed because the weed is not sentient.

Abortion isn't wrong at all, if the baby can not survive outside the mother.

Sentience isn't a criteria for murder. Otherwise, you could legally kill me because I'm an apathetic extradorinare. And look, you made me sad!

Main Entry: 1mur·der
Pronunciation: 'm&r-d&r
Function: noun
Etymology: partly from Middle English murther, from Old English morthor; partly from Middle English murdre, from Old French, of Germanic origin; akin to Old English morthor; akin to Old High German mord murder, Latin mort-, mors death, mori to die, mortuus dead, Greek brotos mortal
1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
2 a : something very difficult or dangerous <the traffic was murder> b : something outrageous or blameworthy <getting away with murder>

From Webster.

A 'person' implys sentience.

No, a 'person' implies homo sapien. Saying a person is sentient therefore the definition implies sentience is a fallacy of composition. By your logic, I could say 'person' implies fingers, arms, eyes, or any characteristic of a person.

per·son
n.
1. A living human. Often used in combination: chairperson; spokesperson; salesperson.
2. An individual of specified character: a person of importance.
3. The composite of characteristics that make up an individual personality; the self.
4. The living body of a human: searched the prisoner's person.
5. Physique and general appearance.

From http://www.dictionary.com

There's a difference if you kill a cow and you kill a human. There are laws against killing humans, and there are fewer laws against animals. Most of us aren't animals (I hope), so stop comparing human lives to them.

I'm perfectly fine with killing slicing sperm and whatnot... Same with eggs. But once you add those together, they become... human. Let me repeat this again. Sperm and eggs alone are nothing... Once put together however, they become SOMETHING.

I don't know but I believe everyone should have a chance to survive in this world. Abortion to me is like killing someone. Even if you say fetuses are nothing, they will be eventually human. Killing someone in any stage of their life is wrong.

It's not my choice to choose if you should be fine or against abortion. If you love it, go ahead abort all you want, it's not my choice. For the men, it's not your choice either, it ultimately becomes the woman's choice because your the one that planted the seed in her.

I'm just saying what I believe about abortion, if you contrast with my ideas, then good for you. We aren't here to force people to join with our views, just say what our views are.

Why are we arguing anyway? Most of us never had this issue in our lives... yet. When it actually happens, then at least you'll have experience.

FYI Nozomu, I hate Bush. I always have and always will. (scratches head) Crap I just killed millions of skin cells. Although human life may be insignificant, murded is still illegal so abortion should be too. Abortion is like this: I draw a line and everything to the left is 'non-living' and everything to the right is 'alive'. Does that make any ing sense to you. It seems retarted to me. I could get rid of everyone I hate that way. P.S. The fetus does too have a brain. It may be tiny, but it's still a brain and brain+major body functions=alive.

ADDITION: Parasites are dependent beings but they are still alive. A tapeworm is feeding off of anything that i digest. It depends on me for nutrition but it is still alive. The baby is in a similar parasitic relationship with the mother. Just because the child isn't fully developed dosn't mean they are not alive. Handicaps are not fully developed and they're still living. No human should be deprived of a chance at life no matted how much of a whore the mother is. There is also something called adoption. Many adopted people live long, happy lives. Two of my neighbors are adopted and they are happy that they were. Their biological parents were in no condition to raise them. The child may not be independent, but it still is a consciouse and living being because it has a brain and shows major body functions. Why should he child pay for something that the mother did? Fact: Many men who impregnate a woman without wanting a baby did not use a condom or spermicide. The woman can just go through labor and put th kid up for adoption. Abortion is 100% unnatural, therefore it was not meant to happen. Being gay, handicapped, terminally ill, genetically mutated, or deformed is natural and ok to tamper with or try to change. [SIZE=14]If the woman dosn't want frickin' kids, why dosn't she get her tubes tied!?!?!? It costs about the same as an abortion and lasts longer!!! You guys forgot one thing.[SIZE=7] What I said does not mean I consider finger and toes living too. What i said goes like this: BRAIN + MAJOR BODY FUNCTIONS = LIVING BEING. Most murder laws apply to humans. The word murder applies to sentinent beings. Plants are not sentinent. The fetus is because it has a human barin. It just hasn't accumulated any knowledge yet. Just because something is legal dosn't mean it's right. In most countries, it is legal to kill the unborn child because you dont want him/her. In some countries it's legal to kill your wife because you don't want her. FACT: In many 3rd world countries, women aren't considered 'living'. They are property, tools of pleasure and housework. If a man kills a man in one of those countries, he gets a small fine or no punishment at all. If a man or woman kills a man, they are severely punished and even executed. Legaly it's okay there. But is it MORALY ok?

According to your logic, you are a murderer. That's right, those skin cells you killed by scratching your head could have become people someday if they were carefully nurtured and cloned in a lab.

Brain + major bodily functions = alive? Well, if we accept that then we have to accept the fact that when fetuses are just one cell or even 1000 cells they're not alive. How do you determine when a brain has been formed or not? Is it when it's recognizable under a microscope, or is it when a baby begins to think beyond stimulus-response reactions (if we ever do think beyond that . Who knows? )?