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Staredit Network -> Website Feedback, Bugs & Discussion -> -PETITION- : Down with the mineral system
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2004-12-15 at 14:30:42
Muhaha, copy everything from Neopets!

Why not ò.ô
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2004-12-15 at 14:40:44
QUOTE(Paella)
We should get IP to start a stock market mini game, like there is on http://www.wc3campaigns.com that would be much better than a raffle.

Such as this idea? smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2004-12-15 at 17:32:18
What would the stocks be based upon?
IE: In real life you buy stocks for Microsoft and stuff.

What would you buy here? A BeeR_KeG[eM] stock? And how would you know which stocks go up and which go down.

I have an idea.

Make stocks based upon users.

All users start with 5 stock of 5 random members.

Say I want 20 stocks of mine to be released into the market. Then I buy(create) 20 stock and start selling them, but the price of the other 10 stocks already flowing in the market will go down since all of the stocks of mine are the same value.

Stock value will be based upon a user rating system. If I rate IP with a 8/10 and his previous rating was 4/10 with 2 votes then his rating will be 5.33/10 which would make his stock worth 53.3 minerals(rounded to 53). New users with no ratings will start at 1. A user may neevr go below 0 or above 10 so it won't be abused.
Rating will be based on the quality of that member's posts.

Users may seel/buy stocks from other users much like in a way that is similar to the send money option in the store.

Stock will also have another "decay" factor. Once you have over 4/10 rating you will lose a point every day at Midnight Eastern time. Over 6 you will lose 2 and over 8 you will lose 3. That way the mods/very respected users won't be able to sit idle at 9/10. You would have to keep recieving votes in order to move up.

To do this we have a simple method. When you recieve 2 votes in one day in your first day you now have a total of 8/20. Sine the average is 4/10 at midnight it will be reduced to 7/20. The next day he doesn't recieve vites and he doesn't go above 4/10 therefore he won't lose points. This way the people with lots of votes won't have as much decay than others, and that way a single 10/10 vote won't mean as much as ten 9/10 votes since the second user will still be at 87/100 (8.7/10) and the first user is at 7/10.


The system I just thought of is pretty much cheat proof since one vote won't make that much of a difference, the economy will finally start moving since right now people are just stacking up mins and money will now actually be worth something.

We would still need at least one moderator for stocks if this is to be done. For now staff/admin could do it but as it grows we would need at least one specific moderator for that area.

My 8 minerals. Wierd that all of that is just 8 mins.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2004-12-15 at 17:40:08
Uhhh... sounds way too complicated.

Yeah, you get minerals to talk about minerals in this post smile.gif.

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What would the stocks be based upon?
IE: In real life you buy stocks for Microsoft and stuff.

What would you buy here? A BeeR_KeG[eM] stock? And how would you know which stocks go up and which go down.

Anything...
SEN Based:
STAR Starforge 30 minerals +2 minerals +15%
Starcraft Based:
SCWT Some Cool Weapon Trade blahblahblah
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2004-12-15 at 18:14:57
Yeah, it could be based on a File's downloads and views, but that is less cheat proof and the stocks wouldn't go down.
But there are some other good effects to this, people will download more files from the DLDB which is good.

This would be fine for now since my system is way more complicated but ti can be made during the summer(if you have free time)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shadow-Ninja on 2004-12-15 at 18:27:23
I like the mineral system the way it is, I use the armys and the zerg pets, but i also come here to learn more about triggers, whats wrong with having fun while map making? no minerals = no ling pets and the army will need to be redone and that wont be good.

ADDITION:
QUOTE(isolatedpurity @ Dec 14 2004, 07:36 PM)
Already in mind, kinda like how neopets does it  wink.gif

Although, I'll have to think of a resourceful method of stopping people from mindless refreshing.
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They do somthing like that on an anime forum i've seen its www.gaiaonline.com or www.gaia.com i forgot which and to lazy to check but every so often youl find somthing like a chest with an item in it or just a small amount of money but they made it so refreshing wouldnt work, you can refresh to get items you have to actually be "active" exploring the sites and actually participating in the forum not just looking for items
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shmeeps on 2004-12-15 at 22:46:18
Aight, I didn't read many posts, so don't be flaming me if I post stuff that someone else has before. Okay?

Aight, I think we should drop it. It was meant as a side fun script thing, but it messes everything up. So, this is my idea.

1. We should have MoV (Member of Value (Gay name, I know)) points. People who post good points and have good feedback from people get these. WIth it you can buy stuff. THis way, the mods, staff, and admins don't have to do things, just browse and listen to what other people say. It also discourages bad posts cause then they wont get any. And, with these you can buy the things, but they'll be like 1-5 MoV points. Problem solved on that.

2. SC Armies, set it somewhat like KoC. More people you have, more income you get. No matter what, you'll always have one person. Make this a serperate point value from the MoV points. That way that can't be abused. Problem solved there.

3. SC Pets. Have it like where you can explore and get pet points, somewhat like the SC whatever on on Trickz and stuff. Make it a different point from the other two, so it cant be abused either.

4. People that abuse the meber feedback system (Like continually putting in reports of buul censored.gif so people wont get points) will be punished, like loosing ALL there points, MoV, Pet, and Armies.


Okay, sum it up, you have different points for SC Armies, Pets, and posting GOOD posts. The points can't be abused so people who post censored.gif can't go messing around with SC Armies and get mins. They'll be encouraged to post good, contibuting posts.

So, any questions, comments, complaints about it, suggestions, anything?

Also, you want me to code it? I need the expieriance, so if you want I'll do it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KaboomHahahein on 2004-12-15 at 23:15:59
It's a good idea but what if someone post something that helps them but they don't say anything. Alos you might post in the wrong kind of help like a misunderstanding. You should get substracted minerals for doing something you didin't mean to. Not all your posts have to be helpful.

This alernative I think is still better than the one we have. I don't really care since I don't use my minerals.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2004-12-16 at 01:07:38
You know, I feel a good solution is you have income per day.
To increase it, you buy +1 Mineral in the SC Armies or Zerg Pets, and it costs 5 minerals, then 10, then 15, then 20, and so forth.

Also, have 'item points' system, in which every day that you come to SEN, you gain 'points' for whatever item you chose; once you reach a certain number, better weapons requiring more points, you get that item free.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SA_Max71 on 2004-12-16 at 02:04:27
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I think beer_keg's system would be better than yours, even if beer's system is complicated. I think this system is better because it is pretty much self supporting - it doesn't add any work to the mods. I think, however, it is much more simple than your system Shmeeps. You have a good idea though.
QUOTE(KaboomHahahein @ Dec 15 2004, 08:15 PM)
This alernative I think is still better than the one we have. I don't really care since I don't use my minerals.
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Really? Could I have your minerals? PLLLLZZZZZZZ????? wink.gif


Also, would it be possible to volunteer not to get any minerals when you make a post? Sometimes, I don't want to get any minerals when I post (like in this forum.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by mobomojo on 2004-12-16 at 02:27:03
Heres another idea, but itll probably require some overhauling.

It includes two factors, at the least.
First, pretend theres some kind of points system based on contribution. For example, new topic gives you +1, submitting map +5, admin or mod finds a certain topic or idea extremely innovative +10, and so on, whereas something like spamming nets you -3, harrassment -5, and on.

Everyone starts out with a simple number, like 20, and can go from -30 to 120 or as much as needed. This is where the minerals come in. Based on your ratings in increments of 10, you get a random amount of minerals in that range. Example: rating of 10-20 nets you between 8-12 minerals a day, 20-30 gives you 12-16 mins, and so on. Having a negative rating can actually take minerals away, although at a slower pace than gains. And of course, therell be limits set. But overall thisll reward those who have contributed lots of SEN.

Just an idea; we know itll never happen, but it helps to start somewhere.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by High on 2004-12-16 at 06:08:59
I still think my repuation system is good alternative, then maybe based on your rep you get a salary
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2004-12-16 at 15:02:03
QUOTE(mobomojo @ Dec 16 2004, 01:27 AM)
It includes two factors, at the least.
First, pretend theres some kind of points system based on contribution. For example, new topic gives you +1, submitting map +5, admin or mod finds a certain topic or idea extremely innovative +10, and so on, whereas something like spamming nets you -3, harrassment -5, and on.

Sounds like a somewhat alright idea... However, no points per submitting a map, it'll just lead to spammage of the dldb.
Still needs to be greatly developed into something more concrete.

It won't work for armies though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by 007Torrasque on 2004-12-18 at 13:54:49
True, But with Armies...Half Of the people Dont even try to participate, if i would have turned off my Army Setting early Enough... i could have about 1,000 mins right now disgust.gif
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