Staredit Network

You're a contestant.

well then...
can i quit being a contestant and be a judge?
im barely getting anywhere with my map anyway

Don't y'all understand, not just anyone can be a judge.

Kenoli still shouldn't of been disqualified for colors. Who cares! It doesn't matter, you just shouldnt add points for it. He put hard work in the map (probably) and now you disqualify him?

My personal opinion is that if StarEdit doesn't care, I wouldn't care. I remember the old days when I made maps with only StarEdit, in which almost all the maps I opened up gave an error that said "This scenario contains xx units that are invalid or not properly placed... ... The invalid units have been deleted." This message annoyed me very much, since I couldn't learn from maps that are missing core components. By contrast, I really liked maps that gave no errors, since opening them did not make shivers run down my spine wondering if I'm skipping out on some huge part of the map simply because someone thought it was cool to put buildings on water.

Now, I realize that the purpose of this contest would be different than my wish back then. However, I hope that the difference would not be too dramatic. I'd like to think that Syphon created this contest in order to bring back the good old maps that don't have square terrains, preplaced sprites, or extended units that have a "BLANK" wireframe. If that really has been the case, then I think you've all been fretting way too much over the use of third party programs. SCXE, in my mind, is only a patched version of StarEdit, offering versatility instead of complete customization like Starforge or Scmdraft. Colored text and format tags definitely improve legibility, and stacked text --combination of format tags-- is simply the icing on the cake (which I personally shun because of the redundant complexness). Extended units like vespene tanks can really broaden the limit of "items" in RPGs, Arenas, and more. The resourcefulness of extended AI scripts doesn't even need to be elaborated upon; most of us all know how much they can enhance a map.

In closing, I'd like to end my, uh... essay with a few suggestions. To the mappers: just follow the rules to the best of your judgement, you'll have a lot of fun; I know I am. To the judges: chill out, or you'll look really improfessional and even more people are going to resign from the contest. And to everyone: let this contest bring reminiscience, not resentment.

I thought that colors were not against the rules until AFTER he submitted his map. Am i wrong?

In response to PC-Fredz's "essay". I think he got the real point of syphon's tournament. Dead...i think you need to talk to syphon about this before you ban more people for stupid reasons. Btw pc-fredz...its unproffesional not improffesional. Lol, kinda ironic.

Colors were not against the rules if they knew how to do it. But after he submitted his map, they changed the rule

Every moderator is watching this by now i believe. There is no reason to report anything.

Indeed.

Btw, unprofessional. 2 S's and 1 F.

I wish i never said this. Look what happend...4 pages on it...holy mother of god

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LOLZ we both suck

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Also, because merrell has now become the staredit judge there should be NO ONE ELSE THAT DETERMINES IT. Your only creating arguments. Its like the supreme court. The supreme court determines if a law is unconstitutional and therefore, Merrell will determine if your map is "Staredit only-able".

this contest should have been "Use any editor you want, however only use features that are possible with normal staredit". IE allow color codes, they have been possible since shortly after SC came out, I remember the text file with the codes floating around like 5 years ago. Heck use SCXE or scmdraft or whatever if you like its layout more, just dont use the advanced effects.

of course my opinion doesn't count 8[

Mainly because they might accidently implement something they shouldn't.

Here is a list of alt-codes: 7, 18, 19, 179, 191, 192, 196, 217, 218, all look like the color/overlap tags, but I haven't been able to successfully input them into staredit yet via the alt-code method - they don't seem to be part of staredit's font. Most alt-codes in staredit give one of { ?, +, - }, and are pretty useless.

NB: to input alt-codes, hold alt and type the number into the numpad.[codebox]1☺
2☻
3♥
4♦
5♣
6♠
7•
8◘
9○
10◙
11♂
12♀
13♪
14♫
15☼
16►
17◄
18↕
19‼
20¶
21§
22▬
23↨
24↑
25↓
26→
27←
28∟
29↔
30▲
31▼
32
33-47 various punctuation marks
48-57 digits 0-9[i]
58-64 [i]various punctuation marks
65-122 alphabet A-Z and a-z
123{
124|
125}
126~
127⌂
128Ç
129ü
130é
131â
132ä
133à
134å
135ç
136ê
137ë
138è
139ï
140î
141ì
142Ä
143Å
144É
145æ
146Æ
147ô
148ö
149ò
150û
151ù
152ÿ
153Ö
154Ü
155¢
156£
157¥
158₧
159ƒ
160á
161í
162ó
163ú
164ñ
165Ñ
166ª
167º
168¿
169⌐
170¬
171½
172¼
173¡
174«
175»
176░
177▒
178▓
179│
180┤
181╡
182╢
183╖
184╕
185╣
186║
187╗
188╝
189╜
190╛
191┐
192└
193┴
194┬
195├
196─
197┼
198╞
199╟
200╚
201╔
202╩
203╦
204╠
205═
206╬
207╧
208╨
209╤
210╥
211╙
212╘
213╒
214╓
215╫
216╪
217┘
218┌
219█
220▄
221▌
222▐
223▀
224α
225ß
226Γ
227π
228Σ
229σ
230µ
231τ
232Φ
233Θ
234Ω
235δ
236∞
237φ
238ε
239∩
240≡
241±
242≥
243≤
244⌠
245⌡
246÷
247≈
248°
249∙
250·
251√
252ⁿ
253²
254■
255 [/codebox]

And here is a list of color/overlap tags that work (the colours may change around, but the marks are the same):
[codebox]
blue
 blue
 green
 lightgreen
 grey
 white
 red
 invisible
 back over
 front over[/codebox]

In any case, I think it pretty silly to get so worked up about such an insignificant thing as colours - I understand that the contest was meant to offer the challenge of using only staredit, but people were copying and pasting these codes from very early on. What's more, the judges can simply choose to ignore the colours when playing/examining the maps - if a map requires colours in order to make sense (which is rare but possible), then mark the map down, but don't go round disqualifying everyone.

on my dad's comp with my editor it shows the real symbols of the color tags not just the lines
but hes always on it so i cant really get on that computer to try to match the symbols from my dad's com pt to biskit's list

It's weird. After reinstalling WinXP (or back when I had Win98), I always see vertical lines for the tags. After using XP for a while, the vertical lines change into the actual symbols. Maybe I installed new fonts when I installed Openoffice.org, I really have no idea.

I know for a fact alt functions may or may not work depending on the font. They don't CHANGE, but the ones that work do. I don't know if staredit font goes off your computers font or its own font. If it goes by its own font then you can never use alts to get color codes into staredit. If it goes off your computers font then you can find the correct font that allows the right alt functions.

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And for whoever said it...you DO get minerals for posting in news. I get some...and if you look next to news then there is a picture of a mineral and its not crossed out.

I bet most of these pages are about colors..

Did Deathknight really say that? I could have sworn it was a little more like:You shouldn't change the rules and kick people out at your every whim, especially over such a trivial detail. (and especially so long after the contest started) The colors only improve the look of the map.

Thanks.

PS: DEAD, you're an imbecile.

Unfortunately, due to human nature, that comment will simply be challenged by an insult he'll throw back at you. That'll really make him change his mind about the rules.

If anything, it makes the map longer to make, and tests your patience, adding whichever colors that you need, of if there is a color pattern you wish to follow.



Absolutely, because we can ALWAYS change people's minds about something that isn't actually their responsibility. Kudos to ye, kudos.



Sadly, they are. Now Syphon has removed them because of some people's spam, mostly as a result fo the people that don't bother to reach the entire thread.



Yeah, one does get minerals. Not that it really matters. And it was Sniper who said it, incase you wanted to know.



Probably not, because the person running the contest...
Isn't actually running the contest. It's kind of like...
Louis XVI to Marie Anntoinette, or Bush to Cheney. The guy in charge isn't actually in charge.

Yes, yes keep insulting me for nothing. I didn't make the rules. And I suggest you to quit tournament if you can't take the rules. Or next time don't bother to join .

Colors were not allowed by default.

I also hear that someone said that colors make map look better. Well, so do everything else extended. Am I wrong?

I changed it, the people who already have colours can leave them but unless they are absolutly needed don't putt them in.

I will let join rejoin kenoli, I acted to fast.

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To everyone else, shut the hell up and the codes. That is all.

Huh?

Due date used to be Oct. 31, and it said "spooky".

It's my own private joke.