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Alright, alright.

I accept the fact that you are fanatically puritan, and I agree that the pomp and ceremony of the Catholic church is probably unecessary, but I think that it would be a tragedy for art and architecture if the Catholic church had never existed.

By the way, if Henry VIII had never wanted to divorce Catherine of Aragon - puritanism would probably not exist. At least not in America.

Christianity is going to fade and die. It's an old thing trying to explain the world and man with wonderous stories of both symbolism, exaggeration, and history. Although it was so very important for the formation of modern culture, it's lost it's purpose. All these scientific innovations, and the increasing acceptance of more and more things that were once taboo, people have stopped following it so rigorously. I think that man needs an explanation for it so he can sleep at night. Who made the lightning? The lightning god. What makes the sun move? The sun god. We'll give them offerings so they stay happy. Then man learned about the rotation of the Earth and positive and negative ions. Bye bye Sun God, bye bye Lightning God. Christianity isn't nessecarily a bad thing, it's simply an old thing. Think about it, every now and then, new innovations come to computers, so they get better, more convient, more powerful, and more effective. Why keep a computer from twenty years ago? Ever consider that Gods are just dreams, that they exist as long as they are worshipped, and cease to exist when there's no one left in the religion? No, that's heresy! Get the wood, get the stakes, burn the witch! Isn't it a great world we live in?

TheoreticalHuman, your post was absurd and totally retarded. What you said makes NO sense what so ever. I thought Christianity was getting bigger(now 48% of the world's religion) Anyways, I want to hear YOUR explanation for earth existing. Go ahead and try me.

And your point is...?


Then you admit what you think is simply an explanation, and is possible to be wrong.


LiNkAgE! Please.


So, what about the thousands of other religions?
Why do you want to go to heaven? What awaits there?

Cheeze, you bring up some....I won't lie your post makes no sense. I said "YOUR EXPLANATION". Meaning whatever he(or whoever answered) would be wrong. Also, what about those other religions? I didn't get your point there. Also about Christianity taking over, the guy before me said it was going out of style and it would be forgotten. So I was proving to him that it wasn't true.

Hah, I guess you're the only one in the whole world who makes sense. Must be loney in your tower.

Theoretical Human, I get what you're saying. You've read Another Roadside Attraction, right?

It (Christianity) is fast going out of style in Europe. I'd say that less than 10% of the 'Christian' population in my country go to church once a week.

The only people I've seen in church in the UK are old people. I think that Christianity may well die out in this country within 100 years. After all, it is only the oldest generation that goes to church here.

Which means, your "arguement" is simply an explanation also. While we have explanations, it is far simplier and easier to understand.


Yeah, other religions. What about them? What automatically makes them wrong?


Yes, it is being forgotten. I don't remember where I read this, but United States is the only country in the world that is still very religious.
Which means...

Is not true. Sorry, but I know lots (and I mean lots) of young people who worship god and stuff like crazy. I mean, half of my class was shocked when I told them I was atheist.


Since I don't want to post nothing, BLAH, I wish I knew that earlier CaptainWill.

Yes, but you don't live in the UK.

Umm cheeze that doesn't make me wrong. Also, I NEVER said al other religions were wrong. I said Christianity has the most RIGHT to offer. So you are confused(poor child). Also, my argument isn't an explanation. They are facts straight form the Bible. And whatever you read was wrong. Japan is actually the most religious. They attend studies and such most of their day. Recheck your information.

Never said you were.


Never said you did.


Well, I just created a religion (but you don't know that, because you believe it's thousands of years old) and it offers a great eternal life after death. Would it appeal to you then?

Unless I'm understanding you wrong, if so, define "RIGHT".


Whoa, you're like, mind reader, define "RIGHT".


Yeah, well my facts are pulled from science articles from around the world, all of them peer-reviewed by leading scientists from around the world, all arriving at the same conclusion.


Yes, studies does not equal religion.

Cheeze stop palying dumb. Studies OF religion. And you knew that you just thought you would make a stupid little side comment. Anyways, you said "what makes them automatically wrong?" By that many people including me would assume you mean I THINK they are wrong. Well I don't just Christianity has the most things "right"(meaning things form the Bible) that are biblically correct. And your religion(based on your posts) is most likely one of you trying to be funny and ending up making a fool of yourself. Anyways, unless you are going to make sense I won't respond.

I've got one word to say to that:

Gah.

*CaptainWill wishes these forums weren't moderated so he could express his opinions in full, without holding back.

So, you're saying you accept the things that has the most evidence?

Why not science? Reasons, I don't want to list, but it's self-explanatory.

Also, I don't have a religion; all religions I make are simply used as an example for me to explaining something better. Unfortuantly, you're not understanding any of it.


Hey, maybe you should try thinking about my posts rather than just randomly saying stuff.

Indecisiveman you said that christains should be active recruiters of our religion and frankly your doing a horrible job. Insulting me and saying I represent Catholism poorly? and Catholism and Christianity are very different?? WTF are you doing/saying boy??? All Catholism is, is a method/way of certian people trying to reach God/heaven, THATS IT. AND WHY DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CATHOLICS PRAISING SAINTS/MARY???? HOW WE PRAISE SAINTS/MARY IS JUST LIKE YOUR MOTHER PRAISING YOU FOR GETTING A GOOD GRADE ON A TEST. WE ARE SHOWING THEM THAT THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE!!!!! WE DO NOT WORSHIP THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ing shit. I have had it trying to be calm with you, you flaming little shit. (calming down now) ok Im cool now just had to get that off my chest. There is NOTHING in the bible thats says Catholics couldn't praise Saints and Mary. and there is NOTHING in the bible that states that it is bad to praise the Saint and Mary. YOU and I and lots of other people around the world praise each other each day for lots of reasons, you may praise your friend for inviting you over to hang out. IT IS NOT WORSHIPING. And what would you know about being a good Catholic? You your self just said 'Friends' tell me about being Catholic. Before you start saying crap like that you should WALK into a Catholic church and talk to the Priest and sit down and attend a Mass and such and actually learn FIRST HAND what we do. To me, being a good Christian (what ever sect you belong to) is how you live your live in a good manner and your own personal relationship to god. NOT how smart you are about the texts of the bible. ME AND YOU ARE BOTH CHRISTAINS, only difference is how we try and reach heavn and how we create our own personal relationship with God.

I also admit that my patience is being stretched to its limits.

All sects of the Church, Judaism and Islam, worship the same god (essentially). The only difference is in how these various groups try to reach that god.

In Christianity, this god is called 'God,' in Judaism, he is 'Yaweh' and in Islam, 'Allah.'

Same god, different name.

That said, I think indecisiveman has something against the Catholic church because he thinks that praising the saints breaks the 'no idolatry' commandment.

Anybody read His Dark Materials, btw? It's very thought-provoking on these kind of issues.

In Christianity our God is called Yahweh too, but its spelled like YHWH or something like that I don't know how its spelled.

It was spelt like that because originally the thought was that it was heatheness to call on him by name.

HE knows what's gonna happen to us, we dont though.


Wrong. Christianity is not even close to dying. In many parts of the world it could be (mainly in those "advanced" and developed areas). But other countries and continents are being drawn towards christianity. Maybe not growing fast, if any, overall. But it's not dying.


.. that christianity isn't dying. Simple as that


Well, he simply chose not to follow the other religions. What awaits in heaven is paradise. It's a much much better alternative than hell, which is a living... hell.


Because none of them really seem to work out for him. And if you look at some other religions, like buddhism, you'll see that not all the gods are truly good guys. Some of them have bad tempers and really scare the shit out of you. A buddhist environment has lots of big temples with big weird looking dragons and big guys with beer bellies. With their teeth hanging out making scowls and hissing mouth gestures. It doesn't look like a peaceful environment.
Now if we look at the christian environment... what do we see? Hmmm, jesus? Mary? Couple disciples and wise men offering things and doing peaceful acts? Nothing "exotic" or "intense." Nothing would scare the shit out of you or make you feel uncomfortable. It's an environment that makes you feel very good and relaxed. That's another reason why people prefer christianity over some other religions.


Not really. Maybe the ideas people have about christianity are slowly being distorted, but not forgotten or ditched.



You gave him the feeling he was wrong or did w/e. It's doesn't matter what your purpose was; it's the effect that matters.


No it wouldn't because first of all, you'd be the "God." You're not an all powerful being, you're not an all-knowing being. You didn't create the universe, you didn't create the human brains. Infact, you probably couldn't even take on a sumo wrestler.


Well, where's the documentation? I dont see any sources listed after any of your "facts."

What makes them "facts?" You're saying they're irrefutable pieces of information just cuz they're approved by leading scientists all over the world? I'm sure there are many many pro-christianity "facts" also approved by leading scientists all over the world that belie those which you claim you documented. What makes the antis right and the pros wrong?


studies as in like learning lessons and things taught in the Bible and prayer groups. That's what every religious society consists of.


If you really want to express ur opinions, do so. Just keep it to a dull roar and try not to go out of contol


He's accepting the religion which has the most evidence.

Science isn't a religion my friend.

Claiming you are "atheist" is like you claim you are someone that follows a certain belief/idea, which would also be what christianity/buddism/islam/etc are. Technically it would be a religion since there is a name for the idea/tradition that you follow which is not believing in God, but then again it's probably not a religion because you dont actually believe in a higher entity or w/e


Maybe you guys should cut out with the sarcasm and satiricality and be rational and not go out of control.


Really it doesn't matter how different catholicism and other branches of christianity are. We should all be happy and be thankful that we have all chosen to follow God and be saved!! There's no need to go all out at each other just cuz of some minor differences we possess.


He just doesn't feel comfortable with some minor things catholicism does. That doesnt mean he's against catholicism. Infact, he's really happy for catholicism. Because they praise God and worship him, it totally matches indecisives beliefs and ideals.

I believe I answered this question already...
It is my belief that God can see many passages we can go down all at once. Every little thing leads down another path. So, we have free will to choose the path, but he knows all the solutions before we get there.

He's going to disagree with you.
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I was going to say something else, but I've forgotten it.

It was something about the rational thought not emanating from the theists around here.

Chris just so you know you got reported. Back to the topic. I know you say you "praise" the saints and mary but what you are actually doing is saying that they are high ranking people who need to be acknowledged for doing certain things. That takes away form you praising God. And no I don't have anything against catholics. It is one topic on which I know much about because I HAVE been to a few masses. So don't tell me what I have or have not done. Anyways, I hope you guys can stop flaming(Chris) and start discussing things like real people. Captain, you have some very good arguments. I am getting angry that you are starting to just say stuff about ME instead of the topic. Oh BTW I just read your post MillenniumArmy. Thanks a bunch and yeah actually you hit it right on the mark. There are still SOME good people in this world.

*CaptainWill explodes like a punctured blimp

I know that we shouldn't bring personality into a debate (ad hominem attacks), but I really must express my deepest concern at the way in which you argue your case, indecisiveman.

It is intolerant, uncompromising, self-righteous, patronising and, above all, obnoxious.

I am finding it increasingly difficult to deal with this kind of debating style, as it is pointless (and dull) to refute the same arguments over and over again ad nauseam. I have tried to be civil, but you're pushing it with your frenzied aggression, repetitive attacks and constant put-downs.

You don't want to see the Hyde side of my personality, do you?

EDIT: 1000 minerals - w00t!

Captain, I am guessing if you were put in my situation you would feel the same. How about if I go around poking holes in your study? I am guessing you would try to dispute them as well. And when you were finally right and everyone ignored your post and began flaming at you for saying something you would get angry. Imagine this happening many times. I admire your concern with me but I tell you it is the people I am debating with. Notice when you make posts(ones that MEAN something unlike a few other people) I argue as anyone would. Just make my point and move on. But when people began attacking "you" instead of your arguments it gets irritating. Anyways, thanks for being concerned.

Yeah, just like how you know that he knows what I know. You should probably explain to me how you know that he knows what I know and what will happen to us. Simply saying "because he's god" isn't an arguement.


Explain this paradise. While you're at it, explain hell, because I don't know if it's better or not simply because you said it's a paradise.


Well, a God who threatens you to go to hell or believe in him doesn't seem all that merciful to me. A person who has followed all the laws of god except believing in him still goes to hell. I never understood why this is; this person has done all the good deeds, he lived his life to the fullest extant. Why would the great and merciful God send him to hell?


I see lots of people threatening others or else they will be sent to hell. People died in the bible lots of times through the most painful way. Rape and slavery and such are promoted, etc. Looks pretty bad to me.


Then it was he who made the mistake. Next time, don't misinterpert my ideas.


You missed the entire part in my parenthesis. I specifically said you did not know those things and applied it by saying it was like chrisitianity, thousands of years old and adored by billions. Of course, you don't have the brain power to think of such a thing. I mean, how much of your ideas would change if you found out that your religion was just some crazy man's idea?


Facts - Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy. (www.dictionary.com)

Take note, real occurrences. This means observation, ability to recreate the experiment or evidence from our universe. Almost every single scientific theory is backed by at least one of these, if not all three.

I don't even know why I'm explaining to you why we should listen to scientists. You can deny their ideas all you want, but you know the evidence is there.


Correct, you can accept science and a religion. I guess the better words should have been the scientific method. Why not support that?


Dude, sarcasm rocks!

It actually sort of brings the voice out instead of just reading boring text.