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Don't post in my own thread? Odd request...I asked you to make it clearer what you wanted. At this point it seems as if you want a re-occuring, one sentence definition of why there is a Bible. based on Kirby's long summary and your short one-liner that is. If you don't want to accept my answer as true then don't. but you don't have to disregard it. It would be like me saying "No Dark you are not right just bequiet." Although on many things I could say that I don't because I take your comments and learn from them. just a last minute answer.

You're still taking the wrong parts of the information and being Indecisive. Goodnight.

How do they connect Darkblade? Maybe if you weren't trying to be so fancy by using the word "vindication" in such a weird place I might understand.

Err, now then. If by "purpose" you don't mean...why it was made(which is the definition of purpose...go figure ) then I don't know what you mean. Restating that I am misreading your sentences isn't going to help. I specifically asked for this topic not to turn into a debate. It was merely meant for people to ask questions. As you have done. yet when answered you continue to ramble on...about what I am not sure.

Main Entry: theme
Pronunciation: 'thEm
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English teme, theme, from Middle French & Latin; Middle French teme, from Latin thema, from Greek, literally, something laid down, from tithenai to place -- more at DO
1 a : a subject or topic of discourse or of artistic representation b : a specific and distinctive quality, characteristic, or concern <the campaign has lacked a theme>
2 : STEM 4
3 : a written exercise : COMPOSITION <a research theme>
4 : a melodic subject of a musical composition or movement
- themed /'thEmd/ adjective

By this we clearly see that a theme is "a specific and distinctive quality...". Which means something that repeats in a storyline to make something stand out more. For instance the theme of Communism is "Everyone is equal".

Main Entry: 1pur·pose
Pronunciation: 'p&r-p&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English purpos, from Old French, from purposer to purpose, from Latin proponere (perfect indicative proposui) to propose -- more at PROPOUND
1 a : something set up as an object or end to be attained : INTENTION b : RESOLUTION, DETERMINATION
2 : a subject under discussion or an action in course of execution
synonym see INTENTION
- on purpose : by intent : INTENTIONALLY

By this we also clearly see that a "purpose" is something that is to be attained. The purpose for having Drug-Free days is to stop drugs.

The purpose and/or theme of the Bible(based on these definitions) is God is real. There isn't any other theme to it. You can agrue that God is trying to make clear He rules us but it just won't work. He is NOT saying that. It seems as if you are looking for one answer and rejecting all others. As you stated Well if you aren't looking to change your answer then your question won't be looked at. Again in my first post I stated I did NOT want a debate. You ask a question, you get an answer. You don't like the answer, then just leave it at that.

I have a question. Where in the bible does it say sex outside of marriage is a sin?

In many of Pauls Letters in the New Testament. Dont remember the exact books but i do remember reading them somewhere...

Christians: Explain the Dinosaurs.

Fk if you could be a little more specific. Explain dinosaurs as in what our opinion is on them? When we think they existed? Where in the Bilbe it talks about them? Explaining about dinosaurs isn't related to Christianity so I am sure you had something else in mind. I just can't answer to that because it isn't specific. Thanks

There really is no specific question attached.

Why does genesis never mention the dinosaurs?
What about 7th Day Creationists, who believe the world was litterally created in 7th days? Why are there bones from dinosaurs before men walked the earth?
What does the Bible say about them?

I see. A very broad question...but I guess through "debate" we can unravel its mystery. Well here is MY personal belief. I(and this is quite obvious I should hope...) don't believe in scientific "evidence". Well heck they think some little organisms evolved into human beings...and those humans stayed exactly the same for "millions" of years. uh huh...Anyways, I don't think dinosaurs lived before man. According to the Bible we were made after them, but only a few days(was it two?). As for those people who think "days" refers to a long period of time, it doesn't seem right. if we look at why God made the earth in 7 days it was to show us our week. We work 6 days and rest to worship Him on the seventh. As for the Bible mentioning dinosaurs, I don't recall it ever saying that. Leviathan...oh Leviathan...people think this means dinosaur, when in fact it would just mean a whale!!! Now of course whales don't walk land so maybe not. A rhino could be a Leviathan for all we know. Why DOESN'T Genesis mention dinosaurs? I don't remember Genesis mentioning the panda bear....you see it doesn't make sense. Just because it isn't mentioned doesn't mean they don't exist. I tried my best to come up with the "right" answer but I feel I left your questions unanswered, oddly. In my opinion, dinosaurs aren't mentioned in the Bible, perhaps they aren't even real!!! "scientists" may have just put bones together and made them up(I mean they thought they created 300 million times the sun's heat in a lab!!!). Anyways, hope that helps.

In genesis, it mentions that God Created All animals on the 6th (or 5th day). And most of us christians assume that God's definition of "day" would be more like Millions of years (or at least that's what some of us conclude from some descriptions in the bible somewhere...). So basically when God created all animals, the dinosaurs were also made back then. But when it was time to make humans, dinosaurs died out. Cuz remember it said "God was not completely pleased with what he's created" so then he made us humans after he casted down a huge meteor to erradicate all dinosaurs.

That's equivalent to me asking you, or your beloved science:

1)Why is the dirt brown, and grass green
2)What's at the center of the earth?
3)If the earth stops spinnning will we no longer be able to hear?
4)What actually did create the earth, and what put it into orbit?
5)Why does the earth have the exact amount of resources, and specifications we require?

I could go on and on, but the point is that the bible states that it is:ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW FOR YOUR OWN LIVES, AND YOUR HISTORY OF HUMANS.

In other words, it tells us only what we NEED to know, it doesn't tell us stuff that's pointless for us to recognize. That is from the bible my friend(the book of Paul, Daniel, And 1st Timothy[dont ask what scripture ]).

ADDITION:

Chaos, you're still not listening to anyone else!

I(and kirby) have stated John:316 shows the theme of the bible(yes i got the wording wrong, i stated by wordings might be off)

John 3:16 is the theme, tho i used the word vindication slightly wrong, it is the theme(kirby, you didn't prove me wrong you just added another point of view).

Chaos when i said i wasn't changing my damn point of view, i was talking TO KIRBY, NOT IN GENERAL(YOU DIPSCHIT).

As I said before indecisive, you don't have enough knowledge to try and teach people about the bible(nor do I). And this time when you post-
DO NOT TWIST MY ING WORDS!

So Army I have proof that God meant earth days. Well then, in Genesis(this may not be all the substantial proof you need but it is why I believe what I do) it says...

Genesis 1:5 "God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day."

Clearly it is set that it means earth day. Unless millions of years are broken up into segments of light and segments of day? Think not. As we know it turns light and darkness ONCE every "day". As it was when God created the earth. That should be clear enough to understand.

Edit#1: After reading your blatent post, dark, I must say I am appauled. John 3:16 is not the theme. You also can't just MAKE it the theme because you want it to be. I have plenty of knowledge of the Bible to teach others. I believe you have a set mind of what you think is right, and you won't change it. Talking to Kirby or talking to me, the words were still spoken. "I want to eat pizza, John." "I wasn't talking to you George I am only hungry for pizza with John." Obviously that won't work here.

Ok Indecisive, check this out.

Vindication can mean purge(removing of evil) or realization, OR to proclaim.
So then i wrote...
This is somewhat of a summary of John 3:16 because John 3:16 says...


Now through MY studies(Which by the way would explain why i have my own opinion and views on things seperate to yours or others). I have learned that:
1)God is meant to rightfully rule mandkind. However Jesus will have a 1000 year reign over mandkind after the "resurrection".
2)Realization of God's kingdom means to believe in god, and believe in jesus christ.
3)if you read farther through to John 3:18 it says

So naturally you must REALIZE god's right to rule mandkind, as well as PROCLAIM your beliefs in the bible. In other words Learn and Apply.
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So then.... What I said is saying...
1)God has the right to rule over mandkind.(Need a support scripture? I got 2)
2)You must proclaim your belief in God's right to rule, and the realization of his only begotten son Jesus Christ.(I mean what Jesus Did.)
3)And of course the obvious theme which is to Study God's word.

Now if you have any complaints or questions, or feeling on what i posted, do so without getting snobby and ill-mannered indecisive.

Challenge: Give an alternate Theme to the Bible and i will give you 200 minerals[open to anyone].

rofl...he called me a scientist...
Maybe Nozomu will stop by...hehehehe

You're setting yourself up for disaster by debating like this.
first: there are people who can tell you the answers to those questions.
second: Assuming anything is bad for your health. I'm not into the science scene.
third: Get some background information on the people you're 'debating' with. I asked a question; I did not cut down your faith in any way
fourth: atheists and the ilk love it when we get defensive like that. They see it as a falacy in our debate.
fifth: its impossible to debate against an atheist or their ilk by citing the bible, since they do not believe in it.

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Now. Let's look at what the bible says about the creation:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
Self explanitory. Do we have any records that the earth that is speaking of is on the same plain as the earth we live on now? Didn't God create Eden first as the only place for humans to live until we screwed that up?
A few more important things happened. Next slide please...

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."



27 So God created man in his own image,

in the image of God he created him;

male and female he created them.
Another inference that Eden is on this plain; but since there is never any specifications what the animals looked like (or the humans for that matter; supporting some sort of evolution idea. That is another topic), they could have been the dinosaurs, or they could have been made on another plain of reality. Animals were made before humans.

Does that make sense? Either the animals eluded to are dinosaurs, or else the animals were created on another plain of reality.

When I said Your Beloved Science I was referring to how you
(Of course i was assuming) believe science proves everything.

Another thing is, I'm not a christian, catholic, or any of those "religons".(though i find the answer to many of our questions as simple as A god). I just study a few points of the bible, and pointed out how bleak your point was.



Answering in order:
First:I was just Pointing out how many questions i can ask of you, as you can ask questions of me. I can ask questions that havn't been answered as you can ask me questions that havn't been answered yet. And as this has to do with the "Bible", i already stated that the Bible gives us the Knowledge that is required for us to know of, anything excessive is not mentioned in the bible. Once again, we can both ask endless amounts of questions that neither Science nor the bible have given answers to. So continuing that point is probably Pointless.

Second:
Now that I know that, I'll make sure not to state that .

Third:
My Faith you say? I am not picking a debate with anyone, just felt like attempting at answering a question. Nor do I care how good of a debater you are.
(bring it on )

Fourth:
Come again on me to the fourth point, i misunderstand.

Fifth:
This is a forum for decussing the bible, so if you post a question and don't expect someone to use a bible to answer you, you can do these things-

*Not Post(not recommended)
*Post and question the response people give to you
*Post and have your question answered(reccommended by me)

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Though the bible says god created man in his own spitting image, the bible also says god is a Spirit. And he created the SUN through himself(as a part of himself) that we use for our everyday life, and life the of planet. And thinking that we can't even look at the Sun shows how powerful it must be. If we were in god's same image, it would mean we look, and are just like him. I believe(through thorough study) that "His own spitting image" was referring to how much effort he put into us. Because the bible also says we were created from the very worldly things of the earth, and (not sure on this, but pretty sure) that god was not created on the earth. Yet I can not prove this because i do not know the scriptures to prove it, but maybe tomarrow or tonight i'll feel like reviewing the Bible a bit.

And about animals being made before Humans, the ones of this planet were probably made near the same time, or before us. So you could be correct I am too lazy to look for it .

Hope this was helpful information .

True, but i think that passage from Genesis is describing our days, not his. He says that on that "day" he was defining the two different components of an earth day; light being day and darkness being night. I dont think that doesn't mean that that "day's" time was equivalent to an Earth Day. But neways, just my thought

Wow Darkblade, you're making this too easy for me:

Good shall triumph over evil.

One thing you need to realize, is the ENGLISH (from english class) meaning of the word "theme". It means, "A universal truth or perspective, ebbed in a piece of literature." If you think of your statement as a circle, then think of my theme as a more detailed circle with half of my circle inside yours.

Throughout the Bible, the Israels were a wreck. They kept disobeying God. Even though they turned from God, He almost always vanquished their captives and oppressors. Even when Satan constantly harassed Jesus, good pulled through. And here we are, as CHRISTians. In Revelations, evil seems to have finally conquered, but God defeats them most valiantly.


Also Darkblade, I have realized two errors:
1) All my other statements were indeed summaries.
2) BUT, your statement is more of a conclusion than a theme!

Let me explain myself.

This is a conclusion:

This is a theme:

Now tell me Tdnf, does "Now through MY studies(Which by the way would explain why i have my own opinion and views on things separate to yours or others). I have learned that:" sound more like a conclusion statement or a theme statement.

How about "So naturally you must REALIZE god's right to rule mankind, as well as PROCLAIM your beliefs in the bible. In other words Learn and Apply"? Does that sound more like a theme statement or a conclusion statement?

*does the Kirby dance* Min min... Min ner rals!

Define good. Define evil. Make sure they are defined in a way that is not based on opinion.


I don't understand why God would create evil. If he's so "good", why create the opposite? If good must exist with an equal force of the opposite, then good is the creator of evil, thus it cannot be good by someone who sees both sides.

Why don't you?


Who said that he created evil? Satan may be evil, but he turned evil through his onw will. If that's not what you mean, then explain.


Kirby was wrong and admits it! *snapshot*

Yes, it is a conclusion, but it is also a theme .
Behold, As you said Humans(israelites) kept messing everything up for themselves, so each time god had2 clean it up. Now over time people started realize..."Hey when we are under the rule of god nothing bad really happens...but when these pharoahs and kings take over, we got bad shit goin down." This states the part of my words that says"Realization of God's right to rule mandkind". Why? according to the bible, no one else has been doing a good job.

And of course, besides the whole point of Jesus' sacrifice, the main point of the bible is that God wants us to spread his knowledge(the bible) and let the entire world know of its' greatness and importance, and he wants them to understand it. Hence my words being-"The Vindication(proclamation) of God's kingdom."

And for those of you who don't know, his kingdom refers to the new Kingdom of which he will build after armageddon, in which he and christ will rule.

I believe we should close this question on the "theme of the bible" now because there are alot more question for us to ask .

OOO, I got a good one indecisiveman can answer this one, if you get it right(completely) i will give you 100 minerals!

Who is Michael?(An angel) And what is his purpose while he is on earth?

Because I'm not the one who is saying God is good and Satan is evil. I know Kirby hates "The Burden of Proof", but this is a necessary place. If cannot even define it, then don't use it as anrguement.


He created Satan, knowing well ahead of time that he would turn evil. Thus, he created Evil. But that's not exactly what I mean.

In order for one side to exist, the opposite side must also exist. To have a good, you must have a bad, otherwise, "good" doesn't exist anymore, because it has nothing to do. So in a way, God created evil like this. (Using the definitions you should be giving me!)

yes Cheeze well done. You won that small debate. To answer your question, Cheeze, God made evil in an attempt to give us free will. I think it was another thread where we discussed that God made us as a test to humans. He wanted us to see how we picked evil over Him. This is why He made evil. I do think we need to define "good" and "evil" and it shouldn't be you. I agree with you for once...Yes He did create Satan with the knowledge Satan would turn on Him. As always it was His plan for evil to exist. MillenniumArmy, that proves my point. What I was trying to say is God made the earth and stuff in "earth" days, and not how some people think a "day" is millions of years or whatever. After the Bible says God made animals, it then says and so it was that the (fourth or fifth I forget) day passes form day into night. Showing us that God made us in Earth days. I must say that calling FireKame a "scientist"(although the term wasn't used directly it was implied...) isn't very nice. She is a Christian, and a darn-well educated one in the Bible and its matters. Now if we can all stop arguing and try and answer people's questions rather than point accusing fingers or reject another's beliefs. As for your question Dark I have alreayd given you another theme. Two if you want to be exact. It is your chocie rather you believe them or not but they are themes regardless if you accept them or not.

Chaos, don't poor water into the dam and then tell someone else to not do it though the dam is yours(you're so silly! )

I never implied firekame is a scientist, and when did a simple post involve you to jump in like that? That quote above is referring to me assuming firekame looks to science for answers, nothing more(which i admitted being wrong about, so shutup.)


I didn't start the argument of good and evil, so why are you directing the argument at me?And im pretty sure..Satan is evil according to the bible . And what the hell does it have to do with kirby hating the burden of proof?

And indecisive you didn't notice my new question,
Who is Michael the Arch Angel, and what is michael's purpose on earth?

P.S. Hmm, is everyone against me now? -

Then simply put, I was not talking to you. If you don't want to answer the question, don't throw the opposite back at me and expect an answer.

Agreed


Sorry for the Spam

Restating my question!
Who is Michael the Arch Angel, and what is, or will be his role/s on earth?